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       CHAPTER LXXIV.
       1. And I saw another course, a law for her, (and) how according
       to that law she performs her monthly revolution. 2. And all
       these Uriel, the holy angel who is the leader of them all,
       showed to me, and
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       their positions, and I wrote down their positions as he showed
       them to me, and I wrote down their months as they were, and the
       appearance of their lights till fifteen days were accomplished.
       3. In single seventh parts she accomplishes all her light in the
       east, and in single seventh parts accomplishes all her darkness
       in the west. 4. And in certain months she alters her settings,
       and in certain months she pursues her own peculiar course.
       5. In two months the moon sets with the sun: in those two middle
       portals the third and the fourth. 6. She goes forth for seven
       days, and turns about and returns again through the portal where
       the sun rises, and accomplishes all her light: and she recedes
       from the sun, and in eight days enters the sixth portal from
       which the sun goes forth.
       7. And when the sun goes forth from the fourth portal she goes
       forth seven days, until she goes forth from the fifth and turns
       back again in seven days into the fourth portal and accomplishes
       all her light: and she recedes and enters into the first portal
       in eight days.
       8. And she returns again in seven days into the fourth portal
       from which the sun goes forth. 9. Thus I saw their position--how
       the moons rose and the sun set in those days.
       10. And if five years are added together the sun has an overplus
       of thirty days, and all the days which accrue to it for one of
       those five years, when they are full, amount to 364 days. 11.
       And the overplus of the sun and of the stars amounts to six
       days: in 5 years 6 days every year come to 30 days: and the moon
       falls behind the sun and stars to the number of 30 days.
       12. And the sun and the stars bring in all the years exactly, so
       that they do not advance or delay their position by a single day
       unto eternity; but complete the years with perfect justice in
       364 days.
       13. In 3 years there are 1092 days, and in 5 years 1820 days, so
       that in 8 years there are 2912 days. 14. For the moon alone the
       days amount in 3 years to 1062 days, and in 5 years she falls 50
       days behind: [i.e. to the sum (of 1770) there is
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       to be added (1000 and) 62 days.] 15. And in 5 years there are
       1770 days, so that for the moon the days in 8 years amount to
       2832 days. 16. [For in 8 years she falls behind to the amount of
       80 days], all the days she falls behind in 8 years are 80.
       17. And the year is accurately completed in conformity with
       their world-stations and the stations of the sun, which rise
       from the portals through which it (the sun) rises and sets 30
       days.
       CHAPTER LXXV.
       1. And the leaders of the heads of the thousands, who are placed
       over the whole creation and over all the stars, have also to do
       with the four intercalary days, being inseparable from their
       office, according to the reckoning of the year, and these render
       service on the four days which are not reckoned in the reckoning
       of the year.
       2. And owing to them men go wrong therein, for those luminaries
       truly render service on the world-stations, one in the first
       portal, one in the third portal of the heaven, one in the fourth
       portal, and one in the sixth portal, and the exactness of the
       year is accomplished through its separate three hundred and
       sixty-four stations.
       3. For the signs and the times and the years and the days the
       angel Uriel showed to me, whom the Lord of glory hath set for
       ever over all the luminaries of the heaven, in the heaven and in
       the world, that they should rule on the face of the heaven and
       be seen on the earth, and be leaders for the day and the night,
       i.e. the sun, moon, and stars, and all the ministering creatures
       which make their revolution in all the chariots of the heaven.
       4. In like manner twelve doors Uriel showed me, open in the
       circumference of the sun's chariot in the heaven, through which
       the rays of the sun break forth: and from them is warmth
       diffused over the earth, when they are opened at their appointed
       seasons.
       5. [And for the winds and the spirit of the dew† when they are
       opened, standing open in the heavens at the ends.] 6. As for the
       twelve portals in the heaven, at the ends of the earth, out of
       which go forth the sun, moon, and stars, and all
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       the works of heaven in the east and in the west. 7. There are
       many windows open to the left and right of them, and one window
       at its (appointed) season produces warmth, corresponding (as
       these do) to those doors from which the stars come forth
       according as He has commanded them, and wherein they set
       corresponding to their number.
       8. And I saw chariots in the heaven, running in the world, above
       those portals in which revolve the stars that never set. 9. And
       one is larger than all the rest, and it is that that makes its
       course through the entire world.
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       LXXVI. The Twelve Windows and their Portals.
       CHAPTER LXXVI.
       1 And at the ends of the earth I saw twelve portals open to all
       the quarters (of the heaven), from which the winds go forth and
       blow over the earth. 2. Three of them are open on the face (i.e.
       the east) of the heavens, and three in the west, and three on
       the right (i.e. the south) of the heaven, and three on the left
       (i.e. the north).
       3. And the three first are those of the east, and three are of
       †the north, and three [after those on the left] of the south†,
       and three of the west. 4. Through four of these come winds of
       blessing and prosperity, and from those eight come hurtful
       winds: when they are sent, they bring destruction on all the
       earth and on the water upon it, and on all who dwell thereon,
       and on everything which is in the water and on the land.
       5. And the first wind from those portals, called the east wind,
       comes forth through the first portal which is in the east,
       inclining towards the south: from it come forth desolation,
       drought, heat, and destruction. 6. And through the second portal
       in the middle comes what is fitting, and from it there come rain
       and fruitfulness and prosperity and dew; and through the third
       portal which lies toward the north come cold and drought.
