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Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: May 13, 2021, 6:37 am
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Parables of Jesus...salt.
Matthew 5...13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt
should lose its taste, how can it be made salty? It’s no longer
good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled on by men.
The salt of the earth…
Salt is an interesting nutrient. It can both heal and kill or
make ill. It is a preservative and at the same time gives flavor
to that which it is added. Salt is good for your brain, your
heart, your muscles, your oral health, water balance, and
digestion. It cleanses, is antibacterial, and has antiseptic
qualities. So when Jesus uses the term, “you are the salt of
the earth”, there is a lot that goes into the statement that can
easily be overlooked in a rush to understand His intended
meaning.
In Exodus 19:26 we see that incense was to be made and to that
was added salt. This incense was both pure and holy and not to
be used for any purpose but to offer it to God. Salt was even
to be mixed with grain offerings. (Leviticus 2) There is also a
covenant of salt talked about in scripture (Numbers 18:19; II
Chronicles 13:5) In Deuteronomy 29:23 the burning waste of
sulfur and salt is a representation of God’s anger. We see salt
referring to healing in II Kings 2:19-21 and Ezekiel 16:4. Mark
9:49 offers an interesting comment about how everyone will be
salted with fire. And then goes on to talk about what if salt
loses its flavor. (Mark 9:49 (HCSB) 49 For everyone will be
salted with fire. 50 Salt is good, but if the salt should lose
its flavor, how can you make it salty? Have salt among
yourselves and be at peace with one another.”) It is hard to
understand how something salted with fire can lose its flavor
but maybe the answer to this riddle is at the end of the verse
where we are told that salt should lead us to be at peace with
one another. One of the common uses for salt in Biblical days
was that it was an indication of fine food. IOW’s when one was
sharing in the dining experience with a friend they used salt on
their food thus it was sort of like a symbol of friendship. Job
6:6 also talks about the flavor of salt as does Luke 14:34.
Even the Roman soldiers were paid in salt since salt was so
valuable to society.
Two additional things I think will help our understanding of
the parable of the salt are found in how it informs our
understanding of covenant and speech. As a covenant, salt,
because of its preservative nature symbolizes the binding nature
of a covenant whereas as a seasoning, it symbolizes friendship
and community. It is a picture of that which preserves combined
with compassion. The Strong’s online Bible dictionary talks
about salt representing wisdom with grace when it comes to our
speech. In fact, James 3:12 talks about salt in relation to our
language. We are told about the need to tame the tongue. Some
of the characteristics of that are 1. We cannot change ourselves
2. Wisdom and understanding are shown in how we conduct our
lives and with the wisdom and gentleness, we show. 3. It
requires an examination of self and a refusal to deny things
that linger in the old man like bragging, envy, and selfish
ambitions. In fact, these things bring disorder and evil and
God wants order not chaos. (I Corinthians 14:40; I Corinthians
14:33; Colossians 2:5) The wisdom that should be the salt of
our speech is that which is pure, peace-loving, gentle, full of
mercy and good fruit, not showing favoritism or hypocrisy. I
especially like James 3:18 (HCSB) 18 And the fruit of
righteousness is sown in peace by those who cultivate peace.
Peace and righteousness go hand in hand, especially when talking
about how we are to live as salt to the world.
Another passage of interest in learning what the parable of the
salt means is found in Colossians 4:2-6. From this passage, we
can learn that being salt to or in the world involves devoting
ourselves to prayer, staying alert with thanksgiving, praying
that the door would be opened to share the gospel. We see that
acting wisely comes back up as we are to act wisely to
outsiders, making the most of the time we have. Our speech once
again is to be gracious and ready to give an answer. (I Peter
3:15; Proverbs 15:28; Proverbs 22:21; Colossians 4:6; II Timothy
2:25)
In Matthew 5 we see Jesus speaking to a crowd of people. His
message is that of the famous beatitudes. Immediately after He
gives this parable...Matthew 5:13 “You are the salt of the
earth. But if the salt should lose its taste, how can it be made
salty? It’s no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and
trampled on by men. The audience listening would have been very
familiar with the uses for salt as well as their significance to
the law and sacrifices. When we consider that salt is a
preservative and that the gospel message of Christ preserves
life through salvation, it would seem logical that one of the
aspects of being the salt of the world is that of preaching the
gospel message of Christ but as a seasoning shared in
friendship, it is a message that should be shared with
compassion, grace, wisdom, and grace.
What happens then when we fail in this calling to be the salt
of the earth, those who seek peace? We are no longer useful.
(II Corinthians 5:20; II Corinthians 6:1; Ephesians 6:20;
Malachi 2:1-9) We are the ambassadors for Christ and thus
living a life that exemplifies that in the world is our duty
here on earth.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest125 Date: May 13, 2021, 11:01 am
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Did I miss it?
