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Re: something curious...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 1, 2021, 7:43 am
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> In a discussion, I was in about trinity something curious came
up...I would like to hear you alls thoughts on it but I do NOT
want another of the proof text debates about trinity so please
curb your insistence to make this about more arguing over the
same old tired passages and address what this tells us or what
you make of it.
>
>
>
> In Gen. we are told that God made man in HIs image...that
would be for those that have trouble sometimes, in God's own
image. Genesis 1:27
>
> Then in Philippians 2, God made Jesus in man's image...why the
difference? and does I Corinthians 15:49 have anything to do
with the reason for the difference? Philippians 2:7
>
>
>
> Curious...very curious....
>
--- End Quote ---
Posted by Tambora on Theology Forums
Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai (lived in 1st and 2nd century) wrote a
fascinating passage recorded in the Zohar that is as clear a
discussion of the mystery of the Trinity as you could find in
any Christian theology text. Rabbi Simeon comments on the text
found in Deuteronomy 32:39: "See now that I, I am he, and Elohim
is not with me."
He said: "Friends, here are some profound mysteries which I
desire to reveal to you now that permission has been given to
utter them. Who is it that says, 'See now that I, I am He?' This
is the Cause which is above all those on high, that which is
called the Cause of causes. It is above those other causes,
since none of those causes does anything till it obtains
permission from that which is above it, as we pointed out above
in respect to the expression, 'Let us make man.' 'Us' certainly
refers to two, of which one said to the other above it, 'Let us
make,' nor did it do anything save with the permission and
direction of the one above it, while the one above did nothing
without consulting its colleague.
But that which is called 'the Cause above all causes,' which has
no superior or even equal, as it is written, 'To whom shall ye
liken me, that I should be equal?' (referring to Isaiah 40:25),
said, 'See now that I, I am he, and Elohim is not with me,' from
whom he should take counsel, like that of which it is written,
'and God said, Let us make man.'"
How can they (the three) be One? Are they verily One, because we
call them One ?
How Three can be One, can only be known through the revelation
of the Holy Spirit.
- Zohar, vol. ii. p. 43, versa., 22.
Come and see the mystery of the word hwhy, Jehova: there are
three steps, each existing by itself; nevertheless they are One,
and so united that one cannot be separated from the other.
- Zohar, vol. iii. Amsterdam edition. 65
The Ancient Holy One is revealed with three Heads, which are
united in One, and that Head is thrice exalted. The Ancient Holy
one is described as being Three; it is because the other Lights
emanating from Him are included in the Three. Yet the Ancient
One is described as being two. The Ancient One includes these
two. He is the Crown of all that is exalted; the Chief of the
chief, so exalted, that He cannot be known to perfection. Thus
the other lights are two complete ones, yet is the Ancient Holy
One described complete as one, and He is one, positively one;
thus are the other lights united and glorified in because they
are one.
- Zohar, vol. iii. Amsterdam edition. 288
A book written by Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai, known as The
Propositions of the Zohar, records the mystery of the Shechinah
glory of God in these words.
. . . the exalted Shechinah comprehends the Three highest
Sephiroth; of Him (God) it is said, (Ps. lxii. 12), "God hath
spoken once; twice have I heard this." Once and twice means the
Three exalted Sephiroth, of whom it is said: Once, once, and
once; that is, Three united in One. This is the mystery.
- Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai, The Propositions of the Zohar, cap.
38, Amsterdam edition. 113
Another famous Jewish scholar, Rabbi Eliezer Hakkalir, who lived
at the time of Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai, also taught the
scriptural doctrine that there were three distinct Beings
revealed in the one unified Godhead. In his commentary on
Genesis 1:1, Rabbi Hakkalir wrote the following:
When God created the world, He created it through the Three
Sephiroth, namely, through Sepher, Sapher and Vesaphur, by which
the Three twywh (Beings) are meant . . . The Rabbi, my Lord
Teacher of blessed memory, explained Sepher, Sapher, and Sippur,
to be synonymous to Ja, Jehovah, and Elohim meaning to say, that
the world was created by these three names.