       7. And after these come forth the south winds through three
       portals: through the first portal of
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       them inclining to the east comes forth a hot wind. 8. And
       through the middle portal next to it there come forth fragrant
       smells, and dew and rain, and prosperity and health. 9. And
       through the third portal lying to the west come forth dew and
       rain, locusts and desolation.
       10. And after these the north winds: from the seventh portal in
       the east come dew and rain, locusts and desolation. 11. And from
       the middle portal come in a direct direction health and rain and
       dew and prosperity; and through the third portal in the west
       come cloud and hoar-frost, and snow and rain, and dew and
       locusts.
       12. And after these [four] are the west winds: through the first
       portal adjoining the north come forth dew and hoar-frost, and
       cold and snow and frost. And from the middle portal come forth
       dew and rain, and prosperity and blessing; and through the last
       portal which adjoins the south come forth drought and
       desolation, and burning and destruction.
       14. And the twelve portals of the four quarters of the heaven
       are therewith completed, and all their laws and all their
       plagues and all their benefactions have I shown to thee, my son
       Methuselah.
       LXXVII. The Four Quarters of the World: the Seven Mountains, the
       Seven Rivers, &c.
       CHAPTER LXXVII.
       1. And the first quarter is called the east, because it is the
       first: and the second, the south, because the Most High will
       descend there, yea, there in quite a special sense will He who
       is blessed for ever descend.
       2. And the west quarter is named the diminished, because there
       all the luminaries of the heaven wane and go down.
       3. And the fourth quarter, named the north, is divided into
       three parts: the first of them is for the dwelling of men: and
       the second contains seas of water, and the abysses and forests
       and rivers, and darkness and clouds; and the third part contains
       the garden of righteousness.
       p. 104
       4. I saw seven high mountains, higher than all the mountains
       which are on the earth: and thence comes forth hoar-frost, and
       days, seasons, and years pass away.
       5. I saw seven rivers on the earth larger than all the rivers:
       one of them coming from the west pours its waters into the Great
       Sea. 6. And these two come from the north to the sea and pour
       their waters into the Erythraean Sea in the east.
       7. And the remaining four come forth on the side of the north to
       their own sea, 〈two of them〉 to the Erythraean
       Sea, and two into the Great Sea and discharge themselves there
       [and some say: into the desert].
       8. Seven great islands I saw in the sea and in the mainland: two
       in the mainland and five in the Great Sea.
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       LXXVIII. The Sun and Moon: the Waxing and Waning of the Moon.
       CHAPTER LXXVII.
       1. And the names of the sun are the following: the first
       Orjârês, and the second Tômâs. 2. And the moon has four names:
       the first name is Asônjâ, the second Eblâ, the third Benâsê, and
       the fourth Erâe.
       3. These are the two great luminaries: their circumference is
       like the circumference of the heaven, and the size of the
       circumference of both is alike. 4. In the circumference of the
       sun there are seven portions of light which are added to it more
       than to the moon, and in definite measures it is s transferred
       till the seventh portion of the sun is exhausted.
       5. And they set and enter the portals of the west, and make
       their revolution by the north, and come forth through the
       eastern portals on the face of the heaven. 6. And when the moon
       rises one-fourteenth part appears in the heaven: ⌈the
       light becomes full in her⌉: on the fourteenth day she
       accomplishes her light.
       7. And fifteen parts of light are transferred to her till the
       fifteenth day (when) her light is accomplished, according to the
       sign of the year, and she becomes fifteen
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       parts, and the moon grows by (the addition of) fourteenth parts.
       8. And in her waning (the moon) decreases on the first day to
       fourteen parts of her light, on the second to thirteen parts of
       light, on the third to twelve, on the fourth to eleven, on the
       fifth to ten, on the sixth to nine, on the seventh to eight, on
       the eighth to seven, on the ninth to six, on the tenth to five,
       on the eleventh to four, on the twelfth to three, on the
       thirteenth to two, on the fourteenth to the half of a seventh,
       and all her remaining light disappears wholly on the fifteenth.
       9. And in certain months the month has twenty-nine days and once
       twenty-eight. 10. And Uriel showed me another law: when light is
       transferred to the moon, and on which side it is transferred to
       her by the sun. 11. During all the period during which the moon
       is growing in her light, she is transferring it to herself when
       opposite to the sun during fourteen days [her light is
       accomplished in the heaven], and when she is illumined
       throughout, her light is accomplished full in the heaven.
       12. And on the first day she is called the new moon, for on that
       day the light rises upon her. 13. She becomes full moon exactly
       on the day when the sun sets in the west, and from the east she
       rises at night, and the moon shines the whole night through till
       the sun rises over against her and the moon is seen over against
       the sun. 1
       4. On the side whence the light of the moon comes forth, there
       again she wanes till all the light vanishes and all the days of
       the month are at an end, and her circumference is empty, void of
       light. 15. And three months she makes of thirty days, and at her
       time she makes three months of twenty-nine days each, in which
       she accomplishes her waning in the first period of time, and in
       the first portal for one hundred and seventy-seven days.
       16. And in the time of her going out she appears for three
       months (of) thirty days each, and for three months she appears
       (of) twenty-nine each. 17. At night she appears like a man for
       twenty days each time, and by day she appears like
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       the heaven, and there is nothing else in her save her light.
