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#Post#: 2908--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 22, 2018, 9:56 am
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[font=arial]Q: What sane father would condemn His own children
to eternal punishment simply because they don't agree with him?
A: While visiting Athens, Paul said the below:
"For in Him we live and move and have our being. As some of your
own poets have said: We are his offspring. Therefore since we
are God's offspring . . . yada, yada, yada." (Acts 17:27-29)
From that passage, quite a few folk have concluded that humanity
is God's progeny the same as Christ. But we know for a fact that
humanity's association with God isn't by means of biological
reproduction. Humanity is God's handiwork; His creation. (Gen
1:26-27, Gen 2:7, Matt 19:4)
So, in order for individuals to get in God's family, and thus be
counted as His bona fide posterity, they have to undergo a
special adoption process.
"When the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His son--
born of a woman, born under the Law --in order that He might
redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the
adoption as sons." (Gal 4:3-6)
But in order to get in on that particular adoption, people have
to first undergo creation all over again.
"As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become
children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were
born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will
of man, but of God." (John 1:12-13)
"Don't be surprised at my statement that you must be born
again." (John 3:7)
Bottom line: God doesn't condemn the members of His own family
to eternal punishment; but He won't hesitate to condemn yours if
they neglect to follow Christ's instructions.
"I assure you: unless you are born again, you can never see the
Kingdom of God." (John 3:3)
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 89 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 5,299,692 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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#Post#: 2937--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 24, 2018, 9:47 am
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[font=arial]I was once challenged by an Atheist that if I
believed so strongly in the existence of a hell; then what was I
doing for people down there.
Well; I had to tell the Atheist that although it isn't God's
wishes that people end up suffering in hell, it is His wishes
that they suffer once they get there. So that even if it were in
my power to do something to make their situation a bit more
tolerable and/or a bit more comfortable-- which it isn't --I
wouldn't dare attempt to circumvent God's wishes; and neither
would Christ.
● John 4:34 . . My food is to do the will of Him that sent
me.
● John 8:29 . . And he that sent me is with me: the Father
hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please
him.
● John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.
That means Christ wouldn't have protested, nor interfered, in
either Noah's Flood or the fiery destruction of Sodom and
Gomorrah; even though a number of infants and underage children
went to their deaths as collateral damage in both events.
● John 5:19 . .Whatever the Father does, the Son also
does.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 91 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 5,543,356 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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#Post#: 2962--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 26, 2018, 10:10 am
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[font=arial]Many years ago-- when I was a young single guy in
his early twenties, living alone in a cheap rental --as I was
listening to a radio preacher talk about hell, something in my
mind took over; and I had the strangest sensation of falling off
the earth into an abyss and nobody cared, nor did anybody miss
me, nor did my disappearance cause any alarm nor make any
difference.
The freeways remained busy with frustrated drivers and honking
horns, people still got up to go to work, shoppers crowded the
supermarkets and department stores, kids caught their buses to
school, birds kept right on chirping, grass kept on growing,
ocean waves went on rolling onto the beach, trains kept running,
airlines kept flying, clouds moved across the sky; and all that.
My absence changed nothing nor disturbed anyone nor anything.
The world was utterly indifferent; it kept right on turning,
clocks went on ticking; and nature and man went right on with
their business as usual without the slightest hiccup. At that
moment I realized just how alone and how obscure people must
feel when they exhale their final breath and cross over to the
other side.
Back in March of 2015, Andrew Getty, an heir to J. Paul Getty's
oil fortune, died at the age of 47. In life, Andrew had many
friends. You know how many accompanied him on his journey across
the river Styx? Nary a one.
You gotta walk that lonesome valley,
You gotta walk it by yourself,
Nobody here can walk it for you,
You gotta walk it by yourself.
(Woody Guthrie)
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 93 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 5,665,188 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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#Post#: 2970--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: guest8 Date: December 26, 2018, 11:26 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=131.msg2962#msg2962
date=1545840657]
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[font=arial]Many years ago-- when I was a young single guy in
his early twenties, living alone in a cheap rental --as I was
listening to a radio preacher talk about hell, something in my
mind took over; and I had the strangest sensation of falling off
the earth into an abyss and nobody cared, nor did anybody miss
me, nor did my disappearance cause any alarm nor make any
difference.
The freeways remained busy with frustrated drivers and honking
horns, people still got up to go to work, shoppers crowded the
supermarkets and department stores, kids caught their buses to
school, birds kept right on chirping, grass kept on growing,
ocean waves went on rolling onto the beach, trains kept running,
airlines kept flying, clouds moved across the sky; and all that.
My absence changed nothing nor disturbed anyone nor anything.
