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#Post#: 5658--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: guest8 Date: May 15, 2019, 9:58 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=131.msg5643#msg5643
date=1557928664]
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=131.msg5639#msg5639
date=1557883213]
[I]Hey Old Tymer, did you finish the count? No more in hell?
Great !!![/I][/quote]
[font=arial][size=3]I ran of comments to accompany the clock.
But if you don't mind a bit of testimony; then here goes.
I was baptized an infant into Roman Catholicism and subsequently
completed enough catechism for First Holy Communion and
Confirmation.
By the time I was twenty-four years old, I had resigned myself
to a future in hell because by then I concluded that earning my
way into heaven via Catholicism was hopeless. In order to do so
I would have to comply with everything Rome teaches and stands
for: the Commandments, the dogma, the rituals, the traditions,
the Councils, the Bulls, the Encyclicals, the rites, the holy
days of obligation, and the whole Catechism; plus the entire New
Testament. That's a lot to remember, let alone put into
practice.
Catholicism's requirements are just too demanding. You'd have to
be divine in order to succeed, whereas I am only human; and that
is a really big handicap.
It's easy to be human without even thinking about it because
humanness comes natural to me. But it's not easy to be divine
without thinking about it because divinity doesn't come natural
to me. It's easier for me to think, feel, speak, and act like a
termite than to think, feel, speak, and act like God.
And not only that; but Catholics can't slack off in heaven, i.e.
they're not home free. In order to stay there, they have to
continue complying with everything that Rome teaches and stands
for; which includes Jesus' instructions.
"Everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on
them will be like a fool who built his house on sand. The rain
fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the
house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined." (Matt
7:26-27)
Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon16: If anyone says
that he will for certain, with an absolute and infallible
certainty, have that great gift of perseverance even to the end,
unless he shall have learned this by a special revelation, let
him be anathema.
Persevering to the end is one thing; but persevering throughout
eternity? Is that even realistic?
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 233 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 14,193,428 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
NOTE: The entire global sky contains roughly six thousand stars
visible to the naked eye. There's more than that out there of
course, but not all are discernable as points of light without
optics. However, we can't see all six thousand stars at once;
only the ones that come out at night. So then; the most we can
see in one night is, at most, somewhere around three thousand
stars.
If we divide my latest pop clock figure by 3,000 we get
something like four-thousand and thirty-one night skies of
people who've passed on to the fiery nether regions since I
began keeping track back in September.
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[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]There will be many Catholics who recognize the
Idolatry in the actions of praying to the Mother Mary or to any
other Saint besides Jesus Christ.
I say there will be many from the RCC who have Salvation based
upon the faith in Jesus Christ. The seven letters Jesus wrote to
the Churches included the RCC and He made a promise to the over
comers for salvation.
Until one dies, it is not too late change ones mind and make
that all important decision.
As far as the RCC going to Hell and returning to heaven, I think
NOT....
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 5661--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 16, 2019, 8:46 am
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[font=arial]Right about the same time that I had resigned to a
future in hell; a friend suggested that I buy a Bible and begin
reading it for myself.
So I picked up a cheap one, and began soldiering thru it a
little every day till I eventually came upon the passage below:
"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will
remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of
flesh. And I will put My spirit in you and move you to follow My
decrees and be careful to keep My laws." (Ezek 36:26-27)
Bang!! That passage really made me sit up and pay attention
because it was the spot-on remedy I needed in order to cure the
very problem mentioned in post No.88 that was keeping me out of
heaven, i.e. the problem of human nature.
But the promise was made to the Jews rather than to non Jews
like myself. Would I have to convert to Judaism in order to take
advantage of it? Apparently not. According to Eph 2:11-22 the
promise has been made available to everyone regardless of their
ethnic identity. And besides, according to Heb 8:13, Judaism is
obsolete; so converting to it at this point in time wouldn't be
useful.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: guest8 Date: May 16, 2019, 7:53 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=131.msg5661#msg5661
date=1558014381]
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[font=arial]Right about the same time that I had resigned to a
future in hell; a friend suggested that I buy a Bible and begin
reading it for myself.
So I picked up a cheap one, and began soldiering thru it a
little every day till I eventually came upon the passage below:
"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will
remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of
flesh. And I will put My spirit in you and move you to follow My
decrees and be careful to keep My laws." (Ezek 36:26-27)
Bang!! That passage really made me sit up and pay attention
because it was the spot-on remedy I needed in order to cure the
very problem mentioned in post No.88 that was keeping me out of
heaven, i.e. the problem of human nature.
But the promise was made to the Jews rather than to non Jews
like myself. Would I have to convert to Judaism in order to take
advantage of it? Apparently not. According to Eph 2:11-22 the
promise has been made available to everyone regardless of their
ethnic identity. And besides, according to Heb 8:13, Judaism is
obsolete; so converting to it at this point in time wouldn't be
useful.
