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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: patrick jane Date: May 19, 2021, 4:33 pm
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1282.msg29639#msg29639
date=1621370707]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg29638#msg29638
date=1621368648]
Nah... not gonna play your silly game Lori. You can flip and
flop. You can cut and paste. You can mince, slice and dice...
but-
THE PASSAGE-- the whole chapter, the beginning, the salt, the
light, and everything that follows is given to highlight the
difference between those that follow his teaching and those that
follow those teachers of the law. This and every parable. "You
have been taught.... BUT I SAY...."
The things you've claimed I said, what? Five times now? -I
never said. I never said the beatitudes were the law. I never
said the law was the salt.
I said the PASSAGE-- the whole thing... is ABOUT the law. If
you can't see it you can't see it. And if you don't see it what
it's about, why do you presume to teach others about things you
don't see, much less understand? You don't see because you
won't look. You don't understand because you won't consider.
So it is.
[/quote]It seems to me that many men on this and other forums do
not understand the difference between study and teaching. What
Lori has done here is study and share with very little
commentary (at the request of another poster). If you have a
problem with her studying then admit it. However, I suggest that
you reread Luke 10:38-42 where Jesus teaches Martha that
learning from Him is better and it will not be taken from her.
Too many men, in their pride desire to teach and presume that
others want to teach as well. Lori simply wants to learn from
Jesus and discuss with other believers His teaching. The entire
Sermon on the Mount is about the law this is true but Lori
states in her subject heading that she is studying parables of
Jesus bit by bit. One of the basics of Exegesis is to begin in
the pericope first and then move out to the broader context. If
you do it the other way around you can read theology into a
passage that is not discussed there but elsewhere. Just a hint
by the way. It is much better to ask a question directly that
you want to discuss rather than being obtuse about the intent of
your fishing expedition.
Brian Bolinger M.Div. Ashland Theological Seminary
Lori's Husband
[/quote]Who requested very little commentary?
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: May 20, 2021, 6:19 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1282.msg29698#msg29698
date=1621460000]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1282.msg29639#msg29639
date=1621370707]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg29638#msg29638
date=1621368648]
Nah... not gonna play your silly game Lori. You can flip and
flop. You can cut and paste. You can mince, slice and dice...
but-
THE PASSAGE-- the whole chapter, the beginning, the salt, the
light, and everything that follows is given to highlight the
difference between those that follow his teaching and those that
follow those teachers of the law. This and every parable. "You
have been taught.... BUT I SAY...."
The things you've claimed I said, what? Five times now? -I
never said. I never said the beatitudes were the law. I never
said the law was the salt.
I said the PASSAGE-- the whole thing... is ABOUT the law. If
you can't see it you can't see it. And if you don't see it what
it's about, why do you presume to teach others about things you
don't see, much less understand? You don't see because you
won't look. You don't understand because you won't consider.
So it is.
[/quote]It seems to me that many men on this and other forums do
not understand the difference between study and teaching. What
Lori has done here is study and share with very little
commentary (at the request of another poster). If you have a
problem with her studying then admit it. However, I suggest that
you reread Luke 10:38-42 where Jesus teaches Martha that
learning from Him is better and it will not be taken from her.
Too many men, in their pride desire to teach and presume that
others want to teach as well. Lori simply wants to learn from
Jesus and discuss with other believers His teaching. The entire
Sermon on the Mount is about the law this is true but Lori
states in her subject heading that she is studying parables of
Jesus bit by bit. One of the basics of Exegesis is to begin in
the pericope first and then move out to the broader context. If
you do it the other way around you can read theology into a
passage that is not discussed there but elsewhere. Just a hint
by the way. It is much better to ask a question directly that
you want to discuss rather than being obtuse about the intent of
your fishing expedition.
Brian Bolinger M.Div. Ashland Theological Seminary
Lori's Husband
[/quote]Who requested very little commentary?