#Post#: 30702--------------------------------------------------
Re: something curious...
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 1, 2021, 11:15 am
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
> In Gen. we are told that God made man in HIs image...that
would be for those that have trouble sometimes, in God's own
image. Genesis 1:27Then in Philippians 2, God made Jesus in
man's image...why the difference? ..
>
--- End Quote ---
For me, image is all about relationships...who can we relate to
as someone who is just like us? That "who we are" is called our
image. And the ultimate relationship we can have with other is
called marriage so for us to be in HIS image is to say we are
suitable marriage partners.
For Christ to be made our image is to say that we can relate to
Him, His suffering and His love and to know that He can relate
to our sinfulness and suffering.
#Post#: 30703--------------------------------------------------
Re: something curious...
DIR By: guest24
Date: June 1, 2021, 12:01 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1262.msg28181#msg28181
date=1617632903]In Gen. we are told that God made man in HIs
image...that would be for those that have trouble sometimes, in
God's own image. Genesis 1:27Then in Philippians 2, God made
Jesus in man's image...why the difference? ..
>
--- End Quote ---
For me, image is all about relationships...who can we relate to
as someone who is just like us? That "who we are" is called our
image. And the ultimate relationship we can have with other is
called marriage so for us to be in HIS image is to say we are
suitable marriage partners.
For Christ to be made our image is to say that we can relate to
Him, His suffering and His love and to know that He can relate
to our sinfulness and suffering.
[/quote]How can you relate to the One who took our sin upon
Himself as well as the sin of the whole world?
#Post#: 30791--------------------------------------------------
Re: something curious...
DIR By: guest8
Date: June 1, 2021, 10:29 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=Ted T. link=topic=1262.msg30702#msg30702
date=1622564108]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1262.msg28181#msg28181
date=1617632903]In Gen. we are told that God made man in HIs
image...that would be for those that have trouble sometimes, in
God's own image. Genesis 1:27Then in Philippians 2, God made
Jesus in man's image...why the difference? ..
>
--- End Quote ---
For me, image is all about relationships...who can we relate to
as someone who is just like us? That "who we are" is called our
image. And the ultimate relationship we can have with other is
called marriage so for us to be in HIS image is to say we are
suitable marriage partners.
For Christ to be made our image is to say that we can relate to
Him, His suffering and His love and to know that He can relate
to our sinfulness and suffering.
[/quote]How can you relate to the One who took our sin upon
Himself as well as the sin of the whole world?
[/quote]
because He became "SIN" for us. He related to us. Can it not be
reciprocal?
Blade
#Post#: 30795--------------------------------------------------
Re: something curious...
DIR By: guest24
Date: June 2, 2021, 7:16 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1262.msg30703#msg30703
date=1622566913]
> [quote author=Ted T. link=topic=1262.msg30702#msg30702
date=1622564108]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1262.msg28181#msg28181
date=1617632903]In Gen. we are told that God made man in HIs
image...that would be for those that have trouble sometimes, in
God's own image. Genesis 1:27Then in Philippians 2, God made
Jesus in man's image...why the difference? ..
>
--- End Quote ---
For me, image is all about relationships...who can we relate to
as someone who is just like us? That "who we are" is called our
image. And the ultimate relationship we can have with other is
called marriage so for us to be in HIS image is to say we are
suitable marriage partners.
For Christ to be made our image is to say that we can relate to
Him, His suffering and His love and to know that He can relate
to our sinfulness and suffering.
[/quote]How can you relate to the One who took our sin upon
Himself as well as the sin of the whole world?
[/quote]
because He became "SIN" for us. He related to us. Can it not be
reciprocal?
Blade
[/quote]I will let Jesus answer that for me...Hebrews 12:4 Ye
have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
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