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#Post#: 29348--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
DIR By: guest125
Date: May 14, 2021, 4:39 pm
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Please do follow along Chappy-- and feel free to chime in. Lori
can't seem to find any mention of the Law in Matthew 5.
Maybe you will have better luck.
#Post#: 29409--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
DIR By: guest125
Date: May 15, 2021, 11:44 am
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In teaching what we have come to call 'the beatitudes' he is
presenting ideas that create a contrast between those ideas and
the things the people have been taught. He presents all the
'Blessed are...' statements and then he immediately launches
into an exposé on the law of Moses and in doing so he is
incriminating those experts in the law that he mentions- the
Scribes and Pharisees who were viewed as the top of the heap in
all things religious. They were the lawyers and judges-- think
in terms of the judicial system, and more! From the perspective
of the Jewish people living under this system, those same
leaders were also law enforcement in the most literal sense of
the term. They kept the law, administered it, enforced it,
interpreted it, added to it when they saw fit, judged using it,
sentenced with it and upheld it to the fullest. And, though the
people including those leaders were under Roman rule, it was
these religious leaders who controlled society wielding
religious authority as granted by Rome to maintain order. In
exchange Rome propped up their power and it was through the
temple organization that taxes were collected and with every
exchange of dollars political influence increased and corruption
abounded. That's just how it works. That's how it worked then,
and that's how it works now. Money, bankers, politics, lawyers,
judges, law enforcement, and religion.
Jesus come along and draws a distinction....it's NOT the law, or
keeping the law, or administering the law, or making laws that
make you right before God. It's not riches or power that
demonstrate whom the Father has blessed...
“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.
“Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
“Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for
they shall be satisfied.
“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of
God.
“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of
righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
“Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and
falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
“Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in
the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
You are the salt... the law is NOT the salt. Those scribes
and Pharisees are not the salt.
You are the light... the law is NOT the light. Those scribes
and Pharisees are not the light.
#Post#: 29411--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
DIR By: guest24
Date: May 15, 2021, 3:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
>
> Please do follow along Chappy-- and feel free to chime in.
Lori can't seem to find any mention of the Law in Matthew 5.
>
> Maybe you will have better luck.
>
--- End Quote ---
Be careful...I did NOT say that the law was NOT mentioned, I DID
say that the parable of the salt is directed at the disciples
being the salt of the earth, not the law as you ascribed to.
#Post#: 29412--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
DIR By: guest24
Date: May 15, 2021, 3:21 pm
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--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
>
> In teaching what we have come to call 'the beatitudes' he is
presenting ideas that create a contrast between those ideas and
the things the people have been taught. He presents all the
'Blessed are...' statements and then he immediately launches
into an exposé on the law of Moses and in doing so he is
incriminating those experts in the law that he mentions- the
Scribes and Pharisees who were viewed as the top of the heap in
all things religious. They were the lawyers and judges-- think
in terms of the judicial system, and more! From the perspective
of the Jewish people living under this system, those same
leaders were also law enforcement in the most literal sense of
the term. They kept the law, administered it, enforced it,
interpreted it, added to it when they saw fit, judged using it,
sentenced with it and upheld it to the fullest. And, though the
people including those leaders were under Roman rule, it was
these religious leaders who controlled society wielding
religious authority as granted by Rome to maintain order. In
exchange Rome propped up their power and it was through the
temple organization that taxes were collected and with every
exchange of dollars political influence increased and corruption
abounded. That's just how it works. That's how it worked then,
and that's how it works now. Money, bankers, politics, lawyers,
judges, law enforcement, and religion.
>
> Jesus come along and draws a distinction....it's NOT the law,
or keeping the law, or administering the law, or making laws
that make you right before God. It's not riches or power that
demonstrate whom the Father has blessed...
>
> “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.
> “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
> “Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
> “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.
> “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
> “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
> “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of
God.
> “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of
righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
> “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and
falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
> “Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for
in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before
you.
>
> You are the salt... the law is NOT the salt. Those scribes
and Pharisees are not the salt.
>
> You are the light... the law is NOT the light. Those scribes
and Pharisees are not the light.
>
--- End Quote ---
At the end of this you said the exact same thing I did but then
argue with me over what I said???? Why? What does that gain
you? The parable of the sower is calling the disciples the salt
of the earth, not the law as you claimed above. So what are you
disagreeing with me about if you think that the law is not the
salt...you are making no sense at all.
#Post#: 29417--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
DIR By: guest125
Date: May 15, 2021, 7:50 pm
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Be careful? lol okay.
Lori
Where did I disagree with you? What I said was- "I think you
nailed it Lori."
You have an argumentative spirit. That is your nature. This
observation too, you will argue against. It's okay, I'm used to
it and expect nothing but.
My whole point was in agreement with you. Nowhere did I say (as
you've twice now insisted) that the law was the salt. I said
the opposite, so you can cool yer jets or continue on your merry
way- did you actually want a discussion and folks to contribute
to it, or would you rather not? I'm happy to oblige.
