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THE CHOSEN - WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH
By: patrick jane Date: July 15, 2021, 9:45 am
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Why We Love ‘The Chosen’ So Much
The show isn’t just about the transformation of the disciples,
it’s about our spiritual transformation, too.
The Chosen, a multiseason look at the life of Christ through the
eyes of his disciples, has garnered more than 50 million fans in
180 countries with its engaging and affecting storytelling,
according to producers. Even viewers initially skeptical that
anything good could come out of the Nazareth of Christian
entertainment have found themselves hooked by The Chosen’s
imaginative scripts and high production value.
Director Dallas Jenkins has raised the bar for the quality of
religious-themed entertainment. The show has broken crowdfunding
records, raking in $10 million in donations for the first season
and attracting $12 million in donations from 125,000 people for
the second season, which wrapped up with the season finale on
July 11.
But it’s not merely higher-quality filming techniques or the
relatability of actor Jonathan Roumie’s portrayal of Jesus that
accounts for The Chosen’s power. It comes from its convincing
portrayal of each disciple’s transformation of desire.
Characters who have small hopes at the beginning of the show
evolve into people who want great things. As we watch the
disciples change, we are drawn into the mystery of their
transformation in Christ.
The French historian and philosopher René Girard experienced a
profound Christian conversion when he realized that the greatest
novels in history—like Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov, or
Cervantes’s Don Quixote—emerged out of a conversion experience
that pierced the author’s vanity and pride. This experience
allowed them to create deeply complex characters truer to life.
From his deep study of history, human behavior, and great
literature, Girard observed that we learn to desire by
imitation, through a process he called mimesis (which comes from
the Greek, meaning “to imitate”). We come to want the things
that are modeled to us as desirable and valuable. Girard was not
referring primarily to our basic needs—food, shelter, safety—but
to the kind of metaphysical desires that people develop to be a
certain kind of person.
Girard thought of this as an inherently good thing—a form of
radical openness and receptiveness to others—but one fraught
with obvious dangers. All of us are more susceptible to
manipulation of our desires than we fully understand. We are
also in danger of frittering our lives away chasing “thin”
mimetic desires that don’t ultimately satisfy, as opposed to the
“thick” desires implanted by God that bring happiness and
fulfillment.
Christian conversion involves the reordering of a person’s
desires through a continual encounter with Christ. The model of
divine love that Christ reveals begins to permeate a person’s
entire life. Old desires give way to new ones. This reordering
of desires—as demonstrated by a divine model—is impossible if a
person’s only models of desire are of the world. People consumed
by worldly models are condemned to remain stuck in a hamster
wheel of sorts—never able to break loose from the tyranny of the
age. Only one model in human history had the power to desire
differently: Christ, whose greatest desire is to do the will of
his Father, shows us the way out.
When Jesus says in the Gospels, “Follow me,” he is not talking
about a physical following only, but a following of desire. In
other words: “Don’t just go where I go or adopt my habits of
speech and dress but want what I want.” What he wants is each
person’s salvation. When he interacts with Mary Magdalene and
Peter, or any of the other disciples whom he calls, Jesus
clearly desires them to be fully alive, free to love
wholeheartedly.
To imitate Christ’s desires is to re-order our own—to pattern
them on his, where there is a hierarchy. When the Pharisees ask
Jesus which is the greatest commandment, he answers clearly:
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your
soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest
commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as
yourself.’” In other words: learn to desire these two things
above all, and the rest of your desires will fall into place.
When Paul writes, “Imitate me as I imitate Christ” (1 Cor 11:1),
he is also referring to the imitation of desire. When he writes,
“Do not conform to the pattern of this world but be transformed
by the renewing of your mind” (Rom. 12:2), he is talking about
the same thing: This world has no models that are worth
patterning your life after. If you wish to be saved from this
world of sin and death, you need an otherworldly model, and you
must find it in Christ, who is able to transform you within
through grace.
We become like the things we imitate. And that’s why Christ not
only saves us—he also transforms us.