[/quote]No, it was requested I do the study, I refuse to do a
study with a lot of commentary since I want to know what God is
telling us not what man thinks.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: May 22, 2021, 10:47 am
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The Condition of the Heart…
Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to our
ancestors,[e] Do not murder,[f] and whoever murders will be
subject to judgment. 22 But I tell you, everyone who is angry
with his brother[g] will be subject to judgment. And whoever
says to his brother, ‘Fool!’[h] will be subject to the
Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You moron!’ will be subject to
hellfire.[i] 23 So if you are offering your gift on the altar,
and there you remember that your brother has something against
you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go
and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer
your gift. 25 Reach a settlement quickly with your adversary
while you’re on the way with him, or your adversary will hand
you over to the judge, the judge to[j] the officer, and you will
be thrown into prison. 26 I assure you: You will never get out
of there until you have paid the last penny![k]
After Jesus taught the people that He was the fulfillment of
the law and that they too need to live out the law as a
reflection of their faith, He decides to continue teaching on
the law. There are a lot of arguments about which law we are to
obey. So let’s briefly talk about the different laws talked
about in scripture.
The Law of sin and death. Romans 8
The Mosaic Law. Deuteronomy 21-23
The Ten Commandments. Exodus 20
The New Testament Law of Love. Romans 13:8-10; Galatians 5:14;
Matthew 7:12; John 13:34; James 2:8
The command to not murder is found in the Ten Commandments
Deuteronomy 5:17 and Exodus 20:13. This reference makes it
clear that the law Jesus is referring to here is the Ten
Commandments. As Jews, the people would not only be familiar
with the law but it would have been a large part of their
education. So when Jesus teaches, “you have heard it said,”
they would have immediately recognized it as not just a saying
but the law itself.
After reminding the people of the law and the ancestry from
which the law came to them, Jesus clarifies the law for them.
It isn’t just murder that is wrong, but murder that is the very
heart of what you desire. (Genesis 6:5; Genesis 8:21; Matthew
15:19) Man needs a new heart, a clean heart. (Romans 10:9-10;
Psalms 37) All too often, the church teaches belief without
explaining that the belief that saves is indeed a belief of the
heart. If evil resides in our hearts, it is replacing that evil
with God’s Love that holds the power. (Proverbs 4:23; Proverbs
23:19; Deuteronomy 4:9; II Kings 10:31; Matthew 12:34; Matthew
15:18-19; Luke 6:45) It often helps me to understand what this
means by thinking about the difference between setting your mind
to something versus setting your heart to the thing. Setting
your heart to something is a greater commitment that consumes
your whole being whereas setting your mind to something is less
of a commitment, less of a covenant.
To further illustrate the point, Jesus compares murder (the
action) to the feeling of anger. Anger here is not just being
mad, it is the kind of anger that plots and desires evil. God,
Himself gets angry. (Matthew 18:34) The problem is that man’s
anger does not lead to righteousness. (James 1:19-21) We all
have emotions, anger being an emotion is something that will
happen now and again but in that anger, we are not to sin.
(Ephesians 4:26) It seems clear from scripture that anger
itself is not sin but in anger, we often sin.
The point Jesus is making is not about anger but about
unchecked anger that leads us into sins. Not just unchecked
anger but anger without cause. But sin always begins with the
desires of the heart. (James 1:14-15; Genesis 3:6) Since sin
begins in the heart even entertaining desires like anger and
adultery is sinful because it opens the door for even greater
evils. (Matthew 5:22 and Matthew 5:28) The god of this world
uses our lustful desires to try to entice but to sin. (II
Corinthians 4:4; I John 2:16) This is a big deal because even
calling someone a fool/moron is a sinful act that shows anger to
the degree of murder. When I looked into these two words I
found something curious. The first word, Racca or in the HCSB
fool, means idiot, empty-headed, senseless, and worthless. I
think the word worthless gives us a huge clue as to why this is
a big deal since God found us to be so valuable that it cost
Jesus His life. In essence, you are taking away the value God
gave the person from the very beginning. (Matthew 6:26; Matthew
10:31; Matthew 12:12 and 23; Luke 12:24) The result will be
judgment...but not just any old judgment, a judgment equivalent
to that which you gave to your brother. Judgment is God’s
alone, not ours. (Matthew 7:1; Luke 6:37; Romans 2:1; Romans
14:10; and 13; I Corinthians 4:5; James 4:11)
By the same token, if we in our anger call a brother Moros, in
the HCSB Moron we are in danger of hellfire. Moros meaning
foolish but what I found interesting is that it includes the
understanding of something that is godless, those that neglect
and despise what relates to salvation, an expression of
condemnation. In other words, you are issuing condemnation to
the person. Remember all this is happening to the brother we
are angry with for no reason. The same word is used in Matthew
7:26 when talking about building our house upon the sand.