_[/font]
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Ezk 36: 26-27 is Jesus placing the spirit of
the Lord within Israel... This is a forerunner of the mystery in
the New Testament.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 14, 2019, 12:24 pm
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[font=arial]Luke 23:39-40 . . One of the criminals who hung
there hurled insults at him: Aren't you the Christ? Save
yourself and us! But the other criminal rebuked him. Don't you
fear God, he said, since you are under the same sentence?
There's a humorous incident in Dante's Inferno where these two
guys are telling the other that they deserve Hell the most. It's
comical because both are in Hell and it matters little who
deserves to be there more than the other.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 263 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 16,020,908 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
NOTE: The average thickness of a human hair is around .1 mm. So
16,020,908 human hairs laid side by side would spread out
something like 1,602,090 mm, equaling 63,074 inches, or 5,256
feet: almost a mile.
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#Post#: 6454--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 19, 2019, 7:27 am
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[font=arial]Heb 9:13-14 . . For if the blood of goats and bulls
and the sprinkling of a heifer’s ashes can sanctify those who
are defiled so that their flesh is cleansed, how much more will
the blood of Christ, who through the eternal spirit offered
himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from dead
works to worship the living God.
Basically; one's conscience is sort of like a moral compass,
i.e. it provides people with a sense of right, wrong, fairness,
and justice. The conscience not only provides people with some
guidance in those areas, but it has the rather annoying
propensity to sit in judgment on its owner.
Rom 2:14-15 . . For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do
instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law,
are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law
written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and
their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending
themselves.
In it's current condition; the human conscience is unacceptable,
and that's because of its source. We have to go all the way back
to the beginning for that.
Gen 3:5 . . God knows well that when you eat of [the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil] your eyes will be opened and you
will be like gods, who know good and evil.
Was the Serpent's prediction true? Yes; to a certain extent.
Gen 3:22 . .Then the Lord God said: See. The man has become like
one of us, knowing good and evil.
In other words; the Serpent neglected to inform Eve that the
tree of the knowledge of good and evil has a side effect that
alters people's conscience. But is the alteration an acceptable
substitute for the people's original conscience; the one that
came with them when they were created?
No, because now people are "like one of us" i.e. like supreme
beings.
Ps 82:6 . .I said: You are gods
Along with their ill-gotten supremacy as beings came their
ill-gotten supremacy in matters of right, wrong, fairness, and
justice. In other words; the current condition of the human
conscience is unacceptable because it was obtained by eating the
fruit of a tree known to be unsuitable for human consumption. As
a result; the current condition of the human conscience is
diseased; hence the need to sprinkle it, so to speak, with
Jesus' blood.
The sprinkling doesn't cure a human's diseased conscience. The
sprinkling is actually for God's sake, i.e. it makes the human
sense of right, wrong, fairness, and justice tolerable for God
to endure whenever somebody approaches Him in prayer and/or
worship. I don't think many fully appreciate that the human
conscience is equally as repulsive to God as a case of
full-blown leprosy is to us.
Anyway; In the Old Testament, it was necessary to sanitize the
people's conscience each and every time they approached God;
which back then meant either the Tabernacle or the Temple. But a
sprinkling of Jesus' blood is necessary only once, and it's
adequate for all time.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 268 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 16,325,488 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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#Post#: 6479--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 20, 2019, 11:47 am
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[font=arial]Christ's followers retain a guilty conscience; else
the passage below would be unnecessary.
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the
truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and
just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all
unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make Him out
to be a liar and His word has no place in our lives." (1 John
1:8-10)
It appears to me that Christ's followers have two consciences:
there's the conscience they obtained via their natural birth,
and there's the conscience they obtained via the Spirit birth
about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-12. The "born again"
conscience i.e. the new man's conscience, is of course totally
free of guilt.
"No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed
abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1
John 3:9)
One morning in Sunday school class several years ago, a man
asked our speaker about the status of unconfessed sins? Do they
follow us into the afterlife?
Unfortunately the speaker ignored the man's question and
continued with his lesson plan. But later at home I pondered
that man's inquiry because it seemed to me something very
important to think about.
Well; as it turns out, the old man and the new man don't share a
common conscience. By means of a mysterious procedure performed
by the power of God, the new man is its own person distinctly
separate from the old man.
"In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made
without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the
circumcision of Christ" (Col 2:11)
So then, I think we can safely assume that when his followers'
body of the flesh passes away, their natural-born conscience
passes away right along with it, and they go into eternity with
only their Spirit-born conscience, which of course is not
responsible for the old man's sins. Neato!
