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Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: September 5, 2020, 6:52 pm
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Is September the End of the World
By Justin Johnson
Blood moons, Papal visits, Jewish holidays, stock market
crashes, Supreme Court decisions. Are the current events
pointing to something significant happening this month? Perhaps
the rapture, the coming of the Lord, or judgment?
This year is not the first time that end of the world hysteria
has run rampant. Predictions have been made for millennia. All
have failed because they are driven by an ignorance of the Bible
rightly divided.
What does mid-Acts dispensational right division have to do with
it?
Everyone knows the Bible says no man knows the day and the hour
(Matt 24:36), but this does not stop people from thinking they
see signs of the last days. Why? They think the church is in
some way part of Israel’s prophecies, Israel’s calendar, and
that the church should be looking for prophetic signs given to
Israel.
The Bible rightly divided separates prophecy from mystery,
Israel from the church, heaven and earth. In prophecy God worked
through Israel to fulfill his purpose on the earth, but now
according to the revelation of the mystery, God is working
through the church for a heavenly purpose.
God’s present work according to the mystery was never revealed
in the prophetic scripture (Rom 16:25).
End of world predictions will always persuade you that God is
working through current events for the fulfillment of prophecy.
Blood Moons
The most popular prophetic prediction this time round concerns
the blood moon that will occur on a Jewish feast day, at the end
of a seventh year Jewish cycle, toward the end of this month.
This is supposed to be a fulfillment of Joel 2:31 that the day
of the Lord is at hand.
“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.” – Joel
2:31
Never mind that someone in Quebec has a better chance of seeing
the blood moon than anyone in Israel, or that it is fairly
common for blood moons to fall on Jewish feast days, or that the
rest of the prophecy in Joel requires the sun turning dark,
stars falling, and a great earthquake.
What is more important is that Joel 2:31 aligns more with
Peter’s preaching at Pentecost than anything Paul taught. Joel
2:31 requires God to work through Israel.
If our pattern is in the Jewish ministry of Peter on a Jewish
feast day (Pentecost), then we might think it important to look
at the Jewish calendar for the fulfillment of these events.
However, if our pattern from the Lord is found in the apostle
Paul ministering an unprophesied mystery of Christ, then what
does the Jewish calendar or its prophecies have to do with us?
“Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid
of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.” –
Galatians 4:10-11
Are You Ready?
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and
to stand before the Son of man.” – Luke 21:36
Many are worried that if they are not watching for the signs of
the times, and have their lamps filled with oil, then they will
miss the bridegroom when he comes.
There is no reason for this. These Biblical references about
preparing for the end were spoken to Israel to prepare for their
kingdom come. These are not instructions for the church living
in God’s dispensation of grace. We are no longer preaching the
gospel of the kingdom come, but the gospel of the grace of God.
We are not of the night that we should be in darkness, we are
not the bride, and we are not found worthy by watching and
making ourselves ready.
According to the mystery of Christ, we are justified freely by
faith in the finished work of Christ. We are accepted only in
the Beloved (Christ, Eph 1:6). We need not worry whether we will
“stand before the Son of man” if we are in the very body of
Christ!
Even the catching away of the church to meet the Lord in the air
has no condition upon those who have made themselves ready(1
Thess 4:16-18). The great catching away will consist of those
who are saved by faith in the gospel of Christ.
This blessed hope and appearing of Christ for his church has
nothing to do with Israel’s prophecies of the end.
Not the Times
The best way to determine whether or not you are seeing signs of
the times of prophetic fulfillment is to understand whether or
not we are living in the times when God will fulfill his
prophecy or time when God is operating according to His mystery
in Christ.
If we are living in the dispensation of God’s grace to the
world, then we are not living in the time of God’s judgment.
If we are living in the time of God operating through a church
body where there is no Jew nor Gentile, then we are not living
in the time of God operating through Israel.
If we are living in the time of God ministering the mystery
gospel to a world according to the mystery of Christ, then we
are not living in the time of the prophesied gospel of the
kingdom according to the prophecies spoken by Christ.
