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The Book of Revelation: Comments
By: guest8 Date: September 19, 2018, 8:15 pm
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]Revelation 4 (KJV)
Rev. 4:1..[/color]”After this I looked, and, behold, a door was
opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it
were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither,
and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. “
Note:
First two Words are “After this” ‘META-TAUTA’
Last Word is[/color] “Hereafter” [‘META TAUTA’[/color]
These two words are speaking of events which follows after the
Churches in chapters 2-3[/color]
]John[/color] “Looks Up” and a "door was opened in heaven: " and
heard a "voice as a trumpet".
This voice of a trumpet was heard before in Exodus 19 by Moses
and the people of Israel.[/color]
Exo 19:16[/color]"And it came to pass on the third day in the
morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick
cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding
loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. “
Exo 19:19[/color] “And when the voice of the trumpet sounded
long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered
him by a voice. “
This is no ordinary dream. It was NOT a silent whisper as most
visions were in Elijah’s dreams. In fact, John tells us;
[/color]“I heard” wenty three times in Revelation.[/color]
In fact, during John’s spiritual trip through heaven, Seventy
times did John say; [/color]“I looked” thirty-five times did
John say;[/color] “I saw” and seven times John tells us;[/color]
“I Beheld”six times.[/color]
The voice told John to[/color] “Come up Hither”.
b] “Come up Hither”[/b] is most likely the very words we will
hear when the Rapture does happen.[/color]
While the words [/color]“Come up Hither” occurs in Revelation
4:1; 11:12.[/color]
Another use of the phrase is Prov 25:7 which provides a strange
enlightenment of the phrase.[/color] “For better it is that it
be said unto thee, Come up hither; than that thou shouldest be
put lower in the presence of the prince whom thine eyes have
seen. “
Rev 4:1..[/color]”.....I will shew thee" is seen again in Rev
21:10”)[/color]"And he carried me away in the spirit to a great
and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy
Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, “
ev 4.2..[/color]”And immediately I was in the spirit: and,
behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. “
ohn was transported through time more than 1,900 years and
shewed what was to happen then.[/color]
And finds himself in the THRONE ROOM of GOD.[/color]
b]NOTE:[/b]
The very act that John was immediately in the Spirit and taken
to heaven is the act of being “Caught-up” or Harpazo or the
Rapture in English terms. [/color]
His spirit is physically taken to heaven as was 6 others in the
history of the Bible. Enoch[/color] (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews
11:25);Elijah[/color], (2 Kings 2:1, 11);]Philip,[/b][/color]
(Acts 8:39 ); Paul, [/color](2 Corinthians 12:2-4 );
John,[/color] (Revelation 4:1 ); Jesus, (Mark 16:19; Acts
1:9-11; Revelation 12:5 );b]the Body of Christ is the Seventh
which has YET to happen. [/b][/color](1 Thessalonians 4:17 )
Rev 4:3..[/color]"And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper
and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the
throne, in sight like unto an emerald. “
Twelve stones : The Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and the End,
The First and Last
Rubin was the 1st born (stone = Sardine, Blood RED) “behold a
Son”
Benjamin was the 12th born (Stone = Jasper, Clear ), “Son of my
right hand”
Judah was the 4th born (Stone=Emerald, Green), “praise”
Rainbow a type of Halo. Ezra 1:28..[/color]"All around him was a
glowing halo, like a rainbow shining in the clouds on a rainy
day. ………………………..”
b]Rev 4:4..[/b][/color]”And round about the throne were four and
twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders
sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads
crowns of gold. “
b]NOTE:[/b] I do not know why the interpreters of the KJV did
not use Throne instead of [/color]"Seats", especially since
those seat were reserved for Kings and rulers. (i.e. The Greek
word used is the same "Thronos" and allows the use of both
words. "assigned in the NT to kings, hence, kingly power or
royalty"
hey are clothed in white raiment, representing righteousness of
Jesus Christ[/color]
Crowns of Gold (stephanos) or a victors crown vs a ruling crown
representing that these Elders and those who they represent have
already been Judged.
[/color]
NOTE: The only other place the number 24 is in the bible..is
where David organizes them (priest) in 24 courses,(1 Chro
24:1-19),,There were 24 thousand priest of Israel (at that
time). With this organization each group of 24 priests would
serve for one week, twice a year. and would change at shabbat
(sabbath), twice a year they would be on duty.. Those twenty
four leaders (priest) represented the whole priesthood during
the time they were serving.[/color]
]Things the 24 elders cannot be.[/color]
u]Different type of angels, [/u][/color]
Rev 7:11 ..[/color]”And all the angels stood round about the
throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell
before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,”
Tribulation Saints: [/color]
Rev 7:13-14…v14..[/color]”And I said unto him, Sir, thou
knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of
great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them
white in the blood of the Lamb. “. Obviously a distinct group of
Believers
Nation of Israel: [/color]
Rev 7 ... we see all the twelve tribes of Israel represented.