(Matthew 23:17; Matthew 25:2-8; I Corinthians 1:27)
The answer is to forgive but more than just forgiving, (Matthew
6:14-15; Matthew 18:35; Matthew 11:25; Luke 6:37; Ephesians
4:32; Colossians 3:13) reconcile so that God can and will
accept your offering. (II Corinthians 5:11-21; Romans 5:10-11;
Colossians 1:22) This is such a big deal that Jesus tells us we
are not even worthy to make our sacrifices to God while this
anger still separates us from our brother, while our anger
separates us because of unforgiveness and reconciliation.
#Post#: 30066--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: May 25, 2021, 11:36 am
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I've been having computer problems so I will stay on it as best
I can as long as anyone is interested, .this portion offers a
lot of scripture on how to avoid sin, especially sexual sin.
The Condition of the Heart Continued…
Matthew 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, Do not commit
adultery.[l] 28 But I tell you, everyone who looks at a woman to
lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his
heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and
throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts
of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30
And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw
it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts of your
body than for your whole body to go into hell!
“As you have heard”...Jesus is continuing to teach on the law,
but not just the law but the correct understanding of the law.
If you remember, earlier in this study we saw the contrast
between what Jesus was teaching about the law and the legalism
of the Pharisees. Here Jesus continues the teaching that
following, obedience to the law isn’t about the dos and don’t
but about the change in heart that comes when we are restored to
the image of God that sin stole from us. His first teaching
hereon the condition of the heart was about murder.
A brief look at a beautiful woman can cause a man to allow his
thoughts to venture into a fantasy world where he desires the
woman for his own. When that woman is not his bride, the heart
of the law is that the man is committing adultery. This brings
us to the first line of defense we have against falling into the
sin of adultery in our thoughts. Sin begins with evil desires
(James 1:14-15) therefore we need a change of heart, a change
that removes evil desires and replaces them with godly ones.
This change begins with changing our perspective from the flesh
to the spirit through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Psalms 37:4;
Psalms 145:19;Philippians 3:19; Romans 8:5; Galatians 5:17) The
process of controlling our thoughts begins with renewing our
minds in Christ. (Psalms 51:10-12; Romans 12:2; Ephesians 4:23)
It is a process of taking our thoughts captive before they can
become sin. (II Corinthians 10:5) But it isn’t enough to just
take our thoughts captive, we need to replace those thoughts
that lead to sin with the things above. (Colossians 10:5) These
are not the things that life is a bed of roses, but rather the
things of God, goodness, purity, etc. (Philippians 4:8)
After we take our thoughts captive, let us consider contentment.
Ezekiel 16:29-31 tells us about another instance of condemnation
when Jerusalem engaged in tawdry affairs. But even that did not
satisfy the desires of the flesh that they were trying to
satisfy. The people needed to learn what Paul learned, to be
content with what they have been given. (Philippians 4:11-12; I
Timothy 6:6) When our hearts and minds are renewed and focused
on God, the evil desires fade away.
Another aspect of learning to follow the heart of the law when
it comes to the inward man is to crucify the old man, the sinful
desires. (Galatians 5:24; Romans 6:6; Galatians 2:20; Galatians
6:14; Colossians 3:5) It is a cutting away of sinful desires.
(Colossians 2:11) It happens when we abstain from sexual
desires, (I Peter 2:11) yield ourselves to God, (Romans 12:11)
to put on Christ, and make no efforts to indulge in the desires
of the flesh. (Romans 13:9-14; Galatians 5:16; Titus 2:12)
Abstaining from sexual sin is about fleeing that temptation.
Sexual immorality is a sin against our own bodies (I Corinthians
6:18)
With sexual sins being sins against our own bodies it is no
wonder that it is a big deal to God. We as His temple, His
possession, His body, make sexual sins especially problematic to
our Christian walk. (I Corinthians 6:13-19; I Thessalonians 4:3)
Unfortunately, adultery is also equated to that which leads to
idol worship. (Ezekiel 6:9) but is it also not a problem related
to only men or to heterosexual relations or when still married.