I read it fast, so if I missed it please point me back to where
you answered the question he posed?
"If salt loses it's saltiness, can it be made salty again?" He
seemed to be saying 'no.' It becomes no good-- throw it out...
It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and
trampled under foot by men.
Do you agree or disagree? And what was he talking about
exactly?
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: May 13, 2021, 12:12 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg29287#msg29287
date=1620921704]
Did I miss it?
I read it fast, so if I missed it please point me back to where
you answered the question he posed?
"If salt loses it's saltiness, can it be made salty again?" He
seemed to be saying 'no.' It becomes no good-- throw it out...
It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and
trampled under foot by men.
Do you agree or disagree? And what was he talking about
exactly?
HTML https://youtu.be/OgtQj8O92eI
[/quote] What happens then when we fail in this calling to be
the salt of the earth, those who seek peace? We are no longer
useful. (II Corinthians 5:20; II Corinthians 6:1; Ephesians
6:20; Malachi 2:1-9) We are the ambassadors for Christ and thus
living a life that exemplifies that in the world is our duty
here on earth.
I also realized I didn't talk about how one becomes useless so I
am working on that part, starting with the parable of the sower
and moving on from there, then I will be looking into being the
light...
and yes, I believe what scripture says.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest125 Date: May 13, 2021, 3:15 pm
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I think you nailed it Lori.
It's not so much about "saltiness" per se, as it is about
"usefulness" -for what good is salt that is no longer salty?
It's value, is in it's purpose.
In the passage/parable you reference Jesus is clearly pointing
at the law of Moses as that thing that lost it's value and is no
longer worth anything (except to be trod upon). Similarly Paul,
as you note in 2 Corinthians is referencing our earthly tents as
that thing that once worn out are no longer of value. We can
talk a great deal about the purpose and properties of salt, but
that's sidestepping the actual subject matter of each reference
in favor of those characteristics that we all recognize as what
gives "salt" it's value.
The conversation includes salt, but goes much deeper and beyond
salt.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: patrick jane Date: May 13, 2021, 4:51 pm
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Ground pepper
#Post#: 29337--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: May 14, 2021, 12:07 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg29290#msg29290
date=1620936908]
I think you nailed it Lori.
It's not so much about "saltiness" per se, as it is about
"usefulness" -for what good is salt that is no longer salty?
It's value, is in it's purpose.
In the passage/parable you reference Jesus is clearly pointing
at the law of Moses as that thing that lost it's value and is no
longer worth anything (except to be trod upon). [/quote] where
do you get that it is talking about the law of Moses when it
talks about the disciples being the salt? If the disciples are
the salt of the earth, are they the law? [quote] Similarly Paul,
as you note in 2 Corinthians is referencing our earthly tents as
that thing that once worn out are no longer of value. We can
talk a great deal about the purpose and properties of salt, but
that's sidestepping the actual subject matter of each reference
in favor of those characteristics that we all recognize as what
gives "salt" it's value.
[/quote] actually, I would say that it is the purpose for which
God created man that gives us our value, but that goes back to
why or how you see the disciples being salt is actually the law
of Moses being the salt...I'm anxious to have you unravel this
mystery for me. [quote]
The conversation includes salt, but goes much deeper and beyond
salt.
[/quote]
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: May 14, 2021, 12:08 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1282.msg29291#msg29291
date=1620942672]
Ground pepper
[/quote]salt, pepper and garlic are our go to spices...can't
forget the garlic.
#Post#: 29339--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest125 Date: May 14, 2021, 12:12 pm
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You read the passage you are pointing to right?
What is it about? No mystery. It's about the law. The whole
section.
Jesus is teaching that the law is NOT the preservative, the
seasoning, the cure or the thing of value.
YOU ARE.
13 “You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become
tasteless, how 6 can it be made salty again? It is no longer
good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under
foot by men.
14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a 7 hill
cannot be hidden; 15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it
under a 8 basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to
all who are in the house. 16 “Let your light shine before men in
such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your
Father who is in heaven.
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the
Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 “For
truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not 9 the
smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is
accomplished. 19 “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these
commandments, and teaches 10 others to do the same, shall be
called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever 11 keeps and
teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses
that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the
kingdom of heaven.
Personal Relationships
21 “You have heard that 12 the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL
NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be 13
liable to the court.’ 22 “But I say to you that everyone who is
angry with his brother shall be 14 guilty before the court; and
whoever says to his brother, ‘15 You good-for-nothing,’ shall be
16 guilty before 17 the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You
fool,’ shall be 18 guilty enough to go into the 19 fiery hell.