It's one thing to understand what he said and another to
understand why he said it. If you miss the contrast he casts
between those humble in spirit, pure in heart, gentle and so on
versus those law experts, you miss the purpose of the parable.
#Post#: 29419--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 15, 2021, 8:07 pm
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#Post#: 29466--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 15, 2021, 11:39 pm
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Franklin Graham reacts to Biden omitting 'God' from National Day
of Prayer
Biden is the first president to omit the word God from
proclamation; Reverend and Samaritan's Purse President weighs in
5 minutes
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsz0NBaA0lk
#Post#: 29478--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 15, 2021, 11:43 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Franklin Graham reacts to Biden omitting 'God' from National
Day of Prayer
>
>
>
> Biden is the first president to omit the word God from
proclamation; Reverend and Samaritan's Purse President weighs in
>
>
> 5 minutes
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsz0NBaA0lk
>
--- End Quote ---
Unreal. :'(
#Post#: 29554--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
DIR By: guest24
Date: May 17, 2021, 8:10 am
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--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
>
> Be careful? lol okay.
>
> Lori
>
> Where did I disagree with you? What I said was- "I think you
nailed it Lori."
>
> You have an argumentative spirit. That is your nature. This
observation too, you will argue against. It's okay, I'm used to
it and expect nothing but.
>
> My whole point was in agreement with you. Nowhere did I say
(as you've twice now insisted) that the law was the salt. I
said the opposite, so you can cool yer jets or continue on your
merry way- did you actually want a discussion and folks to
contribute to it, or would you rather not? I'm happy to oblige.
>
> It's one thing to understand what he said and another to
understand why he said it. If you miss the contrast he casts
between those humble in spirit, pure in heart, gentle and so on
versus those law experts, you miss the purpose of the parable.
>
--- End Quote ---
I objected to you saying that parable of the salt wasss about
the law when as I pointed out Jesus called the disciples salt
not the law and asked you to prove the salt was the law...if you
were not trying to say the salt was the law then all you had to
do was say I misunderstood what your point was...but you see, by
you ignoring my question about where you see Jesus calling the
law salt, you are the one who is asking for argument...but no
matter, I will take the blame even if it does NOT fit, it's
called love.
Now back to point. When I say I am looking at it bit by bit, it
means that we are not yet to the point about the law. We
haven't even talked about the disciples being the light of the
world yet and what that means. So in effect you are asking me
to ignore my study to look deeper into the parables in exchange
for arguing with you over the law. If you want to talk about
the law, start a thread and invite me...if you want to talk
about how the parable in question addresses the law, start a
thread and invite me. We will get to the rest of the passage,
but when I say bit by bit I mean I am digging deeper into it and
am presenting what I find a little at a time so we can discuss
the deeper things as they come up...at this point, the law has
not come into the study at all.
So if I am argumentative by asking you to show me where Jesus
calling the disciples the salt is Him calling the law the salt,
then tell me what it is that you want to discuss that is off
topic of the construct of the thread so I am at least on board
with what it is you are trying to argue with me over.
#Post#: 29615--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
DIR By: guest24
Date: May 17, 2021, 9:12 am
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against my better judgment since there is so much controversy
over who is the salt of the earth, here is the next BIT
When I study quickly like I am doing here and then go back over
it, I find things I missed that I want to add it, one of those
was who can lose their saltiness, the parable of the sower
seemed to be the best choice for this answer and I put it here
for review. There is much much more in this parable but I think
it best to circle back to it as we make our way through the
parables and so this part is solely about who fits into the
group of the salt of the earth and nothing more.
How does one lose their saltiness? If we look at the
parable of the sower, (Matthew 13:1-30) we see four different
kinds of people. The four groups of people are 1. Those that
hear the word of God, His call on their lives but reject it. In
essence, the unbelievers. This group would not apply to the
disciples and thus we will circle back to it when we really dig
into this parable. The second group is those that hear God’s
calling on their lives and believe but are not watered or rooted
in the word thus quickly die. It could be argued that Judas fit
this category but in light of this passage, Luke 22:3 and John
13:27 it seems more likely to me that Judas fit into the third
group. 3. This is the group that believes and grows but is
thrown by every difficult situation. These are those that
trouble pulls away from the faith through worry and the belief
that God wants to make all their life a bed of roses. In
Matthew 13:36-43 we see that it is the troubles that are sown by
the evil one...which is why it is vitally important for the
believer to know the schemes of satan and how to combat them, to
know how scripture says to avoid being deceived, and to continue
to grow in the faith (trust) of God by building their trust
muscle according to God’s word. It is when we fail in these
things that we too can lose our saltiness and thus become
worthless. The last group, 4. Are those that remain faithful
and growing in faith.
Now just a quick side note. Jesus is definitely speaking to
the disciples in the parable of the salt but I believe from
context and totality of scripture it is referring to all true
believers thus these words of causation should be taken
seriously by all of us. More to come on this great parable as
we move through the parables. There are some great things in
this that we should talk about and incorporate into our daily
lives.
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