In the imaginative telling of the “backstory” of the first
disciples, The Chosen shows the profound tension between worldly
and transcendent desires. The ancient Roman world had shaped the
disciples’ desires in certain ways, just as the modern world
shapes ours. As Jesus becomes their new and primary model of
desire, their thin desires begin to fade away in favor of the
transcendent purpose he models.
Three minutes into the first episode of season 1, we meet Mary
Magdalene in a time where she is unable to imagine an existence
for herself outside of the reality of demonic possession with
brief periods of lucidity. What does she desire? Anything that
will for a moment relieve her intense suffering: alcohol, even
death. After Jesus calls her by name, however, we see Mary
gradually come to want other things: to live the Sabbath
properly, to be generous and serve others, to learn the
Scriptures. She says of herself, “I was one way and now I am
completely different. And the thing that happened in between was
him.” Jesus has become her new model, and she has begun to want
for herself what he wants.
We see Peter’s desires change before our eyes in a similar
fashion. What does Peter want when we first meet him? The things
his culture has modeled: the overthrow of Roman oppression, the
relief of his tax burden, to be a successful fisherman. He’s
closed to anything else. When his brother Andrew tries to
interest him in Jesus, Peter is initially dismissive, but his
encounter with Jesus on the Sea of Galilee changes everything.
He has a new model placed before him, and thus the trappings of
his old life—his thin desires—start to have less hold on him.
In episode 5, Peter tells his wife, Eden, how excited he is to
go where Christ goes and learn from him. Like a child, he
exclaims, “He said I wouldn’t be a fisherman anymore but would
catch men! I don’t even know what that means, but … I want to
quit fishing and leave the sea behind.”
These are but two moments. The show (so far) does an excellent
job of illustrating the gradual changes that happen as the
disciples begin to desire differently after they choose to
follow Christ.
Yet to be shown in the series is the ominous ending we all know
is coming: the Passion. The Passion is the ultimate moment of
hope for a Christian because it is the moment when death is
conquered and the doors to a new way of living and loving are
opened to us. Taking hold of that new possibility is only
possible for the disciples though—as it is for us—after a period
of divine preparation in which our desires are transformed
enough to see the love of God that was poured out on the cross.
Yes, Peter will betray Christ; he will even try to get Christ to
imitate his own desires (which earns him the strongest rebuke in
the Gospels when Jesus says, “Get behind me, Satan!”). But the
transformation will have been sufficient to bring Peter and the
rest of the disciples (except Judas) to repentance. They finally
desire to live the rest of their lives in service to a higher
truth—to the point that nearly all of them will go willingly to
their deaths in imitation of Christ, when their transformation
was at last complete.
The Chosen, a multiseason look at the life of Christ through the
eyes of his disciples, has garnered more than 50 million fans in
180 countries with its engaging and affecting storytelling,
according to producers. Even viewers initially skeptical that
anything good could come out of the Nazareth of Christian
entertainment have found themselves hooked by The Chosen’s
imaginative scripts and high production value.
Director Dallas Jenkins has raised the bar for the quality of
religious-themed entertainment. The show has broken crowdfunding
records, raking in $10 million in donations for the first season
and attracting $12 million in donations from 125,000 people for
the second season, which wrapped up with the season finale on
July 11.
But it’s not merely higher-quality filming techniques or the
relatability of actor Jonathan Roumie’s portrayal of Jesus that
accounts for The Chosen’s power. It comes from its convincing
portrayal of each disciple’s transformation of desire.
Characters who have small hopes at the beginning of the show
evolve into people who want great things. As we watch the
disciples change, we are drawn into the mystery of their
transformation in Christ.
The French historian and philosopher René Girard experienced a
profound Christian conversion when he realized that the greatest
novels in history—like Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov, or
Cervantes’s Don Quixote—emerged out of a conversion experience
that pierced the author’s vanity and pride. This experience
allowed them to create deeply complex characters truer to life.
From his deep study of history, human behavior, and great
literature, Girard observed that we learn to desire by
imitation, through a process he called mimesis (which comes from
the Greek, meaning “to imitate”). We come to want the things
that are modeled to us as desirable and valuable. Girard was not
referring primarily to our basic needs—food, shelter, safety—but
to the kind of metaphysical desires that people develop to be a
certain kind of person.
