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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest125 Date: June 3, 2021, 9:58 pm
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[quote author=La Shonda link=topic=1282.msg30821#msg30821
date=1622671711]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1282.msg30812#msg30812
date=1622667679]
[quote author=La Shonda link=topic=1282.msg30811#msg30811
date=1622667396]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1282.msg30798#msg30798
date=1622636638]
Okay, I have repeatedly tried to correct it and for some reason
it will not remove the line...I have requested help if we can't
find a way to fix it I can try to repost the study.
[/quote]Hey Lori I edited your post and took out the line for
you hope that helps out...
[/quote]Thank you hon she fixed it after a while but it's good
to know that you can do that [member=131]La Shonda[/member] - I
love you
[/quote]You're welcome hon, learning as I go wanted to see if I
can fix the line and I did ... [member=1]patrick jane[/member] I
love you too hon...🥰
[/quote]
Hello peach.... if you might share how you fixed it please? We
have had no Moderator training and some of us are old!!!! -and
can't figure out ALL THESE BUTTONS! lol
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest131 Date: June 4, 2021, 12:31 am
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg30930#msg30930
date=1622775490]
Hello peach.... if you might share how you fixed it please? We
have had no Moderator training and some of us are old!!!! -and
can't figure out ALL THESE BUTTONS! lol
[/quote] I clicked on modify when I modified her post and I did
her post what it is when you type to get the strike thru [s]like
this[/s] I took away what she had was the bracelets right and
left [] with the letter s in the middle of it so I took that
out when I edited her post and took this away I took anything
that had bracelet I had to space so you know what I took out [
s ] hope this helps out.
#Post#: 31146--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: June 7, 2021, 12:51 pm
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The Parable of the Builders…
As I was preparing to study the parable of the builders, I read
the first sentence, Matthew 7:24 “Therefore, everyone who hears
these words of Mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man
who built his house on the rock. I suddenly realized that we
had to know more in order to fully understand this parable. We
had to know and at least to some degree understand the teachings
that precede this parable. Since the study is centered on the
parables, the preceding teachings will be simple and not as
deep. To that end, the first teaching we have not yet touched
on is Matthew 6, the giving to the poor.
6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness[a] in front of
people, to be seen by them. Otherwise, you will have no reward
from your Father in heaven. 2 So whenever you give to the poor,
don’t sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the
synagogues and on the streets, to be applauded by people. I
assure you: They’ve got their reward! 3 But when you give to the
poor, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is
doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father
who sees in secret will reward you. What we want to focus on
here is giving to the poor.
The account of course says not to give to be seen by others but
as we study more on giving we learn a bit more. We also want to
see a consistency in scripture which tells us that we are
understanding it correctly. So let’s roll up our sleeves and
dig into giving.
We are to give to the poor without making a show of it.
(Matthew 23:5) If we make a show of it, we have already
received our reward rather than to wait for God’s reward. (Luke
6:24; Luke 16:25; Luke 6:24) We are to give out of a willing
heart that gives without reservation. (Matthew 10:8 ) Many
people give out of compulsion, Christ teaches that we are to
give out of our own hearts conviction not because of anything
anyone says or does to try to convince us to give. (II
Corinthians 9:7; Exodus 25:2; Deuteronomy 15:10; I Chronicles
29:9; Romans 8:12)
Our giving should be done with lavishness. It’s a giving that is
generous. (Matthew 5:42; Luke 6:30) God lavishes us with Love.
As such we too are to lavish the poor with Love. In lavishing
our Love giving, we will be measured by that same measure. (Luke
6:38) We do not have to worry about giving it all because God
generously gives to us. (Luke 11:3) Getting away from our
bondage to our possessions in exchange for giving as Christ
instructs us is building treasures in heaven. (Matthew 19:21;
Mark 10:21) One day someone challenged me by claiming that
Christian’s don’t give as they are commanded in scripture. I
told him there were some who did and asked him what he wanted
from me. He told me and I assured him I didn’t have it to give
but if I did it would be his. Our giving needs to be from what
God has given us, consider the woman who gave her two mites. (II
Corinthians 8:12; Luke 21:1-4; Mark 12:43)
Acts 2:41-47 shows us this principle carried out in an entire
body where the early believers were devoting themselves to the
apostles teaching, to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and
to prayer, so much so that they sold all their possessions and
held everything in common so that they could care for the poor.
As we move through Acts into chapter 5:1-11 we see that God is
more concerned about the truth of our hearts than the amount of
our giving.
When we give to the poor it is like giving to Christ Himself.