(Proverbs 6:25; Romans 1:27; Luke 16:18) Maybe one of the least
talked about but very important aspects of the Christian life is
learning to be self-controlled. Self-control is a fruit of the
Holy Spirit but it is also something we are to work on and learn
in our everyday lives. (Galatians 5:22-23;Acts 24:25; I
Corinthians 7:5-9;I Corinthians 9:25; Titus 2:6; II Peter 1:5-7;
II Timothy 3:2-4) Jesus packs so much in so little that it is
hard to find all the tidbits of truth but one thing is for sure,
Jesus when He taught, taught with an authority that amazed the
people. (Matthew 7:29)
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: patrick jane Date: May 27, 2021, 5:31 pm
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1282.msg29411#msg29411
date=1621109860]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg29348#msg29348
date=1621028351]
Please do follow along Chappy-- and feel free to chime in. Lori
can't seem to find any mention of the Law in Matthew 5.
Maybe you will have better luck.
[/quote]Be careful...I did NOT say that the law was NOT
mentioned, I DID say that the parable of the salt is directed at
the disciples being the salt of the earth, not the law as you
ascribed to.
[/quote] 8)
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest8 Date: May 27, 2021, 9:36 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1282.msg30380#msg30380
date=1622154694]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1282.msg29411#msg29411
date=1621109860]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg29348#msg29348
date=1621028351]
Please do follow along Chappy-- and feel free to chime in. Lori
can't seem to find any mention of the Law in Matthew 5.
Maybe you will have better luck.
[/quote]Be careful...I did NOT say that the law was NOT
mentioned, I DID say that the parable of the salt is directed at
the disciples being the salt of the earth, not the law as you
ascribed to.
[/quote] 8)
[/quote] :)
Blade
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: May 31, 2021, 11:26 am
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Oaths...
Matthew 5:33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to our
ancestors,] You must not break your oath, but you must keep your
oaths to the Lord. 34 But I tell you, don’t take an oath at
all: either by heaven, because it is God’s throne; 35 or by the
earth, because it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, because it
is the city of the great King. 36 Neither should you swear by
your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black.
37 But let your word ‘yes’ be ‘yes,’ and your ‘no’ be ‘no.’[q]
Anything more than this is from the evil one.
I do not think it is a coincidence that Jesus goes from
teaching about divorce straight into a teaching about making
oaths. God takes truth seriously but He also takes oaths and
covenants seriously. So an oath according to definition is a
solemn promise usually with a divine witness. By contrast, a
covenant in scripture is a legally binding agreement. The
teaching here is about oaths not covenants, iow’s an oath is not
a legally binding agreement that falls under different rules.
But we will see in a moment, not so different.
The law teaches that we are not to break an oath. Sounds good,
right?! But Jesus who is teaching the intent of the law says
this, “don’t take an oath at all:” That might seem harsh.
Don’t make a solemn promise at all? What could possibly be
wrong with giving a solemn promise to do something, especially
if it is something for someone else. Jesus reasoning seems a
little odd to me, He says the reason is because by heaven,
because it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, because it is
His footstool; or by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the
great King. Okay, so God owns the heaven’s, the earth, and even
Jerusalem, but what if I make a solemn oath or promise that
isn’t about God at all? Jesus continues, 36 Neither should you
swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white
or black. Now we are getting to the heart of what I discovered
in the teaching. It is not in our power to fulfill such a
promise.
There is a great debate in the church about whether or not God
is sovereign or whether or not that sovereignty means that every
aspect of our lives is controlled by God. We read passages like
Proverbs 16:9 (HCSB) A man's heart plans his way, but the LORD
determines his steps. And wonder if we have any say in how our
lives will go. God definitely has plans and those plans will
not be thwart. (Isaiah 46:11; Numbers 23:19; Isaiah 14:24;
Isaiah 48:14: Job 42:2; Job 25:2; Daniel 4:35) This gives us
part of the reason we are not to make oaths or solemn promises,
because we cannot overturn or override what God is going to do
in us and through us. The other part is that God is our witness.