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       LXXIX-LXXX. 1. Recapitulation of several of the Laws.
       CHAPTER LXXIX.
       1. And now, my son, I have shown thee everything, and the law of
       all the stars of the heaven is completed. 2. And he showed me
       all the laws of these for every day, and for every season of
       bearing rule, and for every year, and for its going forth, and
       for the order prescribed to it every month and every week:
       3. And the waning of the moon which takes place in the sixth
       portal: for in this sixth portal her light is accomplished, and
       after that there is the beginning of the waning: 4. 〈And
       the waning〉which takes place in the first portal in its
       season, till one hundred and seventy-seven days are
       accomplished: reckoned according to weeks, twenty-five (weeks)
       and two days.
       5. She falls behind the sun and the order of the stars exactly
       five days in the course of one period, and when this place which
       thou seest has been traversed. 6. Such is the picture and sketch
       of every luminary which Uriel the archangel, who is their
       leader, showed unto me.
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       By: patrick jane Date: February 6, 2020, 2:59 am
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       The Book of Enoch, by R.H. Charles, [1917], at sacred-texts.com
       CHAPTER LXXX.
       1. And in those days the angel Uriel answered and said to me:
       'Behold, I have shown thee everything, Enoch, and I have
       revealed everything to thee that thou shouldst see this sun and
       this moon, and the leaders of the stars of the heaven and all
       those who turn them, their tasks and times and departures.
       LXXX. 2-8. Perversion of Nature and the heavenly Bodies owning
       to the Sin of Men.
       2. And in the days of the sinners the years shall be shortened,
       And their seed shall be tardy on their lands and fields,
       And all things on the earth shall alter, p. 107
       And shall not appear in their time:
       And the rain shall be kept back
       And the heaven shall withhold (it).
       3. And in those times the fruits of the earth shall be backward,
       And shall not grow in their time,
       And the fruits of the trees shall be withheld in their time.
       4. And the moon shall alter her order,
       And not appear at her time.
       5. [And in those days the sun shall be seen and he shall journey
       in the evening †on the extremity of the great chariot† in the
       west]
       And shall shine more brightly than accords with the order of
       light.
       6. And many chiefs of the stars shall transgress the order
       (prescribed).
       And these shall alter their orbits and tasks,
       And not appear at the seasons prescribed to them.
       7. And the whole order of the stars shall be concealed from the
       sinners,
       And the thoughts of those on the earth shall err concerning
       them,
       [And they shall be altered from all their ways],
       Yea, they shall err and take them to be gods.
       8. And evil shall be multiplied upon them,
       And punishment shall come upon them So as to destroy all.'
       LXXXI. The Heavenly Tablets and the Mission of Enoch.
       CHAPTER LXXXI.
       1. And he said unto me:
       'Observe, Enoch, these heavenly tablets,
       And read what is written thereon,
       And mark every individual fact.'
       p. 108
       2 And I observed the heavenly tablets, and read everything which
       was written (thereon) and understood everything, and read the
       book of all the deeds of mankind, and of all the children of
       flesh that shall be upon the earth to the remotest generations.
       3. And forthwith I blessed the great Lord the King of glory for
       ever, in that He has made all the works of the world,
       And I extolled the Lord because of His patience,
       And blessed Him because of the children of men.
       4. And after that I said:
       'Blessed is the man who dies in righteousness and goodness,
       Concerning whom there is no book of unrighteousness written,
       And against whom no day of judgement shall be found.'
       5. And those seven holy ones brought me and placed me on the
       earth before the door of my house, and said to me: 'Declare
       everything to thy son Methuselah, and show to all thy children
       that no flesh is righteous in the sight of the Lord, for He is
       their Creator. 6. One year we will leave thee with thy son, till
       thou givest thy (last) commands, that thou mayest teach thy
       children and record (it) for them, and testify to all thy
       children; and in the second year they shall take thee from their
       midst.
       7. Let thy heart be strong,
       For the good shall announce righteousness to the good;
       The righteous with the righteous shall rejoice,
       And shall offer congratulation to one another.
       8. But the sinners shall die with the sinners,
       And the apostate go down with the apostate.
       9. And those who practice righteousness shall die on account of
       the deeds of men,
       And be taken away on account of the doings of the godless.'
       p. 109
       10. And in those days they ceased to speak to me, and I came to
       my people, blessing the Lord of the world.
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       Re: Enoch and the Flat Earth, Fallen Angels and Nephilim
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       LXXXII. Charge given to Enoch: the four Intercalary Days: the
       Stars which lead the Seasons and the Months.
       CHAPTER LXXXII.
       1. And now, my son Methuselah, all these things I am recounting
       to thee and writing down for thee, and I have revealed to thee
       everything, and given thee books concerning all these: so
       preserve, my son Methuselah, the books from thy father's hand,
       and (see) that thou deliver them to the generations of the
       world.
       2. I have given Wisdom to thee and to thy children,
       [And thy children that shall be to thee],
       That they may give it to their children for generations,
       This wisdom (namely) that passeth their thought.
       3. And those who understand it shall not sleep,
       But shall listen with the ear that they may learn this wisdom,
       And it shall please those that eat thereof better than good
       food.
