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#Post#: 27158--------------------------------------------------
What is your value?
By: guest24 Date: March 19, 2021, 8:54 am
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I'm gonna try this one by starting with a story.
Yesterday we were at a funeral and had an opportunity to talk
with extended family. With the whole covid thing, of course the
conversation centered around such things...well, I was already
at that point struggling to breath because of the chemicals so
the issue became a point of conversation. I told them how bad
it was, that I couldn't even get the mail without risking my
life to a reaction to the chemicals in the inks. Then I
continued to explain the worst is the flyers. In fact, the
fliers are so bad that we asked the mail carrier to not deliver
them because I have such a violent reaction, it is life
threatening. The mail carrier told me that we needed to talk to
the main post office so that even subs didn't deliver. So we
went to the main post office and they told us they couldn't stop
the delivery because they get paid to deliver it. Now years ago
my husband delivierd papers and they paid the carriers all of
one penny for delivering a paper. Did you catch that? The rate
years ago was them saying that my life was not worth even one
penny. Even if they are making 10 cents a paper, my life didn't
mean as much as 10 cents .....and we wonder why people become
depressed and hurt and even become suicidal. Is it any wonder
why Love is so important and understanding the Love value God
puts on us is vital to our lives and changes us? Unfortunately,
it isn't just the world that says I am not even worth 10 cents,
but the church often delivers the same message. Even the
material makeup is worth more than what they were willing to put
on my life.
So this thread is about Love and the value we place on others
and it is a challenge to think before we speak or act about what
we are telling others about their value! It is NOT a thread
where I am asking you to put a value on me, that is a whole
different matter and just because I told a story to illustrate a
point does not make ME the point.
#Post#: 27159--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is your value?
By: patrick jane Date: March 19, 2021, 9:05 am
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1249.msg27158#msg27158
date=1616162093]
I'm gonna try this one by starting with a story.
Yesterday we were at a funeral and had an opportunity to talk
with extended family. With the whole covid thing, of course the
conversation centered around such things...well, I was already
at that point struggling to breath because of the chemicals so
the issue became a point of conversation. I told them how bad
it was, that I couldn't even get the mail without risking my
life to a reaction to the chemicals in the inks. Then I
continued to explain the worst is the flyers. In fact, the
fliers are so bad that we asked the mail carrier to not deliver
them because I have such a violent reaction, it is life
threatening. The mail carrier told me that we needed to talk to
the main post office so that even subs didn't deliver. So we
went to the main post office and they told us they couldn't stop
the delivery because they get paid to deliver it. Now years ago
my husband delivierd papers and they paid the carriers all of
one penny for delivering a paper. Did you catch that? The rate
years ago was them saying that my life was not worth even one
penny. Even if they are making 10 cents a paper, my life didn't
mean as much as 10 cents .....and we wonder why people become
depressed and hurt and even become suicidal. Is it any wonder
why Love is so important and understanding the Love value God
puts on us is vital to our lives and changes us? Unfortunately,
it isn't just the world that says I am not even worth 10 cents,
but the church often delivers the same message. Even the
material makeup is worth more than what they were willing to put
on my life.
So this thread is about Love and the value we place on others
and it is a challenge to think before we speak or act about what
we are telling others about their value! It is NOT a thread
where I am asking you to put a value on me, that is a whole
different matter and just because I told a story to illustrate a
point does not make ME the point.
[/quote]I suppose I have trouble assessing the "value" of others
especially people I don't know or have never met. I see the
value and find value in personal face to face interactions, not
phones or internet chats. In addition, I don't actually "value"
my own worth or my life. I'm not "special" and too many people
today had "mommy" tell them how special and unique they are and
thus they become self absorbed and the world revolves around
them. We are all equal and we're all in the same boat. Do good,
love others and love God, that's the best we can do. This world
has no value. I have value to God alone.
#Post#: 27160--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is your value?
By: guest24 Date: March 19, 2021, 10:05 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1249.msg27159#msg27159
date=1616162733]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1249.msg27158#msg27158
date=1616162093]
I'm gonna try this one by starting with a story.