The world was utterly indifferent; it kept right on turning,
clocks went on ticking; and nature and man went right on with
their business as usual without the slightest hiccup. At that
moment I realized just how alone and how obscure people must
feel when they exhale their final breath and cross over to the
other side.
Back in March of 2015, Andrew Getty, an heir to J. Paul Getty's
oil fortune, died at the age of 47. In life, Andrew had many
friends. You know how many accompanied him on his journey across
the river Styx? Nary a one.
You gotta walk that lonesome valley,
You gotta walk it by yourself,
Nobody here can walk it for you,
You gotta walk it by yourself.
(Woody Guthrie)
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 93 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 5,665,188 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]I disagree Ole Timer..You said:
You gotta walk that lonesome valley,
You gotta walk it by yourself,
Nobody here can walk it for you,
You gotta walk it by yourself.
(Woody Guthrie)"
One always has someone to talk to, someone to cry to, someone to
tell their sad stories and someone who will bring you up from
the very lows you have fallen to. The Holy Spirit is who I speak
of and to get HIM there is another to believe and have faith in
first. Jesus Christ (1 Cor 15:1-4)
Blade
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 28, 2018, 8:00 am
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[font=arial]When people waken at night within a burning home,
and the hallways are obscured by smoke and fire: at that moment,
all things-- appointments, charge card balances, student debt,
retirement, the glass ceiling, GMO, women's rights, LGBT
marriage, Obama care, abortion, water on Mars, illegal
immigration, Hillary's emails, President Trump's wall, #MeToo,
ISIS, Kim Jong-un, Carrington events, the San Andreas fault,
Dow-Jones, Dancing With The Stars, who's at fault for Benghazi,
or who's playing in the Super Bowl; whatever --pale in
comparison to the importance of finding a way out before it's
too late.
In the face of imminent death; with the flames of hell already
licking around your naked legs; it's at a time like that when
you'd better hope to God that your spiritual leaders haven't
steered you down the wrong road because there will be neither
time nor opportunity to seek a second opinion.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 95 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 5,787,020 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 30, 2018, 1:01 pm
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[font=arial]● Gen 6:5 . .And God saw that the wickedness
of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the
thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
It's freaky to contemplate that the Bible's God has a way to
eavesdrop on one's mental processes on a level with which we are
mostly unfamiliar.
● Matt 15:18-19 . . For out of the heart proceed evil
thoughts
So then, it's not how your mind works that defines you, no, it's
how your heart works that defines you; and a man's heart is
easily capable of hoodwinking his own consciousness.
● Jer 17:9 . . The human heart is most deceitful and
desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?
There is a part of us that psychology labels the subconscious;
which in Freud's opinion is a repository for socially
unacceptable ideas, wishes or desires, traumatic memories, and
painful emotions put out of mind by the mechanism of
psychological repression. However, the contents do not
necessarily have to be solely negative.
In the psychoanalytic view, the subconscious is a force that can
only be recognized by its effects-- in other words: your mind's
thoughts can be construed not as replicas of your hearts
thoughts; but rather, as symptoms of your heart's thoughts.
The key word in the above is repression. God is able to
de-suppress those repressed contents and submit them as evidence
in the prosecution's case against the accused. That means He
will be confronting people with things that they never before
really knew about themselves; and that's why I sometimes say
only a fool would take their chances with the Bible's God. They
have no clue the extent of the psychological tsunami they're
walking into.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 97 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 5,908,852 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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#Post#: 3032--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 1, 2019, 9:44 am
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[font=arial]● Luke 12:15-20 . . A man's life does not
consist in the abundance of his possessions. And he told them
this parable:
. . .The ground of a certain rich man produced a good crop. He
thought to himself: What shall I do? I have no place to store my
crops. Then he said: This is what I'll do. I will tear down my
barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain
and my goods. And I'll say to myself; You have plenty of good
things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be
merry.
. . . But God said to him: You fool! This very night your life
will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have
prepared for yourself?
That is one of the futilities of success in this world.
Everybody knows it, but moguls like Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs,
Phil Knight, Paul Allen, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet et al
never seem to take it to heart until they've got one foot in the
grave.
I once heard a story about a very wealthy man who died. His
surviving relatives were all called to the reading of the man's
will while the media waited outside. When the reading was over,
the media asked the man's kin how much he left. They replied: He
left it all.
Yes, of course he left it all; even the clothing he wore to his
own funeral.
The paintings of Gustave Doré, illustrating portions of Dante's
Inferno, depict lost souls 100% stark naked-- clothed with nary
a stitch --as they should be because no doubt they are.
The Beetles once complained in song: Money can't buy me love.
Well; it couldn't buy them time either-- John is gone, and so is
George.
