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#Post#: 1929--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: October 31, 2018, 8:15 am
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[font=arial]● 2Thes 2:11-12 . . God will send them strong
delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be
condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in
unrighteousness.
In other words: there's coming a time when God's patience will
reach its reasonable limits, and He will purposely, willfully,
and deliberately make sure that a certain category of people
have no chance whatsoever to be spared the wrath of God.
Back when Noah was preparing the ark, no doubt his neighbors all
mocked and poked fun at him like one of those deranged souls
that go around with a sandwich board that reads: Repent; The End
Is Near! But when the rain started, I bet those very same
neighbors panicked and tried to get Noah to open up and let them
in. But even had Noah wanted to; he couldn't. The hatch of the
ark was sealed from the outside: and God was the only one on
earth who could open it-- He chose not to.
● Rev 1:18 . . I am He who lives, and was dead, and
behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of
Hades and of Death.
● Rev 3:7 . .These are the words of him who is holy and
true: who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut,
and what he shuts no one can open.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 37 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 2,253,892 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 2, 2018, 9:12 am
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[font=arial]● Acts 2:31a . . his soul was not left in hell
The Greek word for "hell" in that verse is haides (hah'-dace)
which essentially means unseen. It refers to an afterlife
situation irrespective of one's goodness or badness and
regardless of age, race, religion, or gender.
Classical haides is divided into sections where the souls of the
dead are assigned in accordance with the quality of their
pre-death existence. The worst section is a deep abyss called
Tartarus; which is utilized in the New Testament at 2Pet 2:4.
According to Luke 23:13, Jesus' soul vacationed in the better
section of haides.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 39 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 2,375,724 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 4, 2018, 12:03 pm
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[font=arial]A forgiven sinner is still sinful, and they'll go
right on sinning same as before they were forgiven unless they
undergo a radical re-design because human nature is
intrinsically bad.
● Gen 6:5 . .Yhvh saw how great man's wickedness on the
earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of
his heart was only evil all the time.
● Gen 8:21 . . Man's thoughts and actions are bent toward
evil from childhood.
● Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the
leopard its spots? Then may you also do good who are accustomed
to do evil.
● Eph 2:3 . .We were by nature the children of wrath, even
as others.
● John 3:7 . .You should not be surprised at my saying:
you must be born again.
Well; in light of the passages above, it's certainly no surprise
to me that people need to be brought to life all over again from
scratch; and I'm not talking about reincarnation; no, I'm
talking about an upgrade to the very core of their being so that
they would, by nature, be the children of heaven rather than the
children of hell.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 41 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 2,497,556 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 6, 2018, 10:02 am
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[font=arial]Probably the first thing that most of us think of
when we hear the word "hell" is everlasting torture. But the
reservoir of burning sulfur depicted at Rev 20:10-15 is actually
not so much a rack as it is a gallows. The reservoir is
primarily an instrument for carrying out death sentences rather
than life sentences.
A death sentence-- although a sentence with lasting effects
--isn't perpetual; it's momentary. In other words: criminals are
subjected to execution only long enough to end their lives. The
primary reason we call the second death "eternal" is because
it's permanent; viz: according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29
there's only one resurrection allotted per person. Therefore
nobody is coming back from the second death because they will
have used up their one resurrection in order to face justice at
the Great White Throne event.
NOTE: People walk away alive from the fire spoken of at 1Cor
3:5-15. Nobody walks away alive from the fire spoken of at Rev
20:10-15.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 43 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 2,619,388 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 8, 2018, 9:03 am
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[font=arial]Human existence on earth is a composite of body,
soul, and spirit. (Gen 2:7, 1Thes 5:23, Heb 4:12)
The body and the soul are readily destroyed by means of hell
fire (Matt 10:28) but I have yet to come across a passage in the
Bible teaching that the spirit is destroyed by that means; or by
any means for that matter.
In what condition people will exist in the lake of brimstone
depicted at Rev 20:11-15 minus a human body and a human soul I
don't know. It might be that the human spirit is transferrable.