       4. Blessed are all the righteous, blessed are all those who walk
       in the way of righteousness and sin not as the sinners, in the
       reckoning of all their days in which the sun traverses the
       heaven, entering into and departing from the portals for thirty
       days with the heads of thousands of the order of the stars,
       together with the four which are intercalated which divide the
       four portions of the year, which lead them and enter with them
       four days.
       5. Owing to them men shall be at fault and not reckon them in
       the whole reckoning of the year: yea, men shall be at fault, and
       not recognize them accurately. 6. For they belong to the
       reckoning of the year and are truly recorded (thereon) for ever,
       one in the first portal and one in the third, and
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       one in the fourth and one in the sixth, and the year is
       completed in three hundred and sixty-four days.
       7. And the account thereof is accurate and the recorded
       reckoning thereof exact; for the luminaries, and months and
       festivals, and years and days, has Uriel shown and revealed to
       me, to whom the Lord of the whole creation of the world hath
       subjected the host of heaven.
       8. And he has power over night and day in the heaven to cause
       the light to give light to men--sun, moon, and stars, and all
       the powers of the heaven which revolve in their circular
       chariots.
       9. And these are the orders of the stars, which set in their
       places, and in their seasons and festivals and months.
       10. And these are the names of those who lead them, who watch
       that they enter at their times, in their orders, in their
       seasons, in their months, in their periods of dominion, and in
       their positions.
       11. Their four leaders who divide the four parts of the year
       enter first; and after them the twelve leaders of the orders who
       divide the months; and for the three hundred and sixty (days)
       there are heads over thousands who divide the days; and for the
       four intercalary days there are the leaders which sunder the
       four parts of the year.
       12. And these heads over thousands are intercalated between
       leader and leader, each behind a station, but their leaders make
       the division. And these are the names of the leaders who divide
       the four parts of the year which are ordained: Mîlkî’êl,
       Hel’emmêlêk, and Mêl’êjal, and Nârêl.
       13. And the names of those who lead them: Adnâr’êl, and
       Îjâsûsa’êl, and ’Elômê’êl--these three follow the leaders of the
       orders, and there is one that follows the three leaders of the
       orders which follow those leaders of stations that divide the
       four parts of the year.
       15. In the beginning of the year Melkejâl rises first and rules,
       who is named †Tam’âinî† and sun, and all the days of his
       dominion whilst he bears rule are ninety-one days. 16. And these
       are the signs of the days which are to be seen on earth in the
       days of
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       his dominion: sweat, and heat, and calms; and all the trees bear
       fruit, and leaves are produced on all the trees, and the harvest
       of wheat, and the rose-flowers, and all the flowers which come
       forth in the field, but the trees of the winter season become
       withered.
       17. And these are the names of the leaders which are under them:
       Berka’êl, Zêlebs’êl, and another who is added a head of a
       thousand, called Hîlûjâsĕph: and the days of the dominion
       of this (leader) are at an end.
       18. The next leader after him is Hêl’emmêlêk, whom one names the
       shining sun, and all the days of his light are ninety-one days.
       19. And these are the signs of (his) days on the earth: glowing
       heat and dryness, and the trees ripen their fruits and produce
       all their fruits ripe and ready, and the sheep pair and become
       pregnant, and all the fruits of the earth are gathered in, and
       everything that is in the fields, and the winepress: these
       things take place in the days of his dominion.
       20. These are the names, and the orders, and the leaders of
       those heads of thousands: Gîdâ’îjal, Kê’êl, and Hê’êl, and the
       name of the head of a thousand which is added to them, Asfâ’êl’:
       and the days of his dominion are at an end.
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       The Book of Enoch, written during the second century B.C.E., is
       one of the most important non-canonical apocryphal works, and
       probably had a huge influence on early Christian, particularly
       Gnostic, beliefs. Filled with hallucinatory visions of heaven
       and hell, angels and devils, Enoch introduced concepts such as
       fallen angels, the appearance of a Messiah, Resurrection, a
       Final Judgement, and a Heavenly Kingdom on Earth. Interspersed
       with this material are quasi-scientific digressions on
       calendrical systems, geography, cosmology, astronomy, and
       meteorology.
       This etext has been prepared specially for sacred-texts, and is
       a great improvement over other versions on the Internet, with
       the introduction, correct verse numbering, page numbers from the
       1917 edition, and intact critical apparatus.
       Title Page
       Editors' Preface
       Introduction
       Abbreviations, Brackets and Symbols Specially Used in the
       Translation of 1 Enoch
       The Book of Enoch
       Chapter I
       Chapter II
       Chapter III.
       Chapter IV.
       Chapter V.
       Chapter VI.
       Chapter VII
       Chapter VIII.
       Chapter IX
       Chapter X
       Chapter XI
       Chapter XII
       Chapter XIII
       Chapter XIV
       Chapter XV
       Chapter XVI
       Enoch's Journeys through the Earth and Sheol
       Chapter XVII
       Chapter XVIII
       Chapter XIX
       Chapter XX
       Chapter XXI
       Chapter XXII
       Chapter XXIII
       Chapter XXIV
       Chapter XXV
       Chapter XXVI
       Chapter XXVII
       Chapter XXVIII
       Chapter XXIX
       Chapter XXX
       Chapter XXXI
       Chapter XXXII
       Chapter XXXIII
       Chapter XXXIV
       Chapter XXXV
       Chapter XXXVI
       The Parables
       Chapter XXXVII
       The First Parable
       Chapter XXXVIII
       Chapter XXXIX
       Chapter XL
       Chapter XLI
       Chapter XLII
       Chapter XLIII
       Chapter XLIV
       The Second Parable
       Chapter XLV
       Chapter XLVI
       Chapter XLVII
       Chapter XLVIII
       Chapter XLIX
       Chapter L
       Chapter LI
       Chapter LII
       Chapter LIII
       Chapter LIV
       Chapter LIV
       Chapter LVI
       Chapter LVII
       The Third Parable
       Chapter LVIII.