● Ecc 2:14-16 . .The wise man has eyes in his head, while
the fool walks in the darkness; but I came to realize that the
same fate overtakes them both.
. . .Then I thought in my heart: The fate of the fool will
overtake me also. What then do I gain by being wise? For the
wise man, like the fool, will not be long remembered; in days to
come both will be forgotten. Like the fool, the wise man too
must die.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 99 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 6,030,684 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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#Post#: 3058--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 3, 2019, 12:35 pm
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[font=arial]According to Siddhartha Gautama, the inventor of
Buddhism, there is no personal "soul" that continues to exist
beyond the demise of one's organic body; ergo: one's original
self no longer exists after death.
Q: So then in Buddhist rebirth; what is reborn if not the
person?
A: Buddhist rebirth is not a resurrection, rather, a
reincarnation; viz: a rearrangement of the karmic matter that
was once a particular individual. The complete teaching is a bit
complex but in a nutshell, Buddhists can expect to return as
either gods, asuras, hungry ghosts, hell beings, animals, and/or
humans.
In addition: reincarnation doesn't stop with one event; but is
potentially a cycle of birth, misery, and death called samsara.
Christianity allots but one physical return per person (Dan
12:2, John 5:29, Rev 20:5-6). So then, those who undergo a
second death in the reservoir of brimstone depicted at Rev
20:10-15 won't be coming back for a do-over because they will
have used up their one allotted resurrection in order to face
justice at the Great White Throne.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 101 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 6,152,516 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 5, 2019, 8:27 pm
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[font=arial]POSIT: Since God created us the way we are; then He
is ultimately responsible for our conduct.
RESPONSE: Some years ago I went into a music store in San Diego
and noticed that one of the store's glass display cases
contained a rather large variety of curious bottles. So I asked
the clerk what they were. He said they were bongs. You mean for
smoking dope? I asked. He replied: Yes; that is their purpose.
So I responded: But isn't dope illegal? He replied: Yes, dope is
illegal, however we don't sell dope; we only sell the means to
smoke it. You see; the responsibility for smoking dope was on
the end-users of bongs rather than upon the sellers of bongs.
In a similar incident, I went into an electronics store to
purchase a mobile CB radio and noticed an array of devices in
the display case that I didn't recognize. The clerk told me they
were linear amplifiers; which, he said, are devices for boosting
a standard 5-watt CB's signal strength. I asked the clerk if
that was legal. He said no, it isn't legal to boost the standard
signal. However, he said: it isn't illegal to own equipment with
the capability to do so. In other words; the law placed the
responsibility for boosting CB signals on the end-user of linear
amplifiers rather than the sellers of linear amplifiers.
What I'm getting at is: God created humanity with the capability
to make bad choices. But at the same time, He created humanity
with the capability to make good choices too. In the incident
involving the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; Adam chose
poorly. Does it make sense to blame God for Adam's choice? No;
he was fully advised of both the ban and the consequence.
But you see: so-called "product liability" is a convenient way
of blaming others for our own failings. In other words: product
liability's proponents insist that the availability of things
like forbidden fruit, bongs, and linear amplifiers constitutes
enablement. So these days instead of saying "The devil made me
do it; therefore my conduct is his fault" now people say "I was
provided the means to do it; therefore my conduct is the
provider's fault."
Many of the liquid products we have under our sinks and out in
the garage are toxic; so manufacturers put warning labels on
them. Now; placing those products for sale to the public
constitutes enablement, but they're assuming you're intelligent
enough to read the warning labels they put on the containers. If
you ignore the warning labels; it's your own fault for being
stupid.
A smart man won't test the limits, nor push his luck, nor tempt
fate; viz: he won't eat forbidden fruit, smoke dope, boost his
CB radio's output above the legal limits, or swallow toilet bowl
cleaner and Prestone engine coolant just because those toxic
products are available.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 103 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 6,274,348 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 7, 2019, 10:35 am
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[font=arial]● Rev 20:11-15 . . I saw a great white throne,
and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven
fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the
dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were
opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life.
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life,
he was thrown into the lake of fire.
According to Rev 20:10, the lake of fire consists of brimstone;
defined by Webster's as sulfur; which liquifies at around
239.38° F and boils at around 832.3° F.
Molten sulfur assumes a dark red color at around 392° F which,
in all likelihood, enhances the lake's fiery appearance.
Q: What if people's execution in the brimstone isn't quick? I
mean: the day of Adam's death began the moment he tasted the
forbidden fruit; yet he continued to survive outside the garden
of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his son Seth.
(Gen 5:4)
A: That is a distinct possibility.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 105 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 6,396,180 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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