(Matthew 10:42; Mark 9:41; Matthew 25:31-46) We can give
generously, with a willing heart, we can give for all the right
reasons and in all the right ways, but the bottom line is that
we need to give out of Love; Love for God and Love for the one
whom we are giving to. (I Corinthians 13:3) A Love that is the
heart of the entire law and teaching of Christ.
#Post#: 31246--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest125 Date: June 8, 2021, 9:38 am
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Are you sitting down? I can only offer an alternative
perspective.
A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give
at all. 'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because
I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to
see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.
So then do they go give anonymously? Sometimes. Some do...
Most do not. The simply excuse themselves and say things like
"I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."
In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice
righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others. -It
says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your
giving or good works. Who cares if someone sees or takes
notice. You can only do so much in secret. Elsewhere scripture
teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be
seen by others. But again, don't let that attention be what
motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to
it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven
for earthly accolades. Bad trade.
The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...
Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is
actually a very old principle in which the right hand is
considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives)
and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand
that receives) --in this the principle is to not consider what
you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.
It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent
way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both
lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
#Post#: 31247--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: June 8, 2021, 10:51 am
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg31246#msg31246
date=1623163125]
Are you sitting down? I can only offer an alternative
perspective.
A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give
at all. 'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because
I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to
see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.
So then do they go give anonymously? Sometimes. Some do...
Most do not. The simply excuse themselves and say things like
"I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."
In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice
righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others. -It
says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your
giving or good works. Who cares if someone sees or takes
notice. You can only do so much in secret. Elsewhere scripture
teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be
seen by others. But again, don't let that attention be what
motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to
it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven
for earthly accolades. Bad trade.
The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...
Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is
actually a very old principle in which the right hand is
considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives)
and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand
that receives) --in this the principle is to not consider what
you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.
It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent
way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both
lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
[/quote]Tons of verses in what I posted talked about giving, are
you just repeating what I said for emphasis or are you not
reading what I post?
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: June 8, 2021, 12:24 pm
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Matthew 6:5 “Whenever you pray, you must not be like the
hypocrites, because they love to pray standing in the synagogues
and on the street corners to be seen by people. I assure you:
They’ve got their reward! 6 But when you pray, go into your
private room, shut your door, and pray to your Father who is in
secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.[c] 7
When you pray, don’t babble like the idolaters,[d] since they
imagine they’ll be heard for their many words. 8 Don’t be like
them, because your Father knows the things you need before you
ask Him.
The teaching here about prayer is really at it;s heart,a
teaching about being humble. There is a parable coming up that
will go into more detail but let’s flush out some basics. The
hypocrites stand on the street corner playing long prayers for
the purpose of being seen. They are prideful and arrogant and
self seeking. Communal prayers are not being prohibited here.
James 5:14-16 even calls for communal prayers to be offered up.
(Matthew 18:20; Acts 12:12) Throughout scripture we see
communal prayers being offered up and some are quite long or so
it feels when reading them but they are also full of humility.
Even the Lord’s prayer (Matthew 6:9-15) uses communal words. In
other words, they are not being offered up for show or
arrogance. In fact, length of prayer is a relative thing. My
husband was offering a heartfelt prayer one day while leading
worship. Our then very young son was tired of waiting and stood
on the pew and yelled at the top of his lungs, “amen”. For him,
his dad’s prayer was long and boring.
So if the key here is not the length of prayer but humility why
are we to offer humble prayers. Since God alone sees the heart
and will judge on our words and actions, as our witness, we need
to go before His throne in humility of heart and words. (James
4:10; I Samuel 2:3; Psalms 31:23; Psalms 101:5) If we do not
humble ourselves, (Colossians 3:12; James 4:10) God will humble
us. (Deuteronomy 8:2-3; Isaiah 5:15; Isaiah 10:33; II
Corinthians 12:21) In addition to being our witness, it is the
prayer offered from a humble heart that God hears. (II
Chronicles 7:14; Psalms 10:17) Humility is also said to turn
aways God’s wrath. (II Chronicles 12:12; II Chronicles 32:26)
God absolutely cares whether or not we come to Him in humility.
It is in humility that God can work in us and through us and in
that we will be exalted. (Matthew 23:12) In fact, God is
against the proud. He is in opposition to the proud. (James
4:6; I Peter 5:5-6) It is the arrogant that need to be quiet
for they are the ones that are not afraid to lie and slander
others. (Psalms 31:18) Pride is the downfall of many. (Proverbs
16:18; Malachi 4:1) The proud and boastful cannot stand in His
presence. Such pride and arrogance is in fact sin, the same
thing that separates us from God in the first place. (Psalms
5:5; Proverbs 21:4) In fact, arrogance is one of the sinful
things that man clings to when God gives them over to their own
depravity. (Romans 1:26-32) The pampered and spoiled will
become proud, (Proverbs 29:21) they will never find rest.
