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#Post#: 1173--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Cosmos
By: guest8 Date: September 26, 2018, 4:53 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=135.msg1158#msg1158
date=1537966882]
You can't mock 'a spinning ball' and say gravity doesn't exist
at the same time. You have to resolve whether you believe
gravity (or some force that prevents the centripetal release of
objects from earth) is 'miraculous' like feeding 5000 people
fish and bread out of nowhere, or what.
The people that represent FE here just go 'it doesn't exist'
which the most unintelligent answer in the range of things that
could be given.
Dr. DeYoung (Grace, Winona, IN), astrophysics, says all
uniformitarians expected galaxies to be concentric rings or
'tangles' of paths of individual stars when first viewed. In
MYA (millions of years ago) theory, they should have 'spun'
several times. Instead, all galaxies are slightly S shaped.
[/quote]
[shadow=Blue,left]Scripter: Glad to have you on board..
Can You prove a spinning Ball or are you comfortable with being
lead around by the nose like all of us were at one time.
I even believed we went to the Moon. My Grandfather did not but
I did as a kid. And then the internet came along and all this
data was downloaded. Data that NASA forgot even existed. Van
Allen Radiation belt discovered in 1950s' would alone prevent us
from going to the moon. Even today, NASA spokespeople will tell
you we did not go to the moon.
So where is your proof that the earth is a ball that is
spinning?
Do you believe in GOD? HIS WORD? For His WORD told us the earth
did not move and then by scripture; "HE sat upon the circle of
the earth."
I heard a professor trying to tell students in college now, that
a circle is in fact a BALL. WOW...
The Key for me is that GOD WORD is GOD! What about you?
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 1179--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Cosmos
By: patrick jane Date: September 26, 2018, 6:09 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=135.msg1137#msg1137
date=1537922456]
[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=135.msg1134#msg1134
date=1537899808]
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=135.msg1131#msg1131
date=1537889328]So you think God created the heavens and the
earth 10 billion years after he created the rest of "outer
space"?[/quote]
[font=verdana][color=red]● Gen 1:1 . . In the beginning
God created the Heaven and the Earth.
It take "Heaven" to mean the colossal void out there. i.e. outer
space.
So then, chronologically, the void came first and then
afterwards the Earth, the Sun, the Moon and the Stars; which
logically makes the Earth younger than the void.
Now, in my estimation, the age of the void is a non issue. A
very serious question is the age of the Sun, the Moon, and the
Stars because chronologically the Earth's formation was
completed before any of those other celestial objects were
completed and put in place.
_[/font]
[/quote]
[shadow=Blue,left]Sometime ago, I was watching Star-Trek
Generations. Don't laugh, it was good entertainment but each
episode put forth a vision of some future dream of the
writer(s). One of them involved the Holodeck (we are close to
having them now). The episode ended with a couple being placed
in a starship so they could travel the universe. Unbeknownst to
them, the ship they were on was part of a Holodeck program. A
digital simulation.
Now, I ask... Can we not be in a digital simulation here on
earth. We have a Limit to the Universe (largest) and a Limit to
the smallest (Quantum Physics). As God said to Himself when He
was considering the tower of Babel and the problems caused by
the ONE language in Gen 11:6[/shadow] "And the LORD said,
Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and
this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from
them, which they have imagined to do."
[shadow=blue,left]The writers were dreaming when they wrote this
episode of Star-Trek and so was mankind when He was building the
tower of Babel.
As the couple on that starship was within the holodeck; as we
are within a digital simulation controlled by GOD.[/shadow]
[shadow=Blue,left]Blade[/shadow]
[/quote][shadow=red,left][color=teal]I used to watch Next
Generation every night. I've seen all the episodes, I love that
show with Picard.[/color][/shadow]
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Re: The Cosmos
By: Olde Tymer Date: September 27, 2018, 3:59 am
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[font=arial].
● Gen 1:16 . . He made the stars also.
The universe is expanding in all directions, and not only
expanding, but the rate of its expansion isn't uniform.
The latest data suggests that the expansion is roughly 73.24±
kilometers per second per megaparsec. (Parsecs are a measure of
distance; with one megaparsec amounting to roughly 3.26 million
light years.)
For example: the center of the Virgo Cluster is roughly 16.5
megaparsecs from Earth. So the rate of expansion relative to
that area of the universe is about 1,208 kilometers per second.
(751 miles)
To put that in perspective: the muzzle velocity of a 55 grain,
.223 caliber rifle bullet is roughly 3,200 feet per second;
which translates to a mere 6/10ths of a mile per second. Were
someone to try to shoot the center of the Virgo Cluster in the
back with a .223 the exact moment it passed the spot where they
were standing, the bullet would never catch up fast enough to
hit it.
Anyway; scientific reasoning says that if the universe is
getting bigger, then there must have been a time when celestial
objects were closer together than they are now: much, much
closer; in fact so close that all the matter in the universe was
compacted and condensed into a mere speck. But scientific
reasoning has a fatal flaw; it doesn't reckon with intelligent
design.
According to Genesis 1:16, God set the stars in place. In other
words; instead of beginning the expansion of the universe from a
starting point; the creator began its expansion with a starting
lineup.
NOTE: Nobody knows yet what's ballooning the universe. The cause
has thus far been attributed to a mysterious force called, for
convenience sake, dark energy. Scientists as a rule are a
patient lot. I'm pretty confident that some day they will
discover the cause of the universe's accelerating expansion; and
it would not surprise me one whit if the cause is entirely
natural rather than divine.
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Re: The Cosmos
By: Scripter Date: September 27, 2018, 8:52 am
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Here are some details from ICR on comets yesterday. The short
life of comets is one of the 'direct indications of a recent
creation and cataclysm.' I have a list of those indications,
and will try to post it here soon.