       Chapter LIX
       Book of Noah--a Fragment
       Chapter LX
       Chapter LXI
       Chapter LXII
       Chapter LXIII
       Chapter LXIV
       Chapter LXV
       Chapter LXVI
       Chapter LXVII
       Chapter LXVIII
       Chapter LXIX
       
       Chapter LXX
       Chapter LXXI
       The Book of the Courses of the Heavenly Luminaries
       Chapter LXXII.
       Chapter LXXIII
       Chapter LXXIV
       Chapter LXXV
       Chapter LXXVI
       Chapter LXXVII
       Chapter LXXVIII
       Chapter LXXIX
       Chapter LXXX
       Chapter LXXI
       Chapter LXXXII
       The Dream-Vision
       Chapter LXXXIII
       Chapter LXXXIV
       Chapter LXXXV
       Chapter LXXXVI
       Chapter LXXXVII
       Chapter LXXXVIII
       Chapter LXXXIX
       Chapter XC
       The Concluding Section of the Book
       Chapter XCII
       Chapter XCI
       Chapter XCIII
       Chapter XCI
       Chapter XCIV
       Chapter XCV
       Chapter XCVI
       Chapter XCVII
       Chapter XCVIII
       Chapter XCIX
       Chapter C
       Chapter CI
       Chapter CII.
       Chapter CIII
       Chapter CIV
       Chapter CV
       Fragment of the Book of Noah
       Chapter CVI
       Chapter CVII
       An Appendix to the Book of Enoch
       Chapter CVIII
       This concludes the Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Firmament
       Thread. I may post a few more to fill this last page.
       I wanted to end on Enoch because the scriptures are so revealing
       and the fact they are largely kept from Bible readers for
       thousands of years. The Holy Bible supports the evidence of a
       flat motionless earth and the evidence supports the Bible.
       God describes the earth and cosmos, the stars, sun and moon, the
       seas and rivers and God speaks very clearly and precisely. The
       scriptures proving the flat motionless earth are many and the
       science and the P900 & P1000 Nikon cameras agree.
       The tests and the experiments show flat and motionless. Face it,
       the globe only exists in our minds. We have never seen the real
       earth from space and nobody ever will for the time being. They
       are images and all man made.!!!
       I stopped trying to convince people of flat earth a few months
       ago and I'll let this thread and the facts speak for themselves.
       No matter how much you think or want this to be a globe it just
       isn't. Imagine the earth as something flat and motionless and
       literally everything starts making sense.
       God bless us all !!!
       Addendum : For more Enoch and the earth and cosmos
       The Book of Enoch
       tr. by R.H. Charles
       [1917]
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       Enoch's Journeys through the Earth and Sheol
       Chapter XVII
       Chapter XVIII
       Chapter XIX
       Chapter XX
       Chapter XXI
       Chapter XXII
       Chapter XXIII
       Chapter XXIV
       Chapter XXV
       Chapter XXVI
       Chapter XXVII
       Chapter XXVIII
       Chapter XXIX
       Chapter XXX
       Chapter XXXI
       Chapter XXXII
       Chapter XXXIII
       Chapter XXXIV
       Chapter XXXV
       Chapter XXXVI
       #Post#: 10114--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Enoch and the Flat Earth, Fallen Angels and Nephilim
       By: guest8 Date: February 6, 2020, 8:47 pm
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       [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=142.msg10105#msg10105
       date=1580979759]
       [center]The Book of Enoch
       tr. by R.H. Charles
       [1917]
       [/center]
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       The Book of Enoch, written during the second century B.C.E., is
       one of the most important non-canonical apocryphal works, and
       probably had a huge influence on early Christian, particularly
       Gnostic, beliefs. Filled with hallucinatory visions of heaven
       and hell, angels and devils, Enoch introduced concepts such as
       fallen angels, the appearance of a Messiah, Resurrection, a
       Final Judgement, and a Heavenly Kingdom on Earth. Interspersed
       with this material are quasi-scientific digressions on
       calendrical systems, geography, cosmology, astronomy, and
       meteorology.
       This etext has been prepared specially for sacred-texts, and is
       a great improvement over other versions on the Internet, with
       the introduction, correct verse numbering, page numbers from the
       1917 edition, and intact critical apparatus.
       Title Page
       Editors' Preface
       Introduction
       Abbreviations, Brackets and Symbols Specially Used in the
       Translation of 1 Enoch
       The Book of Enoch
       Chapter I
       Chapter II
       Chapter III.
       Chapter IV.
       Chapter V.
       Chapter VI.
       Chapter VII
       Chapter VIII.