What if God is able to move people's spirit around at will and
attach it to a body and soul other than a human body and soul;
say, the body and soul of a demonic being? The very thought of
such a possibility is disturbing.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 45 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 2,741,355 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 10, 2018, 1:51 pm
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[font=arial]COMMON ATTITUDE: I'm special; God understands me.
Although He probably may not let others off; I'm sure God will
make an exception for me because I'm not like other people; I'm
different.
RESPONSE: Unfortunately, the Bible's God can't do that. If He
were to make exceptions, God would be neither equitable, nor
honest-- and worse, it would go against His grain, compromise
His integrity, sin against His conscience; and cause Him to lose
the world's respect. No, God doesn't grade on a curve: everyone
is treated equally in God's courtroom. In a system of divine
absolutes; there is neither a curve nor an exception: nobody
gets any favors, nobody is special, and nobody is a protected
species.
● Deut 10:17 . . Yhvh shows no partiality and accepts no
bribes.
● Acts 10:34 . .Then Peter began to speak: I now realize
how true it is that God is impartial.
● Rom 2:5-11 . . For there is coming a day of judgment
when God, the just judge of all the world, will judge all people
according to what they have done. He will give eternal life to
those who persist in doing what is good, seeking after the glory
and honor and immortality that God offers.
. . . But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live
for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth; and practice evil
deeds. There will be anguish and calamity for everyone who
practices evil-- for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. But
there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all
practice good --for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. For
God does not show favoritism.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 47 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 2,863,052 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 12, 2018, 11:42 am
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[font=arial]Q: Doesn't the Bible say that God's mercy endures
forever as per Ps 100:5, Ps 106:1, Ps 107:1, and Ps 118:1, et
al?
A: God's mercy is always available; but His good sense knows
when to say when. Examples of that are the people swept away by
the hand of God in the Flood, and those burned to death by the
hand of God in Sodom and Gomorrah; and the firstborn of man and
beast slain by the hand of God on Passover night in Egypt.
It's possible to push God too far. For example:
● Hos 4:17 . . Ephraim is joined to idols; let him alone.
In other words: God instructed the prophet Hosea not to bother
preaching in Ephraim. They were too far gone.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 49 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 2,984,884 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 14, 2018, 10:59 am
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[font=arial]● Jonah 4:9-11 . . God said to Jonah: Do you
have a right to be angry about the vine? I do; he said. I am
angry enough to die. But the Lord said: You have been concerned
about this vine, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It
sprang up overnight and died overnight. But Nineveh has more
than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their
right hand from their left, and many cattle as well. Should I
not be concerned about that great city?
Had not Jonah's preaching persuaded Nineveh's adults to change
their ways, 120,000 small children would have died through no
fault of their own. They would have been collateral damage due
to their parents' decadence.
NOTE: Though the city was spared in Jonah's day, a hundred years
later in Nahum's day it was destroyed by means of war and
conquest; whereby a whole new generation of minors died before
their time.
Just exactly how God is able to engineer such things is a bit of
a mystery; but does make one wonder where else this terrifying
work of His goes on. Did God somehow have a hand in the American
civil war, and the first and second world wars, and the
Holocaust, and in Korea and Vietnam, and in the so-called Arab
Spring, and in the pandemics, the ethnic cleansings, ISIS, the
housing bubble, and the genocides of the last century, and in
natural events like mighty earthquakes, tsunamis, and super
storms? I really have to wonder sometimes because Jonah's God is
still out there somewhere; and so-called acts of God are still
taking young lives.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 51 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 3,106,716 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 16, 2018, 7:52 pm
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[font=arial]The ordeal that Christ endured on the cross was so
brief that it looks like child's play in comparison to the
misery of souls in hell. His suffering barely lasted six hours
(Mark 15:25, Matt 27:46-50) not even one whole day. People in
hell go day, after day, after day, after day, after day,
infinitum.
Q: But if Christ suffered only six hours, how can he possibly
atone for people facing an eternity in hell?
A: It wasn't his torture that atoned for humanity's sins; it was
the loss of his life that did the trick. Christ didn't have to
go to the flames himself in order to rescue people from that
terrible fate; no, he only had to die in accordance with the law
of sin and death.
● Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death
Individual human lives are of such low value that the most that
anybody could hope to die for is just one sin. In most cases;
that leaves a pretty large balance to atone for. In contrast;
the value of the life of God's son is such that his death can
atone for an infinite number of everybody's sins.
● 1Pet 1:18-20 . . For you know that God paid a ransom to
save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors.
And the ransom he paid was not mere gold or silver. He paid for
you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless
Lamb of God.
Peter called the blood of Christ two things: a ransom and
precious, meaning it's like rare jewels and metals; very pricey.
Nobody else's life is nearly as valuable as Christ's life. Peter
would never call regular human life rare and pricey. Ordinary
human lives are wholesale: they're cheap as the grass (Isa
40:6-7, 1Pet 1:24) just a dime a dozen and quite useless for
redemption purposes.
Christ's life is the only life God will accept for multiple
sins: and the alternative is infinite punishment because no
amount of limited punishment can ever equal the value of
Christ's blood because not only is a life like Christ's rare,
but his is the only one like it in existence. (cf. Rom 3:9-20,
Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22, 1John 3:9)
Serial sinners are up a creek with no paddle because they have
but two lives to forfeit for sin-- the life they have now, and
the one they'll have later at their resurrection; but
unfortunately, one of those lives is ear-marked for Adam's sin
so they can't use it to atone for any of their own sins. And
when they're resurrected to stand trial at the Great White
Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15; that'll be their last
life because according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only
one resurrection allotted per person. And since the Bible's
ratio is one life per one sin, then serial sinners will come up
short and never have sufficient lives to atone for a lifetime's
accumulation of sins.
The dungeons of hell can be compared to a debtor's prison.
● Matt 5:25-26 . .Come to terms quickly with your
adversary before it is too late and you are dragged into court,
handed over to an officer, and thrown in jail. I assure you that
you won't be free again until you have paid the last penny.
The reason that hell is a debtor's prison is because the only
payment for one's sins that God will accept is death. Well; it's
death for each sin. So if somebody has say, 200 sins to answer
for, they'll only be able to pay for one because according to
Dan 12:2 & John 5:28-29 there is but one resurrection allotted
per person; not 200.
If absolute justice could be satisfied with torture, then hell's
inmates could look forward to a release date. But alas; such
isn't to happen because the only "coinage" the Bible's God is in
a position to accept in lieu of their own lives is His son's
life.
Bottom line: Christ's crucifixion is the final option. Those who
refuse to take advantage of it, will cross over to the other
side in poverty; with literally no way in hell to pay their
debts to God; thus they'll be permanently stuck in the wrong
place.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 53 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 3,228,548 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 20, 2018, 10:54 am
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[font=arial]● Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who
kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather fear Him
which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Q: If somebody is already dead, then how can hell kill their
body?
A: The current hell doesn't kill the human body because for now
when people die, their bodies stay here rather than going there.
But out ahead in the future; people in the current hell will be
resurrected to face justice at the Great White Throne event
depicted at Rev 20:11-15. It is then when people's bodies will
be terminated by yet another hell; and since there is but one
resurrection allotted per person (Dan 12:2, John 5:28-29) then
nobody is ever coming back from that hell.
OBJECTION: The final hell is depicted as a lake of fire (Rev
20:11-15). Sorry; but it's impossible to liquefy flame
RESPONSE: It's also impossible to inundate the entire planet
with a global flood. However, according to Rev 20:10 and Rev
21:8, the lake consists of not only fire; but also a substance
called brimstone; which Webster's defines as sulfur.
Sulfur melts at 232.36º F and boils at 832.28º F. If sulfur's
temperature is maintained in that range; it could easily suffice
for an impoundment consisting of both flame and liquid.
Q: What's to prevent the lake's fire from consuming the sulfur?
A: The presence of fire doesn't always indicate combustion; for
example the flames in Moses' bush were non consuming. (Ex
3:1-3). I think it's safe to assume that the fire related to the
lake of fire is for heating purposes only rather than
incinerating.
POP CLOCK UPDATE: 57 days have elapsed since beginning the
thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then
something like 3,472,212 new arrivals have checked into the
fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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