(Genesis 31:49; Deuteronomy 6:13; Deuteronomy 10:20; I Samuel
20:23; Matthew 5:33) With all authority being Christ’s (Matthew
28:18) and God being both witness and guide we should have
enough reason to not make solemn oaths that we may or may not be
able to follow through with. In fact, He ends by saying, let
your yes be yes and your no be no. In other words, make sure
that you are true to your words and allow God to have the rest.
The teaching is rounded out with an understanding from James.
James 4 13-17 teaches that since we don’t know what will happen
tomorrow, qne since Luke 12:25 teaches that we can’t change our
lives, then we need to say, “If God wills I will>” rather than
saying I will do this or that. When we understand that our lives
are but a vapor, (James 4:13-17; Psalms 39:5) and that God has
all authority, (Romans 13:1; Matthew 11:27; John 3:35) we can
have no reason or right to make oaths. If we let our yes be yes
and our no be no, in other words, speak truth, we are indeed
Loving according to I Corinthians 13 Love, thus fulfilling the
law.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: June 1, 2021, 12:28 pm
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The second mile…
Matthew 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye
and a tooth for a tooth.39 But I tell you, don’t resist an
evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right
cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 As for the one who wants
to sue you and take away your shirt,let him have your coat as
well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him
two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and don’t turn away from
the one who wants to borrow from you.
The first verse gives us a clue as to what Jesus is talking
about here. Many people want to turn this into a thread
demanding all believers be pacifists but that is not what Jesus
is talking about here. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a
tooth is about vengeance. Again, this teaching comes straight
out of the law. (Leviticus 24:19-21) The law required that the
offender repay the one injured. In fact, retribution is not
just about what was taken but interest as well. (Proverbs 6:31)
Remember, Jesus is teaching the law in a way that the people
had never heard before. He is teaching the intent of the law.
By talking about vengeance, we must keep our understanding to
that principle.
The evil doer here is the one that desires to do harm, not that
which is accidental. So if someone intends harm to you, we are
not to resist them. This does not mean as some teach, that we
cannot defend ourselves but rather that we are not to set
ourselves against the one who is desiring to do us harm. Think
here of two aspects of someone wanting to do us harm, let’s say
that someone is trying to steal from us. First we are not to
stand against them, in other words, not do something to continue
the anger and hostility that is bringing the evil into our
lives. Secondly, we are not to retaliate. So let’s see it in
scripture.
If God is giving us the words to speak which is consistent with
the working of the Holy Spirit within our lives, then our
adversaries will have no rebuttal. (Luke 21:15; Acts 6:10;
Romans 9:19) The resisting we are to do is the spiritual
resisting that results when we put on the full armor of God.
(Ephesians 6:13) Since our battle is not physical, our reaction
to it should be spiritual. (Ephesians 6:12) Likewise we are to
resist the devil. (James 4:7) We are not to resist God and the
things of God. (Romans 13:2; II Timothy 4:15; I Peter 5:9)
To understand Jesus better, we can look at the idea of revenge.
We are not to take revenge on those who do us wrong. Vengeance
is best left to God. (Proverbs 20:22; Proverbs 24:29; Proverbs
12:17; Proverbs 12:19) To go a step further, Jesus talks about
how we are not to sue each other. Suing someone in court is to
take the issues between brothers to unbelievers for their
judgment. Instead, if we have an unresolved issue with a
brother, we are to allow the church to judge. (Matthew 18; I
Corinthians 6:1-11) John 18:19-24 gives us a beautiful picture
of the heart of the law in the case of turning the other cheek.
It is the fullness of time and the final days of Jesus' earthly
life are about to come to an end. He is taken before Annas and
there questioned when He answers, one of the guards responds
with a slap to His face. Jesus responded, “23 “If I have spoken
wrongly, give evidence about the wrong; but if rightly, why do
you hit Me?” Jesus did not resist, He simply spoke truth in
Love.
To further clarify the context of Jesus teaching here, we come
to verse 40 and 41 where Jesus is talking about someone
demanding your cloak. (Luke 6:29-30; Proverbs 6:30-31) Often
when studyingI think of real life examples of a Biblical truth.