       Chapter IX
       Chapter X
       Chapter XI
       Chapter XII
       Chapter XIII
       Chapter XIV
       Chapter XV
       Chapter XVI
       Enoch's Journeys through the Earth and Sheol
       Chapter XVII
       Chapter XVIII
       Chapter XIX
       Chapter XX
       Chapter XXI
       Chapter XXII
       Chapter XXIII
       Chapter XXIV
       Chapter XXV
       Chapter XXVI
       Chapter XXVII
       Chapter XXVIII
       Chapter XXIX
       Chapter XXX
       Chapter XXXI
       Chapter XXXII
       Chapter XXXIII
       Chapter XXXIV
       Chapter XXXV
       Chapter XXXVI
       The Parables
       Chapter XXXVII
       The First Parable
       Chapter XXXVIII
       Chapter XXXIX
       Chapter XL
       Chapter XLI
       Chapter XLII
       Chapter XLIII
       Chapter XLIV
       The Second Parable
       Chapter XLV
       Chapter XLVI
       Chapter XLVII
       Chapter XLVIII
       Chapter XLIX
       Chapter L
       Chapter LI
       Chapter LII
       Chapter LIII
       Chapter LIV
       Chapter LIV
       Chapter LVI
       Chapter LVII
       The Third Parable
       Chapter LVIII.
       Chapter LIX
       Book of Noah--a Fragment
       Chapter LX
       Chapter LXI
       Chapter LXII
       Chapter LXIII
       Chapter LXIV
       Chapter LXV
       Chapter LXVI
       Chapter LXVII
       Chapter LXVIII
       Chapter LXIX
       
       Chapter LXX
       Chapter LXXI
       The Book of the Courses of the Heavenly Luminaries
       Chapter LXXII.
       Chapter LXXIII
       Chapter LXXIV
       Chapter LXXV
       Chapter LXXVI
       Chapter LXXVII
       Chapter LXXVIII
       Chapter LXXIX
       Chapter LXXX
       Chapter LXXI
       Chapter LXXXII
       The Dream-Vision
       Chapter LXXXIII
       Chapter LXXXIV
       Chapter LXXXV
       Chapter LXXXVI
       Chapter LXXXVII
       Chapter LXXXVIII
       Chapter LXXXIX
       Chapter XC
       The Concluding Section of the Book
       Chapter XCII
       Chapter XCI
       Chapter XCIII
       Chapter XCI
       Chapter XCIV
       Chapter XCV
       Chapter XCVI
       Chapter XCVII
       Chapter XCVIII
       Chapter XCIX
       Chapter C
       Chapter CI
       Chapter CII.
       Chapter CIII
       Chapter CIV
       Chapter CV
       Fragment of the Book of Noah
       Chapter CVI
       Chapter CVII
       An Appendix to the Book of Enoch
       Chapter CVIII
       This concludes the Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Firmament
       Thread. I may post a few more to fill this last page.
       I wanted to end on Enoch because the scriptures are so revealing
       and the fact they are largely kept from Bible readers for
       thousands of years. The Holy Bible supports the evidence of a
       flat motionless earth and the evidence supports the Bible.
       God describes the earth and cosmos, the stars, sun and moon, the
       seas and rivers and God speaks very clearly and precisely. The
       scriptures proving the flat motionless earth are many and the
       science and the P900 & P1000 Nikon cameras agree.
       The tests and the experiments show flat and motionless. Face it,
       the globe only exists in our minds. We have never seen the real
       earth from space and nobody ever will for the time being. They
       are images and all man made.!!!
       I stopped trying to convince people of flat earth a few months
       ago and I'll let this thread and the facts speak for themselves.
       No matter how much you think or want this to be a globe it just
       isn't. Imagine the earth as something flat and motionless and
       literally everything starts making sense.
       God bless us all !!!
       Addendum : For more Enoch and the earth and cosmos
       The Book of Enoch
       tr. by R.H. Charles
       [1917]
  HTML https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm
       Enoch's Journeys through the Earth and Sheol
       Chapter XVII
       Chapter XVIII
       Chapter XIX
       Chapter XX
       Chapter XXI
       Chapter XXII
       Chapter XXIII
       Chapter XXIV
       Chapter XXV
       Chapter XXVI
       Chapter XXVII
       Chapter XXVIII
       Chapter XXIX
       Chapter XXX
       Chapter XXXI
       Chapter XXXII
       Chapter XXXIII
       Chapter XXXIV
       Chapter XXXV
       Chapter XXXVI
       [/quote]
       a good reference book
       #Post#: 13226--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Enoch and Flat Earth
       By: patrick jane Date: May 22, 2020, 8:46 am
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       Doors That Should NEVER Be Opened In The SPIRIT REALM - (The
       Ancient Portals)
       14 minutes
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       #Post#: 14179--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Enoch and Flat Earth
       By: patrick jane Date: June 12, 2020, 10:26 am
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       The Truth About Angels and Demons Is Staring Us in the Face
       Michael Heiser’s books cut through the myths and legends
       surrounding these supernatural beings.
       M. Night Shyamalan’s film The Sixth Sense catapulted the
       director to overnight stardom. Most people who saw the film will
       never forget the shock they felt when the trick ending was
       revealed and they were forced to reassess the meaning of each
       and every scene they had just witnessed. In the flash of an eye,
       it became a very different movie, far richer and far stranger
       than they had first imagined.
       If I may leap from the secular to the sacred, from pop culture
       to inspired Scripture, I suppose the two travelers on the road
       to Emmaus must have felt the same way when Jesus opened up the
       Old Testament to them (Luke 24:27). So, they must have thought
       to themselves, that’s what Moses really meant—and David and
       Isaiah and Ezekiel and Daniel! How could we have missed it when
       the truth was staring us in the face all these years?