(Habakkuk 2:5) The overseer is not to be prideful. (Titus 1:7)
It is not enough to be humble in the eyes of others or compared
to others, the example of humility we are to strive for is that
of Christ Himself. (Philippians 2:8 ) We instead are to offer
prayers that are humble, with few words. (Ecclesiastes 5:2;
Proverbs 10:19)
The teaching ends with our the reason is because our Father
already knows what we need. (as before, when we get to the
actual parable of the Pharisees praying, there is much more to
glean) Which takes us straight into the Lord’s example of how
to pray. Scripture offers enough on prayer to make a whole LONG
study on prayer alone. So we are just scratching the surface
here.
Matthew 6:9 “Therefore, you should pray like this: Our Father
in heaven, Your name be honored as holy.
Our prayers are to include worship, praise, and thanksgiving as
we come before the throne of God in fear of the Lord (Proverbs
9:10) that produces a humility that allows us to come boldly and
with confidence into His presence. (Ephesians 3:12; Hebrews
4:16)
10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in
heaven.
Humility gives control over to God so that He can do what He
wants in us and through us without us getting in the way.
(Ephesians 4:30; Isaiah 63:10; I Thessalonians 5:19)
11 Give us today our daily bread.[e]
We are to ask for what we need while trusting God to provide as
a young child trust his parents. (Matthew 6:34; Luke 12:22;
Philippians 4:6; I Peter 5:7; Matthew 6:8; Luke 12:34; Matthew
4:4;
12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our
debtors.
Scripture talks much about forgiving but maybe the one that
sticks out the most here comes from our previous study, that we
need to forgive even our enemy so that God can forgive us.
(Matthew 5:44; Matthew 6:14-15)
13 And do not bring us into[f] temptation, but deliver us from
the evil one.[g]
[For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever.
Amen.][h]
If our prayer is one of humility, it should be one that is more
concerned about remaining righteous than having the comforts of
the flesh. (James 4:14; Psalms 39:5; Psalms 78:39; Psalms 102:3;
Psalms 144:4)
14 “For if you forgive people their wrongdoing,[i] your heavenly
Father will forgive you as well. 15 But if you don’t forgive
people,[j] your Father will not forgive your wrongdoing
The prayer of both Love and humility is a prayer of
righteousness and all the glory belongs to God never man.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest125 Date: June 8, 2021, 3:50 pm
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1282.msg31247#msg31247
date=1623167473]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg31246#msg31246
date=1623163125]
Are you sitting down? I can only offer an alternative
perspective.
A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give
at all. 'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because
I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to
see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.
So then do they go give anonymously? Sometimes. Some do...
Most do not. The simply excuse themselves and say things like
"I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."
In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice
righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others. -It
says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your
giving or good works. Who cares if someone sees or takes
notice. You can only do so much in secret. Elsewhere scripture
teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be
seen by others. But again, don't let that attention be what
motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to
it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven
for earthly accolades. Bad trade.
The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...
Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is
actually a very old principle in which the right hand is
considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives)
and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand
that receives) --in this the principle is to not consider what
you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.
It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent
way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both
lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
[/quote]Tons of verses in what I posted talked about giving, are
you just repeating what I said for emphasis or are you not
reading what I post?
[/quote]
Is this a trick question?
If I hadn't read what you had wrote, why would I comment on it?
You had said that you were offering your perspective on Matthew
7 (which you referenced as the Parable of the Builders) but not
before explaining what was said in Matthew 6 about giving. You
said- "I suddenly realized that we had to know more in order to
fully understand this parable. We had to know and at least to
some degree understand the teachings that precede this parable."
I guess I was wondering about your "sudden realization"
concerning what it was in the preceding parables (such as the
perspective you offer on Matthew 6) that "we had to know" in
order to fully understand Matthew 7. Secondly, considering what
you said and highlighted about the need to give (and perform
acts of righteousness) in secret... how do you square that idea
in Matt 6, with what precedes it in Matt 5? (where Jesus
teaches about setting your light on a stand in order for others
to see)?
#Post#: 31254--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest8 Date: June 8, 2021, 7:09 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg31253#msg31253
date=1623185448]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1282.msg31247#msg31247
date=1623167473]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg31246#msg31246
date=1623163125]
Are you sitting down? I can only offer an alternative
perspective.
A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give
at all. 'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because
I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to
see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.
So then do they go give anonymously? Sometimes. Some do...