This is one such time. Brian was in seminary and we were barely
surviving financially. We had 3 small boys and our only car
broke down. We were stuck. A friend who was also in seminary
and not well off had just sold her old car and bought a newer
one. Finding out our situation (we live in an area where
vehicles are pretty much a necessity) she bought back her old
car and gifted it to us. We didn’t ask for it or demand it but
the heart of that dear friend is the same heart we are talking
about here. The heart of giving out of Love. Love puts the
other person above the interest of one Loving another. Love is
going the extra mile, it is giving even when it is hard or
inconvenient. Love does not retaliate but instead, Love helps
the one who desires to do evil by providing for him what he
needs.
#Post#: 30786--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest8 Date: June 1, 2021, 10:17 pm
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1282.msg30704#msg30704
date=1622568519]
The second mile…
Matthew 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye
and a tooth for a tooth. 39 But I tell you, don’t resist an
evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right
cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 As for the one who wants
to sue you and take away your shirt, let him have your coat as
well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him
two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and don’t turn away from
the one who wants to borrow from you.
The first verse gives us a clue as to what Jesus is talking
about here. Many people want to turn this into a thread
demanding all believers be pacifists but that is not what Jesus
is talking about here. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a
tooth is about vengeance. Again, this teaching comes straight
out of the law. (Leviticus 24:19-21) The law required that the
offender repay the one injured. In fact, retribution is not
just about what was taken but interest as well. (Proverbs 6:31)
Remember, Jesus is teaching the law in a way that the people
had never heard before. He is teaching the intent of the law.
By talking about vengeance, we must keep our understanding to
that principle.
The evil doer here is the one that desires to do harm, not that
which is accidental. So if someone intends harm to you, we are
not to resist them. This does not mean as some teach, that we
cannot defend ourselves but rather that we are not to set
ourselves against the one who is desiring to do us harm. Think
here of two aspects of someone wanting to do us harm, let’s say
that someone is trying to steal from us. First we are not to
stand against them, in other words, not do something to continue
the anger and hostility that is bringing the evil into our
lives. Secondly, we are not to retaliate. So let’s see it in
scripture.
If God is giving us the words to speak which is consistent with
the working of the Holy Spirit within our lives, then our
adversaries will have no rebuttal. (Luke 21:15; Acts 6:10;
Romans 9:19) The resisting we are to do is the spiritual
resisting that results when we put on the full armor of God.
(Ephesians 6:13) Since our battle is not physical, our reaction
to it should be spiritual. (Ephesians 6:12) Likewise we are to
resist the devil. (James 4:7) We are not to resist God and the
things of God. (Romans 13:2; II Timothy 4:15; I Peter 5:9)
To understand Jesus better, we can look at the idea of revenge.
We are not to take revenge on those who do us wrong. Vengeance
is best left to God. (Proverbs 20:22; Proverbs 24:29; Proverbs
12:17; Proverbs 12:19) To go a step further, Jesus talks about
how we are not to sue each other. Suing someone in court is to
take the issues between brothers to unbelievers for their
judgment. Instead, if we have an unresolved issue with a
brother, we are to allow the church to judge. (Matthew 18; I
Corinthians 6:1-11) John 18:19-24 gives us a beautiful picture
of the heart of the law in the case of turning the other cheek.
It is the fullness of time and the final days of Jesus' earthly
life are about to come to an end. He is taken before Annas and
there questioned when He answers, one of the guards responds
with a slap to His face. Jesus responded, “23 “If I have spoken
wrongly, give evidence about the wrong; but if rightly, why do
you hit Me?” Jesus did not resist, He simply spoke truth in
Love.
To further clarify the context of Jesus teaching here, we come
to verse 40 and 41 where Jesus is talking about someone
demanding your cloak. (Luke 6:29-30; Proverbs 6:30-31) Often
when studying I think of real life examples of a Biblical truth.
This is one such time. Brian was in seminary and we were
barely surviving financially. We had 3 small boys and our only
car broke down. We were stuck. A friend who was also in
seminary and not well off had just sold her old car and bought a
newer one. Finding out our situation (we live in an area where
vehicles are pretty much a necessity) she bought back her old
car and gifted it to us. We didn’t ask for it or demand it but
the heart of that dear friend is the same heart we are talking
about here. The heart of giving out of Love. Love puts the
other person above the interest of one Loving another. Love is
going the extra mile, it is giving even when it is hard or
inconvenient. Love does not retaliate but instead, Love helps
the one who desires to do evil by providing for him what he
needs.