1, comets are quite fragile, constantly losing mass. They will
disappear. Some will or have broken up like in 1994's
line-collision with Jupiter.
2, they are not old. Almost all of them are 'short period'
lifespans even in scientific literature. The longest period is
apparently about 90K years.
3, the current secular theory's 'cloud' source--the Ort cloud--
is said to be located past Neptune but is not very satisfactory.
What would suddenly kick one of these toward the sun? There is
no explanation. This cloud is also called the Kuyper belt.
It is the short life of comets that supports a recent creation
and/or cataclysm.
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Re: The Cosmos
By: Olde Tymer Date: September 28, 2018, 8:53 am
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[font=arial].
● Gen 1:9 . . And God said, Let the waters under the
heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land
appear: and it was so.
Shaping the earth's mantle in order to form low spots for the
seas and high spots for dry ground was a colossal feat of magma
convection and volcanism combined with the titanic forces of
tectonic plate subduction.
"He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be
moved. You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the
waters stood above the mountains. At your rebuke they fled; at
the sound of your thunder they took to flight. The mountains
rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you appointed for
them. You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they
might not again cover the earth." (Ps 104:5-9)
The Earth is home to an amazing volume of water. According to an
article in the Sept 2013 issue of National Geographic magazine,
the amount contained in swamp water, lakes and rivers, ground
water, and oceans, seas, and bays adds up to something like
326.6 million cubic miles; and that's not counting the 5.85
million cubic miles tied up in living organisms, soil moisture,
ground ice and permafrost, ice sheets, glaciers, and permanent
snow. To put that in perspective: a tower 326.6 million miles
high would exceed the Sun's distance better than 3˝ times.
At the ocean's deepest surveyed point-- the Challenger Deep;
located in the Mariana Islands group, at the southern end of the
Mariana Trench --the water's depth is over 11,000 meters; which
is about 6.8 statute miles (36,000 feet). That depth corresponds
to the cruising altitude of a Boeing 747. At that altitude,
probably about all you're going to see of the airliner without
straining your eyes is its contrail.
Africa's Mt Kilimanjaro is the tallest free-standing mountain on
earth at 19,341 feet above its land base. If Kilimanjaro were
placed in the Challenger Deep, it would have about 16,659 feet
of water over its peak. Were the tallest point of the Himalayan
range-- Mt Everest --to be submerged in the Challenger Deep, it
would have about 7,000 feet of water over its peak.
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Re: The Cosmos
By: patrick jane Date: September 28, 2018, 9:21 am
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Zuno, I see that you have completely embraced science as fact
even when cosmology is not science but pure speculation. I will
stick to Biblical Cosmology.
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Re: The Cosmos
By: Olde Tymer Date: September 28, 2018, 9:45 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=135.msg1206#msg1206
date=1538144487]
Zuno, I see that you have completely embraced science as fact
even when cosmology is not science but pure speculation. I will
stick to Biblical Cosmology.[/quote]
[font=arial]The Bible warns against false science (1Tim 6:20).
But not all science is false. For example: science discovered
that the Earth's orbit around the Sun isn't a perfect circle,
rather, it's an ellipse. That's a proven reality. In contrast:
the so-called Big Bang isn't a discovery; it's a theory; viz:
thus far the Big Bang is not a proven reality.
_[/font]
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Re: The Cosmos
By: Olde Tymer Date: September 29, 2018, 1:24 pm
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[font=arial].
Non-human life for the Earth was created on a different scale
than human life. Non-human life was created in swarms, while
human life was created just one solo individual.
● Gen 2:7 . .The Lord God formed the man from the dust of
the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life,
and the man became a living being.
That one human life has the distinction of being the only human
life that God ever created directly from the dust of the ground.
All other human life descends from that one human life,
including women, because they were formed with material
amputated from that first human life's body.
This means that any and all human life made from women are
descendants of that first human life that God created from the
dust of the ground; whether virgin conceived or naturally
conceived makes no difference.
● Acts 17:26 . . He made from one man every nation of
mankind to live on all the face of the earth
The koiné Greek word for "nation" is ethnos (eth'-nos) which
basically refers to races, which for brevity's sake I'll just
label Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, and Australoid. There's a
variety of sub groupings within those major divisions.
Some Christians are adamantly, and sometimes even angrily,
opposed to any and all forms of evolution. But if we don't allow
for at least a modicum of somatic mutations and adaptations
we'll be hard pressed to provide an adequate explanation for the
variety of human life on Earth, including Pygmy, that descended
from the one and only human life that God created directly from
the dust of the ground.
_[/font]
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Re: The Cosmos
By: Scripter Date: September 29, 2018, 7:28 pm
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I don't think a feature like a pygmy size is a matter of slow
development; it is a one-off break down in transmission of all
the DNA and other cellular communication. Likewise, albinism.
Giantism, however, is the opposite case. It was there because
of the type of atmosphere and environment before the destruction
of the cataclysm, and can't happen now.
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Re: The Cosmos
By: patrick jane Date: September 29, 2018, 7:38 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=135.msg1245#msg1245
date=1538267306]
I don't think a feature like a pygmy size is a matter of slow
development; it is a one-off break down in transmission of all
the DNA and other cellular communication. Likewise, albinism.
Giantism, however, is the opposite case. It was there because
of the type of atmosphere and environment before the destruction
of the cataclysm, and can't happen now.
[/quote]Sure it can happen now with cloning and DNA
manipulation. Not to mention opening portals for demons and
chained up fallen angels to enter the earth realm again. It has
all been predicted and I should say foretold by God. Wake Up !!!
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