Yesterday we were at a funeral and had an opportunity to talk
with extended family. With the whole covid thing, of course the
conversation centered around such things...well, I was already
at that point struggling to breath because of the chemicals so
the issue became a point of conversation. I told them how bad
it was, that I couldn't even get the mail without risking my
life to a reaction to the chemicals in the inks. Then I
continued to explain the worst is the flyers. In fact, the
fliers are so bad that we asked the mail carrier to not deliver
them because I have such a violent reaction, it is life
threatening. The mail carrier told me that we needed to talk to
the main post office so that even subs didn't deliver. So we
went to the main post office and they told us they couldn't stop
the delivery because they get paid to deliver it. Now years ago
my husband delivierd papers and they paid the carriers all of
one penny for delivering a paper. Did you catch that? The rate
years ago was them saying that my life was not worth even one
penny. Even if they are making 10 cents a paper, my life didn't
mean as much as 10 cents .....and we wonder why people become
depressed and hurt and even become suicidal. Is it any wonder
why Love is so important and understanding the Love value God
puts on us is vital to our lives and changes us? Unfortunately,
it isn't just the world that says I am not even worth 10 cents,
but the church often delivers the same message. Even the
material makeup is worth more than what they were willing to put
on my life.
So this thread is about Love and the value we place on others
and it is a challenge to think before we speak or act about what
we are telling others about their value! It is NOT a thread
where I am asking you to put a value on me, that is a whole
different matter and just because I told a story to illustrate a
point does not make ME the point.
[/quote]I suppose I have trouble assessing the "value" of others
especially people I don't know or have never met. I see the
value and find value in personal face to face interactions, not
phones or internet chats. In addition, I don't actually "value"
my own worth or my life. I'm not "special" and too many people
today had "mommy" tell them how special and unique they are and
thus they become self absorbed and the world revolves around
them. We are all equal and we're all in the same boat. Do good,
love others and love God, that's the best we can do. This world
has no value. I have value to God alone.
[/quote]I have a friend from high school that long story married
someone who was not very nice to her (I wouldn't say out and out
abuse but bordering on verbal abuse) anyway, some told me once
that she married him because she didn't think she was worth
more...and the sad thing, I always thought she was one of the
"upper crest" of society.
#Post#: 27162--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is your value?
By: guest8 Date: March 19, 2021, 11:50 am
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1249.msg27160#msg27160
date=1616166355]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1249.msg27159#msg27159
date=1616162733]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1249.msg27158#msg27158
date=1616162093]
I'm gonna try this one by starting with a story.
Yesterday we were at a funeral and had an opportunity to talk
with extended family. With the whole covid thing, of course the
conversation centered around such things...well, I was already
at that point struggling to breath because of the chemicals so
the issue became a point of conversation. I told them how bad
it was, that I couldn't even get the mail without risking my
life to a reaction to the chemicals in the inks. Then I
continued to explain the worst is the flyers. In fact, the
fliers are so bad that we asked the mail carrier to not deliver
them because I have such a violent reaction, it is life
threatening. The mail carrier told me that we needed to talk to
the main post office so that even subs didn't deliver. So we
went to the main post office and they told us they couldn't stop
the delivery because they get paid to deliver it. Now years ago
my husband delivierd papers and they paid the carriers all of
one penny for delivering a paper. Did you catch that? The rate
years ago was them saying that my life was not worth even one
penny. Even if they are making 10 cents a paper, my life didn't
mean as much as 10 cents .....and we wonder why people become
depressed and hurt and even become suicidal. Is it any wonder
why Love is so important and understanding the Love value God
puts on us is vital to our lives and changes us? Unfortunately,
it isn't just the world that says I am not even worth 10 cents,
but the church often delivers the same message. Even the
material makeup is worth more than what they were willing to put
on my life.
So this thread is about Love and the value we place on others
and it is a challenge to think before we speak or act about what
we are telling others about their value! It is NOT a thread
where I am asking you to put a value on me, that is a whole
different matter and just because I told a story to illustrate a
point does not make ME the point.