[/quote]
No why would you mark everything you wrote out?
Blade
#Post#: 30797--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: June 2, 2021, 7:20 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=1282.msg30786#msg30786
date=1622603856]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1282.msg30704#msg30704
date=1622568519]
The second mile…
Matthew 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye
and a tooth for a tooth.39 But I tell you, don’t resist an
evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right
cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 As for the one who wants
to sue you and take away your shirt, let him have your coat as
well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him
two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and don’t turn away from
the one who wants to borrow from you.
The first verse gives us a clue as to what Jesus is talking
about here. Many people want to turn this into a thread
demanding all believers be pacifists but that is not what Jesus
is talking about here. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a
tooth is about vengeance. Again, this teaching comes straight
out of the law. (Leviticus 24:19-21) The law required that the
offender repay the one injured. In fact, retribution is not
just about what was taken but interest as well. (Proverbs 6:31)
Remember, Jesus is teaching the law in a way that the people
had never heard before. He is teaching the intent of the law.
By talking about vengeance, we must keep our understanding to
that principle.
The evil doer here is the one that desires to do harm, not that
which is accidental. So if someone intends harm to you, we are
not to resist them. This does not mean as some teach, that we
cannot defend ourselves but rather that we are not to set
ourselves against the one who is desiring to do us harm. Think
here of two aspects of someone wanting to do us harm, let’s say
that someone is trying to steal from us. First we are not to
stand against them, in other words, not do something to continue
the anger and hostility that is bringing the evil into our
lives. Secondly, we are not to retaliate. So let’s see it in
scripture.
If God is giving us the words to speak which is consistent with
the working of the Holy Spirit within our lives, then our
adversaries will have no rebuttal. (Luke 21:15; Acts 6:10;
Romans 9:19) The resisting we are to do is the spiritual
resisting that results when we put on the full armor of God.
(Ephesians 6:13) Since our battle is not physical, our reaction
to it should be spiritual. (Ephesians 6:12) Likewise we are to
resist the devil. (James 4:7) We are not to resist God and the
things of God. (Romans 13:2; II Timothy 4:15; I Peter 5:9)
To understand Jesus better, we can look at the idea of revenge.
We are not to take revenge on those who do us wrong. Vengeance
is best left to God. (Proverbs 20:22; Proverbs 24:29; Proverbs
12:17; Proverbs 12:19) To go a step further, Jesus talks about
how we are not to sue each other. Suing someone in court is to
take the issues between brothers to unbelievers for their
judgment. Instead, if we have an unresolved issue with a
brother, we are to allow the church to judge. (Matthew 18; I
Corinthians 6:1-11) John 18:19-24 gives us a beautiful picture
of the heart of the law in the case of turning the other cheek.
It is the fullness of time and the final days of Jesus' earthly
life are about to come to an end. He is taken before Annas and
there questioned when He answers, one of the guards responds
with a slap to His face. Jesus responded, “23 “If I have spoken
wrongly, give evidence about the wrong; but if rightly, why do
you hit Me?” Jesus did not resist, He simply spoke truth in
Love.
To further clarify the context of Jesus teaching here, we come
to verse 40 and 41 where Jesus is talking about someone
demanding your cloak. (Luke 6:29-30; Proverbs 6:30-31) Often
when studying I think of real life examples of a Biblical truth.
This is one such time. Brian was in seminary and we were
barely surviving financially. We had 3 small boys and our only
car broke down. We were stuck. A friend who was also in
seminary and not well off had just sold her old car and bought a
newer one. Finding out our situation (we live in an area where
vehicles are pretty much a necessity) she bought back her old
car and gifted it to us. We didn’t ask for it or demand it but
the heart of that dear friend is the same heart we are talking
about here. The heart of giving out of Love. Love puts the
other person above the interest of one Loving another. Love is
going the extra mile, it is giving even when it is hard or
inconvenient. Love does not retaliate but instead, Love helps
the one who desires to do evil by providing for him what he
needs.
[/quote]
No why would you mark everything you wrote out?
Blade
[/quote]I didn't know it was, my computer did this before on
something and it didn't show it here until I restarted my
computer...I will fix it. Thanks for pointing it out.
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