Rev 12… We see the Woman (representing Israel) with Child in the
stars
[/color]
Distinguishing Characteristics
of the Elders[/color]
Thrones[/color]
Rev 3:21.[/color]”To him that overcometh will I grant to sit
with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down
with my Father in his throne. “
White Raiment
Rev 3:25..[/color]”He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed
in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the
book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and
before his angels. “
Crowns of Gold
Rev 2:10..[/color]”Fear none of those things which thou shalt
suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison,
that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be
thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
“
Rev, 3:11..[/color]"Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which
thou hast, that no man take thy crown. “
es, we already hold Crowns of Gold. Jas 1:12, rev 2:10 , 2 Tim
4:8, 1 Pet 5:4, 1 Cor 9:25, 1 Thes 2:19[/color]
And they (the Elders) sing a Song of the Redeemed
[/color]
Rev 5: 9, 10..[/color]”And they sung a new song, saying, Thou
art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for
thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of
every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; v.10. And
hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign
on the earth. “
NOTE: The Tribulation Saints do not sing and and carry Palms not
Harps.[/color]
]Rev 4:5..[/b][/color]”And out of the throne proceeded
lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven
lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven
Spirits of God. “
Rev 1:20..[/color]"The mystery of the seven stars which thou
sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The
seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven
candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. “
“The Seven lamps” ….. introduced in Rev 1:20..as the Churches,
are now in the Throne Room.
The[/color] ‘FIRE’ in the lamps represent the Holy Spirit as
seen in Acts 2:3 “And there appeared unto them cloven tongues
like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. “ and Mat
3:16..”And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out
of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he
saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon
him: “
Rev 4:6-8..[/color][/b]”And before the throne there was a sea of
glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and
round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and
behind. V7. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second
beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and
the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. V8. And the four
beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full
of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy,
holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to
come. “
NOTE:
It is unfortunate the wording of the KJV. Beast should have been
reserved for Daniel’s beast[/color]
Four beast… Zoon (Greek) our word for Zoo.
†ζῶον zōon, dzo'-on; neuter of a
derivative of G2198; a live thing (living creature), i.e. an
animal:—beast.[/color]
We see these creatures with four faces in Isa 6; Ezk 1,10; the
four gospels and Numbers 2. They worship God by repeating HOLY
HOLY HOLY,,,in a way as to allude to the trinity.[/color]
Isa 6: 1-3…v2.[/color] "Above it stood the seraphims: each one
had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he
covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. “
Isaiah calls the four beast (living creatures) seraphins There
is dispute between scholars about them being seraphins or
Cherubims?[/color]
They are special angels regardless of their names.[/color]
Ezk 10:13-14..[/color]”And when I looked, behold the four wheels
by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by
another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the
colour of a beryl stone. V14. And as for their appearances, they
four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a
wheel. “
Ezekial called them Cerubims and speaks of their faces
Cherub(ox), Man, Lion, Eagle as did Rev 4:7.[/color]”And the
first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf,
and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast
was like a flying eagle. “
This is consistent with the four tribes of Israel: Judah (Lion),
Ephraim (OX), Reuban (Man) and Dan (Eagle)[/color]
]Rev 9-10;[/b] John dropped in on a worship service to GOD (the
Father),[/color] "He who sat upon that Throne."
We also see in v10. The 24 elders are worshipping HIM and have
removed their Crowns to cast them upon the[/color] ‘Sea of
Glass’:
b]Rev 4:11...[/b][/color]”Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive
glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things,
and for thy pleasure they are and were created. “
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Re: Revelation (KJV)
By: Scripter Date: October 3, 2018, 8:37 am
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Is there something particular you want us to know out of all
this?
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Re: Revelation (KJV)
By: guest8 Date: October 4, 2018, 5:36 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=123.msg1384#msg1384
date=1538573825]
Is there something particular you want us to know out of all
this?
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]How about ALL of it. 95% of the Churches on
earth today, refuse to use Revelation in its teachings. For
those that are not TRUE Christians and are LEFT BEHIND;
Revelation chapter 6 onward will be a 'road map' to Jesus
Christ.
It is predicted that the greatest evangelization will happen
during this time, thanks to the 144,000.
Something particular.... If you do not see it, then you may need
that road map.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Revelation (KJV)
By: Theo102 Date: October 6, 2018, 1:26 am
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It's not really accurate to call the ekklesia of the book of
Revelation churches because the people of Asia rejected Paul.