[/quote]I suppose I have trouble assessing the "value" of others
especially people I don't know or have never met. I see the
value and find value in personal face to face interactions, not
phones or internet chats. In addition, I don't actually "value"
my own worth or my life. I'm not "special" and too many people
today had "mommy" tell them how special and unique they are and
thus they become self absorbed and the world revolves around
them. We are all equal and we're all in the same boat. Do good,
love others and love God, that's the best we can do. This world
has no value. I have value to God alone.
[/quote]I have a friend from high school that long story married
someone who was not very nice to her (I wouldn't say out and out
abuse but bordering on verbal abuse) anyway, some told me once
that she married him because she didn't think she was worth
more...and the sad thing, I always thought she was one of the
"upper crest" of society.
[/quote]
that borders on self-esteem not a value of ones self...DO you
like yourself. Have you forgiven yourself for if you cannot
forgive yourself, then how can you expect GOD to forgive you.,
Blade
#Post#: 27163--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is your value?
By: guest24 Date: March 19, 2021, 12:23 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=1249.msg27162#msg27162
date=1616172642]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1249.msg27160#msg27160
date=1616166355]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1249.msg27159#msg27159
date=1616162733]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1249.msg27158#msg27158
date=1616162093]
I'm gonna try this one by starting with a story.
Yesterday we were at a funeral and had an opportunity to talk
with extended family. With the whole covid thing, of course the
conversation centered around such things...well, I was already
at that point struggling to breath because of the chemicals so
the issue became a point of conversation. I told them how bad
it was, that I couldn't even get the mail without risking my
life to a reaction to the chemicals in the inks. Then I
continued to explain the worst is the flyers. In fact, the
fliers are so bad that we asked the mail carrier to not deliver
them because I have such a violent reaction, it is life
threatening. The mail carrier told me that we needed to talk to
the main post office so that even subs didn't deliver. So we
went to the main post office and they told us they couldn't stop
the delivery because they get paid to deliver it. Now years ago
my husband delivierd papers and they paid the carriers all of
one penny for delivering a paper. Did you catch that? The rate
years ago was them saying that my life was not worth even one
penny. Even if they are making 10 cents a paper, my life didn't
mean as much as 10 cents .....and we wonder why people become
depressed and hurt and even become suicidal. Is it any wonder
why Love is so important and understanding the Love value God
puts on us is vital to our lives and changes us? Unfortunately,
it isn't just the world that says I am not even worth 10 cents,
but the church often delivers the same message. Even the
material makeup is worth more than what they were willing to put
on my life.
So this thread is about Love and the value we place on others
and it is a challenge to think before we speak or act about what
we are telling others about their value! It is NOT a thread
where I am asking you to put a value on me, that is a whole
different matter and just because I told a story to illustrate a
point does not make ME the point.
[/quote]I suppose I have trouble assessing the "value" of others
especially people I don't know or have never met. I see the
value and find value in personal face to face interactions, not
phones or internet chats. In addition, I don't actually "value"
my own worth or my life. I'm not "special" and too many people
today had "mommy" tell them how special and unique they are and
thus they become self absorbed and the world revolves around
them. We are all equal and we're all in the same boat. Do good,
love others and love God, that's the best we can do. This world
has no value. I have value to God alone.
[/quote]I have a friend from high school that long story married
someone who was not very nice to her (I wouldn't say out and out
abuse but bordering on verbal abuse) anyway, some told me once
that she married him because she didn't think she was worth
more...and the sad thing, I always thought she was one of the
"upper crest" of society.
[/quote]
that borders on self-esteem not a value of ones self...DO you
like yourself. Have you forgiven yourself for if you cannot
forgive yourself, then how can you expect GOD to forgive you.,
Blade
[/quote]value and self esteem are related topic...one is how
others see you, the other is how we see ourselves.
#Post#: 27164--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is your value?
By: guest24 Date: March 19, 2021, 12:33 pm
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Matthew 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing
covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be
known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what
ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to
kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both
soul and body in hell.
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them
shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many
sparrows.
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I
confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny
before my Father which is in heaven.
Apparently God knows we need to understand that we are
valuable...
#Post#: 27166--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is your value?