Girard thought of this as an inherently good thing—a form of
radical openness and receptiveness to others—but one fraught
with obvious dangers. All of us are more susceptible to
manipulation of our desires than we fully understand. We are
also in danger of frittering our lives away chasing “thin”
mimetic desires that don’t ultimately satisfy, as opposed to the
“thick” desires implanted by God that bring happiness and
fulfillment.
Christian conversion involves the reordering of a person’s
desires through a continual encounter with Christ. The model of
divine love that Christ reveals begins to permeate a person’s
entire life. Old desires give way to new ones. This reordering
of desires—as demonstrated by a divine model—is impossible if a
person’s only models of desire are of the world. People consumed
by worldly models are condemned to remain stuck in a hamster
wheel of sorts—never able to break loose from the tyranny of the
age. Only one model in human history had the power to desire
differently: Christ, whose greatest desire is to do the will of
his Father, shows us the way out.
When Jesus says in the Gospels, “Follow me,” he is not talking
about a physical following only, but a following of desire. In
other words: “Don’t just go where I go or adopt my habits of
speech and dress but want what I want.” What he wants is each
person’s salvation. When he interacts with Mary Magdalene and
Peter, or any of the other disciples whom he calls, Jesus
clearly desires them to be fully alive, free to love
wholeheartedly.
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To imitate Christ’s desires is to re-order our own—to pattern
them on his, where there is a hierarchy. When the Pharisees ask
Jesus which is the greatest commandment, he answers clearly:
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your
soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest
commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as
yourself.’” In other words: learn to desire these two things
above all, and the rest of your desires will fall into place.
When Paul writes, “Imitate me as I imitate Christ” (1 Cor 11:1),
he is also referring to the imitation of desire. When he writes,
“Do not conform to the pattern of this world but be transformed
by the renewing of your mind” (Rom. 12:2), he is talking about
the same thing: This world has no models that are worth
patterning your life after. If you wish to be saved from this
world of sin and death, you need an otherworldly model, and you
must find it in Christ, who is able to transform you within
through grace.
We become like the things we imitate. And that’s why Christ not
only saves us—he also transforms us.
In the imaginative telling of the “backstory” of the first
disciples, The Chosen shows the profound tension between worldly
and transcendent desires. The ancient Roman world had shaped the
disciples’ desires in certain ways, just as the modern world
shapes ours. As Jesus becomes their new and primary model of
desire, their thin desires begin to fade away in favor of the
transcendent purpose he models.
Three minutes into the first episode of season 1, we meet Mary
Magdalene in a time where she is unable to imagine an existence
for herself outside of the reality of demonic possession with
brief periods of lucidity. What does she desire? Anything that
will for a moment relieve her intense suffering: alcohol, even
death. After Jesus calls her by name, however, we see Mary
gradually come to want other things: to live the Sabbath
properly, to be generous and serve others, to learn the
Scriptures. She says of herself, “I was one way and now I am
completely different. And the thing that happened in between was
him.” Jesus has become her new model, and she has begun to want
for herself what he wants.
We see Peter’s desires change before our eyes in a similar
fashion. What does Peter want when we first meet him? The things
his culture has modeled: the overthrow of Roman oppression, the
relief of his tax burden, to be a successful fisherman. He’s
closed to anything else. When his brother Andrew tries to
interest him in Jesus, Peter is initially dismissive, but his
encounter with Jesus on the Sea of Galilee changes everything.
He has a new model placed before him, and thus the trappings of
his old life—his thin desires—start to have less hold on him.
In episode 5, Peter tells his wife, Eden, how excited he is to
go where Christ goes and learn from him. Like a child, he
exclaims, “He said I wouldn’t be a fisherman anymore but would
catch men! I don’t even know what that means, but … I want to
quit fishing and leave the sea behind.”
These are but two moments. The show (so far) does an excellent
job of illustrating the gradual changes that happen as the
disciples begin to desire differently after they choose to
follow Christ.