John to the seven churches
(ἐκκλησία) which are
in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and
which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits
which are before his throne;
Revelation 1:4
This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned
away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
2 Timothy 1:15
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Re: Revelation (KJV)
By: Scripter Date: October 6, 2018, 6:44 pm
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None of that is as clear as you are saying because Mt24A (up to
v29) took place in 1st century Judea, as it says.
There is a time of the harassment of the believers at the end of
1000. There is nothing Judaic about it, nor located in one
place on earth. The Lord destroys it (the harassment and its
perpetrators) swiftly and replaces the earth with the NHNE (or
the earth becomes a lake of fire...).
The Christian faith was never trying to prognosticate a bunch of
events; to do so is junk theology. But it does show how to
endure hardship for future glory, as in Rom 5's first verses, or
the end of ch 8.
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Re: Revelation (KJV)
By: guest8 Date: October 6, 2018, 9:51 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=123.msg1480#msg1480
date=1538869478]
None of that is as clear as you are saying because Mt24A (up to
v29) took place in 1st century Judea, as it says.
There is a time of the harassment of the believers at the end of
1000. There is nothing Judaic about it, nor located in one
place on earth. The Lord destroys it (the harassment and its
perpetrators) swiftly and replaces the earth with the NHNE (or
the earth becomes a lake of fire...).
The Christian faith was never trying to prognosticate a bunch of
events; to do so is junk theology. But it does show how to
endure hardship for future glory, as in Rom 5's first verses, or
the end of ch 8.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left] ok, it is your decision.,...
Blade
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Re: Revelation (KJV)
By: Scripter Date: October 13, 2018, 6:27 pm
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I did not come to these conclusions by just deciding one system
was my fav. In fact, I hardly ever meet anyone who understands
about v29--that he was focused on that generation up to that
point. Instead people do all kinds of acrobatics to make
generation mean something other than generation, like it did
everywhere else.
the goal of study is to actually arrive at what they thought
then, not what we would now like to say they think.
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Re: Revelation (KJV)
By: guest8 Date: October 14, 2018, 6:49 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=123.msg1594#msg1594
date=1539473254]
I did not come to these conclusions by just deciding one system
was my fav. In fact, I hardly ever meet anyone who understands
about v29--that he was focused on that generation up to that
point. Instead people do all kinds of acrobatics to make
generation mean something other than generation, like it did
everywhere else.
the goal of study is to actually arrive at what they thought
then, not what we would now like to say they think.
[/quote]
the verse was v29...care to enhance us by giving the Book and
Chapter? Please Kind Sir.
First of all a generation is around 38 years.. They were in the
wilderness for 38 years. The difference in 32AD and 70 AD is 38
years. However, you are missing (probably on purpose) the
"direction clause" in Matthew and Luke.
In one, He is speaking of the Generation who sees the signs in
the future as not dying until the 2nd coming of Christ shall
come upon them. Rem. Daniel's 70th week is only 7 yrs long. thus
giving plenty of time for the Gap between the "Snatching up"
and Daniel's 70th week.
Blade
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Re: Revelation (KJV)
By: Scripter Date: October 21, 2018, 1:05 pm
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v29
there's only one chapter in Matthew about 'the future' so go
find its v29.
Before it, the setting is 1st century Judea; check the details
and specifics. It is about that generation. There is a
biblical numeral importance to 40 and that is roughly the
distance from the Gospel event to the destruction. Good for you
to spot the 2.
After it, the setting is the worldwide judgement everywhere.
As the church historian Lattourrette said (vol 1, p44), after
the DofJ happened and settled, and the 2nd coming judgement did
not, the apostles must have decided to simply continue on with
evangelism and mission. That is the ONLY thing clear about NT
eschatology. Mt24 to v29 has happened; the worldwide judgement
has not; we should continue in evangelism and mission.
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Re: Revelation (KJV)
By: guest8 Date: October 21, 2018, 7:52 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=123.msg1746#msg1746
date=1540145131]
v29
there's only one chapter in Matthew about 'the future' so go
find its v29.
Before it, the setting is 1st century Judea; check the details
and specifics. It is about that generation. There is a
biblical numeral importance to 40 and that is roughly the
distance from the Gospel event to the destruction. Good for you
to spot the 2.
After it, the setting is the worldwide judgement everywhere.
As the church historian Lattourrette said (vol 1, p44), after
the DofJ happened and settled, and the 2nd coming judgement did
not, the apostles must have decided to simply continue on with
evangelism and mission. That is the ONLY thing clear about NT
eschatology. Mt24 to v29 has happened; the worldwide judgement
has not; we should continue in evangelism and mission.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left] Care to clue me in on this unrecognized ?
(after the DofJ happened and settled)
Why are you using this verse for? It is not specific or
anything?
Don't try and force you point across as the scripture does not
support your version.
Blade
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