We live under the dispensation of God’s grace, a mystery
dispensation concerning a heavenly people. We are not a part of
God’s prophetic purpose for the earth.
Will the world end in September? Only if we are living in the
time of prophecy instead of the time of mystery. We do not look
for the signs of prophetic times because we live in the mystery
times that have no prophesied signs.
What Should I Do?
What of the increase of wars, circumstances, stock market crash,
and increase of evil men and events?
Many are rumors not worthy of a Bible believer. Jesus said
himself, in prophecy, that these are not signs of the end (Matt
24:6-7). Paul says, in mystery, evil men must wax worse and
worse (2 Tim 3:13). We live in a present evil world, but God has
not given us the spirit of fear (2 Tim 1:7).
There is a grace response. We should pray for those in authority
(1 Tim 2:1-2). We should provide for our own (1 Tim 5:8). We
should participate in what God’s will has been for two thousand
years for his church.
“[God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the
knowledge of the truth.” – 1 Timothy 2:4-5
God’s message is not one of fear or prophecy, but of mystery
salvation.
#Post#: 17341--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: guest8 Date: September 7, 2020, 8:27 pm
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[quote author=Wayne Gabler link=topic=123.msg17020#msg17020
date=1599092447]
The return comes after 3 1/2 years of prophecy unfolds (6/7
trumps), the last event is Satan sitting on a false throne in
Jerusalem and the throne says Satan is the God of this world.
The new earth at the end of Re:22 is a ball of cool glass.
Jerusalem in Isa:65 is New Jerusalem so the location that people
will be building new homes is all across the universe. The
Angels in the Mount Sion verses from Hebrews:12 are in their
perfected heaven so mankind inherits their 'old home' and over
eternity the transformation the garden went through in the Ge:2
version will have the entire universe looking the same.
[/quote]
Informative Yes, but through the eyes of an Non-believer.
Blade
#Post#: 17342--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: guest8 Date: September 7, 2020, 8:38 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=123.msg17294#msg17294
date=1599349939]
Is September the End of the World
By Justin Johnson
Blood moons, Papal visits, Jewish holidays, stock market
crashes, Supreme Court decisions. Are the current events
pointing to something significant happening this month? Perhaps
the rapture, the coming of the Lord, or judgment?
This year is not the first time that end of the world hysteria
has run rampant. Predictions have been made for millennia. All
have failed because they are driven by an ignorance of the Bible
rightly divided.
What does mid-Acts dispensational right division have to do with
it?
Everyone knows the Bible says no man knows the day and the hour
(Matt 24:36), but this does not stop people from thinking they
see signs of the last days. Why? They think the church is in
some way part of Israel’s prophecies, Israel’s calendar, and
that the church should be looking for prophetic signs given to
Israel.
The Bible rightly divided separates prophecy from mystery,
Israel from the church, heaven and earth. In prophecy God worked
through Israel to fulfill his purpose on the earth, but now
according to the revelation of the mystery, God is working
through the church for a heavenly purpose.
God’s present work according to the mystery was never revealed
in the prophetic scripture (Rom 16:25).
End of world predictions will always persuade you that God is
working through current events for the fulfillment of prophecy.
Blood Moons
The most popular prophetic prediction this time round concerns
the blood moon that will occur on a Jewish feast day, at the end
of a seventh year Jewish cycle, toward the end of this month.
This is supposed to be a fulfillment of Joel 2:31 that the day
of the Lord is at hand.
“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.” – Joel
2:31
Never mind that someone in Quebec has a better chance of seeing
the blood moon than anyone in Israel, or that it is fairly
common for blood moons to fall on Jewish feast days, or that the
rest of the prophecy in Joel requires the sun turning dark,
stars falling, and a great earthquake.
What is more important is that Joel 2:31 aligns more with
Peter’s preaching at Pentecost than anything Paul taught. Joel
2:31 requires God to work through Israel.