Most do not. The simply excuse themselves and say things like
"I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."
In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice
righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others. -It
says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your
giving or good works. Who cares if someone sees or takes
notice. You can only do so much in secret. Elsewhere scripture
teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be
seen by others. But again, don't let that attention be what
motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to
it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven
for earthly accolades. Bad trade.
The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...
Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is
actually a very old principle in which the right hand is
considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives)
and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand
that receives) --in this the principle is to not consider what
you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.
It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent
way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both
lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
[/quote]Tons of verses in what I posted talked about giving, are
you just repeating what I said for emphasis or are you not
reading what I post?
[/quote]
Is this a trick question?
If I hadn't read what you had wrote, why would I comment on it?
You had said that you were offering your perspective on Matthew
7 (which you referenced as the Parable of the Builders) but not
before explaining what was said in Matthew 6 about giving. You
said- "I suddenly realized that we had to know more in order to
fully understand this parable. We had to know and at least to
some degree understand the teachings that precede this parable."
I guess I was wondering about your "sudden realization"
concerning what it was in the preceding parables (such as the
perspective you offer on Matthew 6) that "we had to know" in
order to fully understand Matthew 7. Secondly, considering what
you said and highlighted about the need to give (and perform
acts of righteousness) in secret... how do you square that idea
in Matt 6, with what precedes it in Matt 5? (where Jesus
teaches about setting your light on a stand in order for others
to see)?
[/quote]whoa!
Blade
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: patrick jane Date: June 8, 2021, 11:24 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg31246#msg31246
date=1623163125]
Are you sitting down? I can only offer an alternative
perspective.
A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give
at all. 'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because
I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to
see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.
So then do they go give anonymously? Sometimes. Some do...
Most do not. The simply excuse themselves and say things like
"I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."
In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice
righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others. -It
says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your
giving or good works. Who cares if someone sees or takes
notice. You can only do so much in secret. Elsewhere scripture
teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be
seen by others. But again, don't let that attention be what
motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to
it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven
for earthly accolades. Bad trade.
The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...
Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is
actually a very old principle in which the right hand is
considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives)
and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand
that receives) --in this the principle is to not consider what
you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.
It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent
way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both
lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
[/quote]I agree, Mr E - Tweedle Deedle Dee
#Post#: 31265--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest125 Date: June 9, 2021, 3:47 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1282.msg31264#msg31264
date=1623212673]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg31246#msg31246
date=1623163125]
Are you sitting down? I can only offer an alternative
perspective.
A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give
at all. 'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because
I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to
see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.
So then do they go give anonymously? Sometimes. Some do...
Most do not. The simply excuse themselves and say things like
"I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."
In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice
righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others. -It
says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your
giving or good works. Who cares if someone sees or takes
notice. You can only do so much in secret. Elsewhere scripture
teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be
seen by others. But again, don't let that attention be what
motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to
it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven
for earthly accolades. Bad trade.
The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...
Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is
actually a very old principle in which the right hand is
considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives)
and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand
that receives) --in this the principle is to not consider what
you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.
It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent
way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both
lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
[/quote]I agree, Mr E - Tweedle Deedle Dee
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You agree with Mr E, Tweedle Deedle Dee.... then you see, you
see.
All that Lori has written can be simplified and amplified and
boiled down and presented by emphasizing just one thing.
Whether you are talking about acts of righteousness, or giving,
or praying out loud.... "to be seen by men" is the one and only
thing that makes what is otherwise good, 'suddenly' NOT good.
And it's not that you are seen that is the problem at all. It's
that that is the reason you did it. It's the one that seeks
recognition, that seeks praise for whatever it is they do (seen
or not) that loses their reward. It has nothing to do with
being seen or not seen, and everything to do with WHY folks do
the things they do.
When he taught us to pray for our daily bread-- it wasn't for
'the things we need' in terms of physical sustinence. This
thinking comes from the most basic and common misunderstanding
of what "bread" is... He isn't speaking of physical bread here
anymore than when he mentions it elsewhere-- or at the least you
have to catch that he is talking about so much more than
physical bread, because--
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be
tempted by the devil. And after He had fasted forty days and
forty nights, He then became hungry. And the tempter came and
said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, command that these
stones become bread.” But He answered and said, “It is written,
‘MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT
PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.’”
This (above) is one of those things that you have to understand,
(like that parable in Matt 13) before you can understand other
things. We know this because he told us this exactly. He said
nothing of the sort concerning Matt 7 (and what Lori calls the
parable of the Builders) but the principle holds true with all
parables so I am looking forward to what Lori might share in
this regard.
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