23 “Therefore if you are presenting your 20 offering at the
altar, and there remember that your brother has something
against you, 24 leave your 21 offering there before the altar
and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and
present your 22 offering. 25 “Make friends quickly with your
opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your
opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to
the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 “Truly I say to
you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the
last 23 cent.
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT
ADULTERY’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a
woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her
in his heart. 29 “If your right eye makes you 24 stumble, tear
it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you 25 to
lose one of the parts of your body, 26 than for your whole body
to be thrown into 27 hell. 30 “If your right hand makes you 28
stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for
you 29 to lose one of the parts of your body, 30 than for your
whole body to go into 31 hell.
31 “It was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER
A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who
32 divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes
her commit adultery; and whoever marries a 33 divorced woman
commits adultery.
33 “Again, you have heard that 34 the ancients were told, ‘35
YOU SHALL NOT 36 MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR 37 VOWS
TO THE LORD.’ 34 “But I say to you, make no oath at all, either
by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for
it is the footstool of His feet, or 38 by Jerusalem, for it is
THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36 “Nor shall you make an oath by
your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 “But
let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond
these is 39 of evil.
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A
TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39 “But I say to you, do not resist an evil
person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the
other to him also. 40 “If anyone wants to sue you and take your
40 shirt, let him have your 41 coat also. 41 “Whoever 42 forces
you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 “Give to him who asks of
you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR
NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44 “But I say to you, love your
enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may
43 be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His
sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the
righteous and the unrighteous. 46 “For if you love those who
love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax
collectors do the same? 47 “If you greet only your brothers,
what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do
the same? 48 “Therefore 44 you are to be perfect, as your
heavenly Father is perfect.
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest24 Date: May 14, 2021, 3:04 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1282.msg29339#msg29339
date=1621012336]
You read the passage you are pointing to right?
What is it about? No mystery. It's about the law. The whole
section.
Jesus is teaching that the law is NOT the preservative, the
seasoning, the cure or the thing of value.
YOU ARE.
13 “You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become
tasteless, how 6 can it be made salty again? It is no longer
good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under
foot by men.
14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a 7 hill
cannot be hidden; 15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it
under a 8 basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to
all who are in the house. 16 “Let your light shine before men in
such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your
Father who is in heaven.
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the
Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 “For
truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not 9 the
smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is
accomplished. 19 “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these
commandments, and teaches 10 others to do the same, shall be
called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever 11 keeps and
teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses
that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the
kingdom of heaven.
Personal Relationships
21 “You have heard that 12 the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL
NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be 13
liable to the court.’ 22 “But I say to you that everyone who is
angry with his brother shall be 14 guilty before the court; and
whoever says to his brother, ‘15 You good-for-nothing,’ shall be
16 guilty before 17 the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You
fool,’ shall be 18 guilty enough to go into the 19 fiery hell.
23 “Therefore if you are presenting your 20 offering at the
altar, and there remember that your brother has something
against you, 24 leave your 21 offering there before the altar
and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and
present your 22 offering. 25 “Make friends quickly with your
opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your
opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to
the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 “Truly I say to
you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the
last 23 cent.
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT
ADULTERY’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a
woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her
in his heart. 29 “If your right eye makes you 24 stumble, tear
it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you 25 to
lose one of the parts of your body, 26 than for your whole body
to be thrown into 27 hell. 30 “If your right hand makes you 28
stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for
you 29 to lose one of the parts of your body, 30 than for your
whole body to go into 31 hell.
31 “It was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER
A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who
32 divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes
her commit adultery; and whoever marries a 33 divorced woman
commits adultery.
33 “Again, you have heard that 34 the ancients were told, ‘35
YOU SHALL NOT 36 MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR 37 VOWS
TO THE LORD.’ 34 “But I say to you, make no oath at all, either
by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for
it is the footstool of His feet, or 38 by Jerusalem, for it is
THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36 “Nor shall you make an oath by
your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 “But
let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond
these is 39 of evil.
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A
TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39 “But I say to you, do not resist an evil
person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the
other to him also. 40 “If anyone wants to sue you and take your
40 shirt, let him have your 41 coat also. 41 “Whoever 42 forces
you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 “Give to him who asks of
you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR
NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44 “But I say to you, love your
enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may
43 be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His
sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the
righteous and the unrighteous. 46 “For if you love those who
love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax
collectors do the same? 47 “If you greet only your brothers,
what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do
the same? 48 “Therefore 44 you are to be perfect, as your
heavenly Father is perfect.
[/quote]actually He is teaching the beatitudes....are the
beatitudes the Law of Moses in your way of thinking? He taught
the beatitudes then pulled the disciples aside and said, "YOU
are the salt of the world"...what part of that says the law to
you? When did the disciples become the Law of Moses?
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Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
By: guest116 Date: May 14, 2021, 3:12 pm
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