If our pattern is in the Jewish ministry of Peter on a Jewish
feast day (Pentecost), then we might think it important to look
at the Jewish calendar for the fulfillment of these events.
However, if our pattern from the Lord is found in the apostle
Paul ministering an unprophesied mystery of Christ, then what
does the Jewish calendar or its prophecies have to do with us?
“Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid
of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.” –
Galatians 4:10-11
Are You Ready?
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and
to stand before the Son of man.” – Luke 21:36
Many are worried that if they are not watching for the signs of
the times, and have their lamps filled with oil, then they will
miss the bridegroom when he comes.
There is no reason for this. These Biblical references about
preparing for the end were spoken to Israel to prepare for their
kingdom come. These are not instructions for the church living
in God’s dispensation of grace. We are no longer preaching the
gospel of the kingdom come, but the gospel of the grace of God.
We are not of the night that we should be in darkness, we are
not the bride, and we are not found worthy by watching and
making ourselves ready.
According to the mystery of Christ, we are justified freely by
faith in the finished work of Christ. We are accepted only in
the Beloved (Christ, Eph 1:6). We need not worry whether we will
“stand before the Son of man” if we are in the very body of
Christ!
Even the catching away of the church to meet the Lord in the air
has no condition upon those who have made themselves ready(1
Thess 4:16-18). The great catching away will consist of those
who are saved by faith in the gospel of Christ.
This blessed hope and appearing of Christ for his church has
nothing to do with Israel’s prophecies of the end.
Not the Times
The best way to determine whether or not you are seeing signs of
the times of prophetic fulfillment is to understand whether or
not we are living in the times when God will fulfill his
prophecy or time when God is operating according to His mystery
in Christ.
If we are living in the dispensation of God’s grace to the
world, then we are not living in the time of God’s judgment.
If we are living in the time of God operating through a church
body where there is no Jew nor Gentile, then we are not living
in the time of God operating through Israel.
If we are living in the time of God ministering the mystery
gospel to a world according to the mystery of Christ, then we
are not living in the time of the prophesied gospel of the
kingdom according to the prophecies spoken by Christ.
We live under the dispensation of God’s grace, a mystery
dispensation concerning a heavenly people. We are not a part of
God’s prophetic purpose for the earth.
Will the world end in September? Only if we are living in the
time of prophecy instead of the time of mystery. We do not look
for the signs of prophetic times because we live in the mystery
times that have no prophesied signs.
What Should I Do?
What of the increase of wars, circumstances, stock market crash,
and increase of evil men and events?
Many are rumors not worthy of a Bible believer. Jesus said
himself, in prophecy, that these are not signs of the end (Matt
24:6-7). Paul says, in mystery, evil men must wax worse and
worse (2 Tim 3:13). We live in a present evil world, but God has
not given us the spirit of fear (2 Tim 1:7).
There is a grace response. We should pray for those in authority
(1 Tim 2:1-2). We should provide for our own (1 Tim 5:8). We
should participate in what God’s will has been for two thousand
years for his church.
“[God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the
knowledge of the truth.” – 1 Timothy 2:4-5
God’s message is not one of fear or prophecy, but of mystery
salvation.
[/quote]
While Mr. Johnson has many good points, there are many I do not
agree with.
Blade
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Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: January 5, 2021, 7:27 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NzkHD7WoBA
#Post#: 23369--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: guest8 Date: January 5, 2021, 9:33 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=123.msg23367#msg23367
date=1609896449]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NzkHD7WoBA
[/quote]
unfortunately the video is centered around "Seal 6" for the
beginning of God's Wrath.... What did they call the death of 1/4
of the population on earth...Man's wrath>>>>???? Really???
Blade
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Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: January 23, 2021, 1:24 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd-huyiB_b4
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Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: January 28, 2021, 9:56 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9E58QBxqwA
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Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: March 12, 2021, 1:14 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXmJCvt45j8
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Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: March 25, 2021, 9:33 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQFmhclVDzc
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Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: March 26, 2021, 8:57 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKGrCAxbSdE
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