       It is as if the viewers of the film and the travelers to Emmaus
       were trying to put together a thousand-piece puzzle without
       having been shown a picture of what the finished puzzle looks
       like. Only when the director of the film, or the gospel,
       revealed that picture were they able to use it as a key for
       assembling the pieces into a coherent image and narrative. I
       felt something of that sense of revelation when I happened upon
       Michael Heiser’s book The Unseen Realm: Recovering the
       Supernatural Worldview of the Bible, first published in 2015.
       Heiser, who holds a PhD in Hebrew Bible and Semitic languages
       and is the executive director of the School of Theology at
       Celebration Church in Jacksonville, Florida, has devoted his
       career to expanding the horizons of Bible-believing Christians
       who have never known what to make of Scripture’s frequent
       references to “gods” and “sons of God.” Using Psalm 82 as his
       starting point, Heiser argues that God chose to work through a
       divine council of supernatural beings whom he created and over
       whom he holds full sovereignty. He intended for his council to
       also include human representatives who would meet at Eden,
       itself a nexus point between heaven and earth.
       But man, tempted by a rebellious member of the council, sinned
       and lost Eden. Things devolved further when a series of
       supernatural beings assumed bodies and mated with human women to
       produce a race of giants, the Nephilim (Gen. 6:1–4). The evil of
       this race furthered the wickedness of men and led to the Flood,
       but even that event did not put an end to human and divine
       wickedness. The campaign to build the Tower of Babel showed that
       evil and rebellion were still rampant among men and gods alike.
       As a result of that rebellion, God portioned the land and turned
       over those portions to the control of supernatural members of
       his council (Deut. 32:8–9), leaving Israel for himself as a
       remaining plot of holy land to be inhabited by the descendants
       of Abraham, whom he called for that purpose. But the
       supernatural guardians of those portions turned, one by one, to
       evil, causing God to judge and curse them, as recorded in Psalm
       82. Worse yet, the descendants of Abraham turned to evil and
       began to worship the rebellious gods of the other nations,
       causing God to exile them to Babylon, the very land where the
       Tower of Babel had been built.
       Angelic Ministry
       Since the publication of The Unseen Realm, Heiser has continued
       to flesh out the supernatural worldview of the Bible with two
       recent books on the nature, origin, and functions of angels and
       demons. Cutting through the myths and legends that have
       surrounded these divine beings, Heiser allows us to see them
       through the eyes of the writers of the Old and New Testament as
       well as the Jewish and Greek writers who lived in the
       intertestamental period.
       Although Heiser presents his case and offers his conclusions in
       an accessible manner, his points are backed up by a mountain of
       textual, historical, anthropological, and linguistic research.
       Indeed, one of Heiser’s great strengths is taking findings from
       esoteric, highly academic papers and helping ordinary,
       non-specialist readers understand their relevance for
       interpreting the Bible and seeing the overall shape of God’s
       work in human history.
       In his 2018 book Angels: What the Bible Really Says About God’s
       Heavenly Host, Heiser explains that message-bearing (what the
       word angel means in Greek) marks only one of the many functions
       performed by the supernatural, non-physical beings that God
       created. Angels also act as ministers of God’s will, watchers
       who are ever vigilant, soldiers in God’s heavenly host (or
       army), interpreters to men of God’s messages, protectors of
       God’s holiness, executors of God’s divine judgment, and members
       of God’s council who participate in and bear witness to God’s
       sovereign decisions and decrees.
       Heiser presents a dynamic picture of God holding session with
       his divine council, but he also lays down biblical limits for
       angelic authority and advice. One of the best examples in
       Scripture of God convening his council is 1 Kings 22:19–23, when
       he asks how the wicked king Ahab might be defeated. After
       performing a close analysis on the passage, Heiser concludes
       that the “text presents us with a clear instance where God has
       sovereignly decided to act but allows his lesser, intelligent
       servants to participate in how his decision is carried out. God
       wasn’t searching for ideas, as though he couldn’t conceive of a
       plan. He allowed those who serve him the latitude to propose
       options.”
       In his overview of the study of angels between the period of
       Exile and the ministry of Christ, Heiser marshals his prodigious
       research to dispel two popular myths. First, he demonstrates
       that Second Temple Jewish writers, including the translators of
       the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament) and the Qumran
       community that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, did not eliminate the
       language of angels as sons of god out of a fear of promoting
       polytheism. Their writing shows quite the opposite: a clear
       understanding that Yahweh is the only God but that he is
       surrounded by a divine council of supernatural beings who are
       often called gods. Second, he shows that the Dead Sea Scrolls do
       not embody a dualistic vision of good and evil as equal and
       opposite forces, but of angelic warfare between beings created
       by the omnipotent and always-benevolent Yahweh.
       Whereas the Old Testament speaks of the angel of the Lord
       carrying out the judgment of God, the New Testament, written
       after God became man, no longer mentions the Angel of the
       Lord—because judgment has been “entrusted” to Christ (John
       5:22). Angels are described as exacting God’s vengeance in the
       apocalyptic book of Revelation, but in the rest of the New
       Testament, they are usually seen as ministering to believers.