Yet to be shown in the series is the ominous ending we all know
is coming: the Passion. The Passion is the ultimate moment of
hope for a Christian because it is the moment when death is
conquered and the doors to a new way of living and loving are
opened to us. Taking hold of that new possibility is only
possible for the disciples though—as it is for us—after a period
of divine preparation in which our desires are transformed
enough to see the love of God that was poured out on the cross.
Yes, Peter will betray Christ; he will even try to get Christ to
imitate his own desires (which earns him the strongest rebuke in
the Gospels when Jesus says, “Get behind me, Satan!”). But the
transformation will have been sufficient to bring Peter and the
rest of the disciples (except Judas) to repentance. They finally
desire to live the rest of their lives in service to a higher
truth—to the point that nearly all of them will go willingly to
their deaths in imitation of Christ, when their transformation
was at last complete.
Luke Burgis is entrepreneur-in-residence at the Ciocca Center
for Principled Entrepreneurship and author of Wanting: The Power
of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life.
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Re: THE CHOSEN - WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH
By: guest125 Date: July 15, 2021, 2:25 pm
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SO good, it can't last. It's bound to take a sad turn.
These are from fruit that fell from the tree that was Left
Behind. It was a nut tree.
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Re: THE CHOSEN - WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH
By: guest116 Date: July 15, 2021, 6:30 pm
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I am on episode 5 season two. I am so loving this season. I
have been following along on the parts in the bible that is
reflected in the series.
Thank you Mr. E for turning me onto this series
Thank you, PJ for adding this thread.
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Re: THE CHOSEN - WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH
By: guest116 Date: July 18, 2021, 6:21 pm
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I have some confusion on Season 2 episode 6. I must re-watch
it.
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Re: THE CHOSEN - WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH
By: guest125 Date: July 18, 2021, 6:42 pm
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[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=1355.msg33582#msg33582 date=1626650481]
I have some confusion on Season 2 episode 6. I must re-watch
it.
[/quote]
Here is Tambora's summary from the TF site--
Season 2 Episode 6
THE PAST
A priest shows his young son the replacing of the temple
shewbread ----- twelve fresh loaves to replace the old loaves
representing the 12 tribes of Israel.
A knock comes on the door.
A frantic young man (David who would later become king) was
hungry.
He and his men had been hiding out and were starving.
All that was there to eat was the old replaced shewbread which
was unlawful for anyone but the priests to eat.
But the priest shows mercy and gives David the shewbread to the
hungry men.
THE PRESENT
Simon Peter and Matthew are still out looking for Mary Magdala
who had left the group without telling anyone.
Jesus and the other disciples visit a small synagogue on the
Sabbath.
Priest were reading the law.
Jesus notices a man in pain with a severely withered hand.
He heals him.
The priests are upset He did this on the Sabbath.
Jesus and the disciples are walking back to their camp through a
field of growing wheat.
Simon Peter grabs some and stuffs it into his mouth.
The other disciples stop and stare at him.
"What?"
"Thou shall not gather on the Sabbath", they answered.
Simon Peter spits it out.
"I was so hungry I forgot what day it was."
They look at Jesus.
Jesus says, "Go ahead".
They all grab some kernels of wheat to eat.
(The priests saw this too and were upset.)
Jesus reminds them of the story of David eating the shewbread.
"God desires mercy", Jesus reminded them.
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."
Simon Peter and Matthew find Mary Magdala.
She had returned to her old life, and had been spending her time
at the tavern drinking and gambling with the men there.
They bring her back to the camp with them.
She goes into the tent where Jesus is and He welcomes her back.
She keeps her head down and cannot face Him.
With tears in her eyes she tells Him that she just cannot
measure up.
"Measure up to what, Mary? All I want is your heart."
I title this episode ----- Mercy Trumps Law
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Re: THE CHOSEN - WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH
By: guest8 Date: July 18, 2021, 9:26 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1355.msg33583#msg33583
date=1626651723]
[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=1355.msg33582#msg33582 date=1626650481]
I have some confusion on Season 2 episode 6. I must re-watch
it.
[/quote]
Here is Tambora's summary from the TF site--
Season 2 Episode 6
THE PAST
A priest shows his young son the replacing of the temple
shewbread ----- twelve fresh loaves to replace the old loaves
representing the 12 tribes of Israel.