By: guest17 Date: March 19, 2021, 1:15 pm
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When I was growing up I felt like I had little to no value to
other people including family. After all, my mother was given a
choice between staying with my stepfather and keeping her four
children. She couldn't have both. She chose my stepfather so the
state put us in foster care. Then the foster parents didn't
value me or protect me from evil people. They had wrong motives
for being foster parents. Some of them were very abusive. So I
had very low self esteem from that as far as feeling loved by my
mother or the foster parents. I felt abandoned and unloved and
unwanted. I felt like someone to be threatened, abused,
controlled, used, and terrorized.
I felt like I had value to God from a very young age. That
helped to carry me through some very rough and dangerous years
before, during and after foster care. There were people along
the way who knew that I felt valued and loved by God and they
tried to destroy that and when they were doing their worst to me
they would ask, where is your God now? But they failed to
destroy my faith and confidence that God valued and loved me. It
was too deeply ingrained in my heart.
We have value to God. All of God's creation has value. It
doesn't matter whether other people think we have value. They
can't take that away from us.
What really matters and will matter for eternity is that God
loves us and that we have value to Him.
Something else I've learned is that I need to stop being so hard
on myself and be my own best friend. To be good to myself.
Forgive myself for what I view as shortcomings. To not expect
too much from myself and to give myself some credit for the good
things about me. Especially that I have been such a strong
survivor against all odds and didn't give up.
#Post#: 27167--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is your value?
By: patrick jane Date: March 19, 2021, 2:56 pm
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1249.msg27164#msg27164
date=1616175197]
Matthew 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing
covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be
known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what
ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to
kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both
soul and body in hell.
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them
shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many
sparrows.
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I
confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny
before my Father which is in heaven.
Apparently God knows we need to understand that we are
valuable...
[/quote]Indeed, we are valuable to God, that's what I said. Do
you want the world or men and women to see you as valuable?
Apparently and actually, it'sbecome quite obvious over time that
you DO.
#Post#: 27168--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is your value?
By: guest17 Date: March 19, 2021, 3:52 pm
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=1249.msg27164#msg27164
date=1616175197]
Matthew 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing
covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be
known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what
ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to
kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both
soul and body in hell.
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them
shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many
sparrows.
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I
confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny
before my Father which is in heaven.
Apparently God knows we need to understand that we are
valuable...
[/quote]
Yes indeed. Those are beautiful scriptures that speak of our
value to God.
When a baby is born, the parents want to count the fingers and
toes. God knows exactly the number of the hairs on our head. :)
#Post#: 27219--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is your value?
By: guest24 Date: March 20, 2021, 10:42 am
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[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=1249.msg27166#msg27166
date=1616177700]
When I was growing up I felt like I had little to no value to
other people including family. After all, my mother was given a
choice between staying with my stepfather and keeping her four
children. She couldn't have both. She chose my stepfather so the
state put us in foster care. Then the foster parents didn't
value me or protect me from evil people. They had wrong motives
for being foster parents. Some of them were very abusive. So I
had very low self esteem from that as far as feeling loved by my
mother or the foster parents. I felt abandoned and unloved and
unwanted. I felt like someone to be threatened, abused,
controlled, used, and terrorized.
I felt like I had value to God from a very young age. That
helped to carry me through some very rough and dangerous years
before, during and after foster care. There were people along
the way who knew that I felt valued and loved by God and they
tried to destroy that and when they were doing their worst to me
they would ask, where is your God now? But they failed to
destroy my faith and confidence that God valued and loved me. It
was too deeply ingrained in my heart.
We have value to God. All of God's creation has value. It
doesn't matter whether other people think we have value. They
can't take that away from us.
What really matters and will matter for eternity is that God
loves us and that we have value to Him.
Something else I've learned is that I need to stop being so hard
on myself and be my own best friend. To be good to myself.
Forgive myself for what I view as shortcomings. To not expect
too much from myself and to give myself some credit for the good
things about me. Especially that I have been such a strong
survivor against all odds and didn't give up.
[/quote]amen...but I also want to add that as God's ambassadors,
we need to consider what value we are giving to others in His
name which was kind of where I was hoping the thread would go.
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