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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
By: guest125 Date: June 28, 2021, 5:07 pm
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[quote author=rstrats link=topic=1218.msg32506#msg32506
date=1624917420]
Mr E,
re: "Does that help?"
Well since none of your comments provide examples which show
that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night
time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime
or no part of a night time could occur, then I'm afraid that it
doesn't.
[/quote]
I'm sure your comment makes sense to you.
Matthew 16-- Red sky at night, sailor's delight. Red sky at
morning, sailor's warning. (a common forecast daytime or night
time saying with a biblical example provided). 8)
If you could ask a clearer question, you might get a clearer
answer.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
By: guest125 Date: July 1, 2021, 11:26 am
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A few thoughts toward your quest-
Maybe you've considered these already in some form or fashion as
it seems you've puzzled over this for a long time. I suspect
that you might be trying to reconcile the apparent discrepancy
of "what Jesus said" with what folks have come to believe to be
the case concerning the resurrection timeline. Could Jesus have
said something inaccurate? Sure. He was human. People say
things loosely like that all the time without anyone calling
them a liar.
Could he have been speaking idiomatically? I think you've
covered that a hundred times already... again- Sure.
Or-- he could have been 100% accurate in what he said and simply
our understanding of the events isn't 100% complete. If so,
then there is no contradiction other than in our heads.
I think you've considered this too and seemed to have excluded
it from the conversation, but the 3 days (yom) could even
pertain to the 30 years he spent in Israel (the heart of the
earth) or perhaps the three years that 'the Christ' spent in
the heart of Jesus (the earth man) during his time of ministry.
-and- it could be all of these things.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
By: rstrats Date: July 2, 2021, 9:20 am
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Mr E,
re: "I'm sure your comment makes sense to you."
Your sureness is right on. I do indeed understand my comment.
re: "Matthew 16-- Red sky at night, sailor's delight. Red sky
at morning, sailor's warning. (a common forecast daytime or
night time saying with a biblical example provided)."
I don't see how that shows an example of where a daytime or a
night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event
when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could
occur.
re: "If you could ask a clearer question, you might get a
clearer answer."
I don't know how it could be anymore clear. What is there about
it that you don't understand?
re: "I suspect that you might be trying to reconcile the
apparent discrepancy of "what Jesus said" with what folks have
come to believe to be the case concerning the resurrection
timeline."
No, not for the purpose of this topic.
re: "-and- it could be all of these things."
Perhaps, but not for the purpose of this topic.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
By: guest125 Date: July 2, 2021, 1:20 pm
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Well... for the purposes of this topic — Good luck with that.
#Post#: 32750--------------------------------------------------
Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
By: rstrats Date: July 2, 2021, 1:56 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1218.msg32749#msg32749
date=1625250026]
Well... for the purposes of this topic — Good luck with that.
[/quote]
OK, thanks. But I'm not holding my breath. However, you never
know, someone new visiting this topic in the future may know of
examples.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
By: patrick jane Date: July 2, 2021, 2:35 pm
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[quote author=rstrats link=topic=1218.msg32750#msg32750
date=1625252208]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1218.msg32749#msg32749
date=1625250026]
Well... for the purposes of this topic — Good luck with that.
[/quote]
OK, thanks. But I'm not holding my breath. However, you never
know, someone new visiting this topic in the future may know of
examples.
[/quote]Maybe Jesus was killed on Thursday.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
By: rstrats Date: July 2, 2021, 2:38 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1218.msg32753#msg32753
date=1625254529]
Maybe Jesus was killed on Thursday.
[/quote]
That's an issue for a different topic.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
By: guest8 Date: July 3, 2021, 9:17 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=1218.msg32503#msg32503
date=1624911931]
No?
How about this? 'The stomach of the earth'...? It's the same
word in Hebrew.... The three days and three nights that Jonah
was in the belly, or stomach, or "heart" of the fish. And this
'place' that Jonah found himself, he calls "Sheol" -in other
words, there is 'an-other' word to express the same concept.
Heart, belly, stomach, Sheol, underworld, place of death, even
womb.... or grave, or tomb.... you pick.
And we know that Jesus was talking about the same thing because
he explicitly states he's talking about the very same thing...
(Matt 12)
--for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY
OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and
three nights in the heart of the earth.
I don't think it's so much a matter of timing, as much as it is
about location, location, location. Hosea 6 prophesied that the
people would be revived after two days.... on the third day.
It could be as simple a comparison as if we were telling a story
and said something like "a few days later" or "sometime later"
- as opposed to a specific time such as if you were to say-
"later that same day" or "the very next day."
Why do you ask? What significance do you apportion to this?
[/quote]
Hos 6:2..(KJV) "After two days will he revive us: in the third
day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."
A Prophecy through His own words....As one day of the Lord is to
us a thousand years, two days of being buried in the grave will
fall away to being resurrected in the third day. Notice it says
in the third day. This is likely a reference to the Rapture that
can happen at any time now that two days or two thousand years
have been fulfilled.
Having said this, time is very short for the End of days is
nearer to the beginning of the end.
**
The three days and three nights in the grave are for real in
that the crucifixion happened around 3 PM on a Wendnesday
afternoon and was buried before 6PM, the beginning of Thursday,
A Feast Day which was considered a Sabbath. Therefore, nothing
could happen on this day even travel to the grave site or more
than 1/4 mile away. He did indeed arise on the third day after
three days and three nights.
Thanks for listening
Blade
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
By: rstrats Date: July 4, 2021, 6:43 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=1218.msg32806#msg32806
date=1625365026]
[/quote]
re: "The three days and three nights in the grave are for real
in that the crucifixion happened around 3 PM on a Wendnesday..."
Actually, it happened around 9 AM in the morning. And the idea
of a Wednesday crucifixion would be an issue for a different
topic.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
By: guest8 Date: July 4, 2021, 8:27 pm
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[quote author=rstrats link=topic=1218.msg32814#msg32814
date=1625398983]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=1218.msg32806#msg32806
date=1625365026]
[/quote]
re: "The three days and three nights in the grave are for real
in that the crucifixion happened around 3 PM on a Wendnesday..."
Actually, it happened around 9 AM in the morning. And the idea
of a Wednesday crucifixion would be an issue for a different
topic.
[/quote]
NO, it would not be a different topic. It is within the scope
of the Crucifixion, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ,
otherwise known as the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Why do you say 9 am in the morning and not on Wednesday? one of
us is wrong!
Blade
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