       Some have argued that Christ’s death on the cross redeemed
       fallen angels as well as fallen human beings, Heiser refutes
       this theory, making it clear that “the sacrifice of Jesus does
       not help angels. It helps believers—the children of Abraham by
       faith.”
       Demonic Rebellion
       In his most recent book, Demons: What the Bible Really Says
       About the Powers of Darkness, Heiser takes up the story of those
       fallen angels whom even the death of Christ could not redeem.
       The book dispels the myth, popularized in John Milton’s classic
       poem Paradise Lost, of a single rebellion against God led by
       Satan before the world was created, a myth that has little
       actual scriptural support. Instead, Heiser defines demons, or
       evil spirits, as “members of God’s heavenly host who have chosen
       to rebel against his will.” Rather than taking place once, as it
       does in Paradise Lost, this rebellion (as noted earlier in this
       review) took different forms at different times: the serpent in
       Eden, the sons of God who slept with the daughters of men, and
       the disobedient sons of god Yahweh put in charge of the nations
       after the Tower of Babel.
       Still, despite their rebellion, the evil spirits continued to be
       spirits living in a spiritual realm. As Heiser observes, “Their
       rebellion did not mean they were no longer part of that world or
       that they became something other than what they were. They are
       still spiritual beings. Rather, rebellion affected (and still
       characterizes) their disposition toward, and relationship to,
       Yahweh.” As for the demons described in the Old Testament,
       Heiser explains that some are “associated with the realm of the
       dead and its inhabitants,” some are linked to specific
       geographical locations opposed to God’s rule, and some are
       “preternatural creatures associated with idolatry and unholy
       ground.”
       Regarding the third kind, Heiser notes that, while in theory any
       ground “not occupied by the presence of God” could be considered
       unholy, all places outside Jerusalem were not therefore places
       of spiritual danger. Nevertheless, Heiser writes, “forbidding,
       uninhabitable places in lands associated with other gods were
       unholy in the sense of sinister and evil. This was especially
       true of the desert wilderness, whether literal or used
       metaphorically to describe places ravaged by divine judgment.”
       It was into that wilderness that the scapegoat was sent on the
       Day of Atonement (Lev. 16), a wilderness quite literally viewed
       as a locus of “a cosmic struggle involving the spiritual world.”
       Many modern readers, even if they believe in biblical inerrancy,
       will find these themes unsettling, but they are attested to in
       the Old Testament, carried forward into the Second Temple period
       after Israel’s exile, and glimpsed in the exorcisms performed by
       Jesus in the New Testament.
       What Heiser has to say about Satan will be familiar to many, but
       perhaps not his argument that the demons who seek to tempt,
       subvert, and possess human beings were believed to have their
       origin in the hybrid Nephilim that were born to the sons of god
       and daughters of men. When those Nephilim died, Heiser claims,
       their disembodied spirits became demons. Another unfamiliar
       theme concerns the origin of the cosmic, political-territorial
       spiritual warfare we discover in the Bible. Heiser says it began
       not in a primeval rebellion by Satan and his minions, but
       instead when “the sons of god [to whom God had apportioned the
       nations] transgressed Yahweh’s desire for earthly order and just
       rule of his human imagers, sowing chaos in the nations.”
       But we need not fear, Heiser assures us; after Christ defeated
       the power of Satan, he opened the way to a reclamation of the
       demon-controlled nations. This reclamation took place at
       Pentecost (Acts 2), when the gospel was carried to all those
       lands previously ruled by the rebellious sons of god. Good
       Friday, Easter, and Pentecost together healed the division begun
       by Babel, making it possible for the Gentiles to free themselves
       from false gods and embrace Jesus as Lord.
       Breaking Down the Darkness
       Though many readers might trip over the technical aspects of
       Angels and Demons, with their lengthy charts and heavy emphasis
       on the parsing of Hebrew and Greek terms, Heiser keeps things
       moving and skillfully sums up his main points. I do wish,
       however, that he had been more sympathetic to modern
       spiritual-warfare advocates who share Heiser’s concept of cosmic
       strife that includes a strong territorial element. Though I
       agree with Heiser that the fallen sons of god were disinherited
       by the Cross, the Resurrection, and the spreading of the gospel,
       it’s hard to deny that certain areas of the globe remain
       immersed in spiritual darkness.
       Spiritual-warfare advocates have located just such an area in a
       rectangle that stretches from the 10th to the 40th latitude
       north of the equator. This “10/40 window,” as missions
       strategists sometimes call it, encompasses North Africa, the
       Middle East, China, Pakistan, and India. Given that the vast
       majority of unreached people groups live in this window and that
       persecution of the church is strongest there, it does not seem
       unreasonable to suggest that a territorial reign of evil (or
       stronghold) exists in that area of the globe, and that intense
       prayer on the part of believers may help break down demonic
       communication.
       I believe Heiser’s books can inspire that needed movement of
       prayer just as they have illuminated the full meaning and extent
       of spiritual warfare in the pages of God’s Word.
       Louis Markos is professor in English and scholar in residence at
       Houston Baptist University and holds the Robert H. Ray Chair in
       Humanities. His books include Heaven and Hell: Visions of the
       Afterlife in the Western Poetic Tradition (Cascade Books).
       #Post#: 15720--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Enoch and Flat Earth
       By: patrick jane Date: July 30, 2020, 11:51 pm
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       Read Enoch
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