A knock comes on the door.
A frantic young man (David who would later become king) was
hungry.
He and his men had been hiding out and were starving.
All that was there to eat was the old replaced shewbread which
was unlawful for anyone but the priests to eat.
But the priest shows mercy and gives David the shewbread to the
hungry men.
THE PRESENT
Simon Peter and Matthew are still out looking for Mary Magdala
who had left the group without telling anyone.
Jesus and the other disciples visit a small synagogue on the
Sabbath.
Priest were reading the law.
Jesus notices a man in pain with a severely withered hand.
He heals him.
The priests are upset He did this on the Sabbath.
Jesus and the disciples are walking back to their camp through a
field of growing wheat.
Simon Peter grabs some and stuffs it into his mouth.
The other disciples stop and stare at him.
"What?"
"Thou shall not gather on the Sabbath", they answered.
Simon Peter spits it out.
"I was so hungry I forgot what day it was."
They look at Jesus.
Jesus says, "Go ahead".
They all grab some kernels of wheat to eat.
(The priests saw this too and were upset.)
Jesus reminds them of the story of David eating the shewbread.
"God desires mercy", Jesus reminded them.
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."
Simon Peter and Matthew find Mary Magdala.
She had returned to her old life, and had been spending her time
at the tavern drinking and gambling with the men there.
They bring her back to the camp with them.
She goes into the tent where Jesus is and He welcomes her back.
She keeps her head down and cannot face Him.
With tears in her eyes she tells Him that she just cannot
measure up.
"Measure up to what, Mary? All I want is your heart."
I title this episode ----- Mercy Trumps Law
[/quote] question: where does it say, Mary Magdala fell out of
repentance and just who is Mary Magdala?
Blade
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Re: THE CHOSEN - WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH
By: guest116 Date: July 18, 2021, 9:34 pm
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That's was my question Blade, I did not find this part of the
movie in the Bible and never found anything anywhere that she
fell out of her repentance. That is why I was confused and
going to watch again.
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Re: THE CHOSEN - WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH
By: guest125 Date: July 19, 2021, 9:04 am
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It's a story that follows the gospel narratives. It doesn't use
'scripture' as a 'script.' If your expectation is that the
producers would produce nothing but a reading of the gospels,
then you should have noticed a hundred things already before
this episode that could have been, or might have happened, or
that seem plausible, but are not mentioned in scripture.
The backsliding of Mary is one such event, not recorded in
scripture that the producers included to create a scenario that
might have happened, or maybe not. The point in creating the
scene or storyline was not to pretend it is in scripture, but
simply to pretend it happened. These are actors. This is a
drama. The scenario has deep meaning for many folks who might
struggle with alcohol or drugs, or who fail in a multitude of
different ways. Surely we can all relate.
Here in this clip below, they discuss this with the actor that
plays Mary Magdelene, starting at about the 42 min mark.
HTML https://youtu.be/VPC_-dZbao4
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Re: THE CHOSEN - WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH
By: guest17 Date: July 19, 2021, 1:31 pm
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Where can I find this to watch it?
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Re: THE CHOSEN - WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH
By: guest8 Date: July 19, 2021, 7:52 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1355.msg33588#msg33588
date=1626703466]
It's a story that follows the gospel narratives. It doesn't use
'scripture' as a 'script.' If your expectation is that the
producers would produce nothing but a reading of the gospels,
then you should have noticed a hundred things already before
this episode that could have been, or might have happened, or
that seem plausible, but are not mentioned in scripture.
The backsliding of Mary is one such event, not recorded in
scripture that the producers included to create a scenario that
might have happened, or maybe not. The point in creating the
scene or storyline was not to pretend it is in scripture, but
simply to pretend it happened. These are actors. This is a
drama. The scenario has deep meaning for many folks who might
struggle with alcohol or drugs, or who fail in a multitude of
different ways. Surely we can all relate.
Here in this clip below, they discuss this with the actor that
plays Mary Magdelene, starting at about the 42 min mark.
HTML https://youtu.be/VPC_-dZbao4
[/quote]
So, they are turning God's word into a soap opera
Blade
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