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#Post#: 6842--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: July 4, 2019, 9:16 pm
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[font=arial]There's a variety of negative opinions about God all
across the internet. Some say He's cruel, sadistic, heartless,
unjust, unfair, unkind, a despotic bully, a monster, sexist, and
just a general all around jerk.
Well, it matters little whether He's all that, and more. It's
futile to criticize God and rake Him across the coals because
God can't be stopped no matter what His faults.
There's very little to be gained by a man on the gallows with a
noose already around his neck turning to the executioner and
saying: Your breath stinks. Well; maybe it really does stink but
the condemned man is still going to get his neck stretched
regardless. He will have the satisfaction of getting in a
parting shot but pointing out the executioner's faults won't
stop him from doing his job.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 283 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 17,239,228 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: July 13, 2019, 9:59 am
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[font=arial]John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my
message, and trust in God who sent me, have eternal life. They
will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already
passed from death into life.
The reason they will never be condemned for their sins is
because Christ was raised again for their justification. (Rom
4:25). The Greek word is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which
essentially means acquittal-- a legal term that can be roughly
defined as the act of adjudicating that a person is not guilty,
i.e. an acquittal is a legal declaration of innocence.
According to 1John 1:8-10, Christ's followers are never 100%
sinless in this life; but that's no longer a legal issue for his
sheep seeing as how according to 2Cor 5:19 God is no longer
keeping a record of their sins as an indictment to hold against
them at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
FAQ: If it's true that people in Hell are destined to be stuck
there forever, then wouldn't it be accurate to say they have
eternal life seeing as how they will never cease to exist?
A: Eternal life has practically nothing at all to do with
longevity.
Eternal life has to do with God's basic nature, i.e. the very
core of His divine being; whereas human life has to do with a
human's basic nature, i.e. the very core of a created being.
People in Hell live and move and have their being with human
nature; whereas people in Heaven live and move and have their
being with divine nature. (2Pet 1:4)
If people in heaven really and truly do have divine nature
rather than human nature, then just imagine how easy it is for
them to please God not just some of the time, nor even most of
the time; but all of the time.
The tree of life in the garden of Eden would've extended
longevity indefinitely for as long as the people kept nourishing
themselves with its fruit and using its leaves for remedies (Gen
3:22, Rev 22:2). So that goes to show that it isn't necessary
for humans to have eternal life in order for them to exist a
long, long time. There are other ways to keep human life going.
I suspect that God has quite a few tricks up His sleeve about
which we are thus far unaware.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 292 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 17,787,472 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: guest8 Date: July 14, 2019, 9:45 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=131.msg7024#msg7024
date=1563029971]
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[font=arial]John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my
message, and trust in God who sent me, have eternal life. They
will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already
passed from death into life.
The reason they will never be condemned for their sins is
because Christ was raised again for their justification. (Rom
4:25). The Greek word is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which
essentially means acquittal-- a legal term that can be roughly
defined as the act of adjudicating that a person is not guilty,
i.e. an acquittal is a legal declaration of innocence.
According to 1John 1:8-10, Christ's followers are never 100%
sinless in this life; but that's no longer a legal issue for his
sheep seeing as how according to 2Cor 5:19 God is no longer
keeping a record of their sins as an indictment to hold against
them at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
FAQ: If it's true that people in Hell are destined to be stuck
there forever, then wouldn't it be accurate to say they have
eternal life seeing as how they will never cease to exist?
A: Eternal life has practically nothing at all to do with
longevity.
Eternal life has to do with God's basic nature, i.e. the very
core of His divine being; whereas human life has to do with a
human's basic nature, i.e. the very core of a created being.
People in Hell live and move and have their being with human
nature; whereas people in Heaven live and move and have their
being with divine nature. (2Pet 1:4)
If people in heaven really and truly do have divine nature
rather than human nature, then just imagine how easy it is for
them to please God not just some of the time, nor even most of
the time; but all of the time.
The tree of life in the garden of Eden would've extended
longevity indefinitely for as long as the people kept nourishing
themselves with its fruit and using its leaves for remedies (Gen
3:22, Rev 22:2). So that goes to show that it isn't necessary
for humans to have eternal life in order for them to exist a
long, long time. There are other ways to keep human life going.
I suspect that God has quite a few tricks up His sleeve about
which we are thus far unaware.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 292 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 17,787,472 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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[/quote]
So far heaven is just a holding area for those who have died and
are awaiting...
Blade
#Post#: 7103--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: July 18, 2019, 10:15 am
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[font=arial]I'm sometimes very curious why seemingly normal
foods are hazardous to so many people, i.e. salt, fat, sugar,
gluten, peanuts, dairy, red meat; etc.
Ps 69:22 . . May their table before them become a snare;
I don't know if the above is supposed to be arbitrary, but it
sure seems to be because health issues related to nourishment
are everywhere regardless of race, gender, age, or religious
preference.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 297 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 18,092,052 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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