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Daniel's 70th Week: Comments
By: guest8 Date: September 17, 2018, 5:19 pm
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Daniel 9:24-27... Daniel's 70th Week
Daniel 24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon
thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end
of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring
in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and
prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy
Daniel 9:24 is the scope/summary of the whole prophecy (Daniel
9: 25-27). Both parts (thy People (Jewish) and thy Holy City
(Jerusalem)) do affect the Whole World
Has transgressions (sins) ended either in Jerusalem, Israel or
the World YET? (NO).
Has there been a reconciliation for the Iniquity,? (sins of the
world): (YES), Jesus Died on the Cross.
Has Everlasting Righteousness been installed ? (NO)
Have we annointed the Most HOLY..?(NO),
"The Most Holy" is the Holy of Hollies in the Temple. Since
neither of the next two temples have been built, The Holy of
Hollies does not exist today.
NOTE: The CHURCH (BODY OF CHRIST) is not the recipient of the
above scripture or any of the whole Prophecy.
Summary:
If I simply looked at Daniel 9:24 and at the world in general
today, I would conclude that with the exception of "the
reconciliation for the iniquity" of the sins of the thy people
and the world, NOT one of the prophecies spoken of so far have
been fulfilled.
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Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going
forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto
the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and
two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even
in troubledous times."
[/color]"The going forth of the commandment to restore and to
build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince". This has been
proven historically to have happened. In fact from the
commandment (4th commandment) unto the Messiah the Prince was
173,800 days. The amount of time to the exact day, Jesus Christ
rode into Jerusalem on that donkey.
"......shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: "
From Historical records it took around 49 years to rebuild
Jerusalem and the Temple. That seven weeks with another
sixty-two weeks brings us to 69 weeks or the 173,800 days. The
Commandment was given on March 14th 445 B.C. and ended 173,800
days later on Palm Sunday, April 6, 32 AD.
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"the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in
troublous times." The commandment was given three times prior
to rebuild the Temple. Because of the warring hordes around
Jerusalem at this time, it proved impossible to rebuild the
temple because of attacks on the workers. The fourth
commandment, let them rebuild the walls and streets, which
allowed to finish the rebuilding process in relative safety.
Summary:
Up to this time, we are speaking about Jerusalem both in 445-396
BC and 32 AD.
Daniel 9:26"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be
cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that
shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end
thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war
desolations are determined."
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,
but not for himself:"
This scripture is speaking about the remaining sixty-two weeks
after the seven weeks needed to rebuild Jerusalem and the
Temple, Jesus is Cut off or Killed. Historically, this cannot be
denied. Passover, April 10, 32AD (four days after His arrival),
Jesus Christ was placed on the Cross and Died upon hill HE MADE!
NOTE: By reading all scripture, Literally, Historically and
Grammatically, we can discern what the scripture actually
states.
"but not for himself: "shall destroy the city and the
sanctuary;"NOTICE, the ":" after Himself. Grammatically, this
makes the first sentence a meaning unto itself. The next
sentence does not have anything to do with the first sentence.
"and the people of the prince that shall come " Here we see 'A'
Prince that shall come. This is NOT speaking of Jesus Christ.
This is speaking of a Prince (son of a Ruler) who destroys
Jerusalem and the Temple.
Mat 24:2,,Jesus tells the four apostles, "........There shall
not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be
thrown down."
Historically speaking, Titus Vespasian and His Father (Titus
Flavius Vespasian) had encircled Jerusalem in 67-68AD. Caesar
Nero in Rome had died in 66 AD and there were three to four
successors that were killed immediately after they took control.
General, Flavious Vespasian was recalled to Rome and became
Caesar. He had left His son, Titus as General in charge of the
Army until his return. Upon the news, of His fathers
enthronement, Titus left Jerusalem for Rome and did not return
for 18 months. The Army that encircled Jerusalem was in effect
placed on "time-out" status.
The Prophecy that Jesus told the followers in the temple, Luke
21:20.."And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."
Notice that the Desolation is not the worst type of Desolation
(the AOD). This speaks of the total destruction of Jerusalem and
the Temple.
"and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the
city and the sanctuary;"
Over one Million Jews are said to have died because of the war,
pestilence, starvation, etc. during 70 AD. Because of the
Prophecy Jesus gave those in the temple in 32 AD, those
Christians remembered and fled Jerusalem while Titus was in
Rome. It is reported that NO Christians died during this time of
desolation.
Daniel 9: 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one
week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice
and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of
abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the
consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the
desolate."
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: "
Grammatically, "and he"
refers to the Antecedent “the Prince”
in the previous scripture. Also, there is a double hit here.
The People of the Prince is “Titus” in 70AD--”shall destroy the
city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a
flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
We know that Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed during this
time.
The second hit is“The Prince “that shall come” is the Antecedent
to Daniel 9:27. “And he shall confirm (enforce)the covenant with
MANY
(Israel) for ONE WEEK” (seven Years)
Who is the other party to this covenant. It certainly is not GOD
because He is still in Heaven. Isaiah 28:14-16 tells the Who,
what and why.
Isaiah 28:14-18..”14. Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye
scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. “
Tells us who the Israeli (many) people are!
]Isaiah 28:15. “Because ye have said, We have made a covenant
with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the
overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto
us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have
we hid ourselves: “
Here we see WHO the other party is. Remember them from Rev
chapter 6?. We find that armies (overflowing Scourge) of the
enemy will not enter Jerusalem or the temple during this time
period which happens to be the first half of Daniel’s seven
years.
Isaiah 28:16”Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in
Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner
stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make
haste. “ . Here we see God (the Father) telling these leaders of
Israel that He has already laid a stone for a foundation (Jesus
Christ) in Jerusalem.
Isaiah 28:17”Judgment also will I lay to the line, and
righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the
refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
“ Here is the idiom of Waters that shall overflow the Hiding
place. The Scourge that is awaiting outside of Jerusalem limits
is the Horde, overflow that will sweep these unbelievers way.
Isaiah 28:18.”And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the
overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden
down by it. “
As one can see, all of this will happen”..: and in the midst of
the week”, in the middle of the 7 years (midst of the week or
3.5 years). By this overflowing of the scrourge, any activities
in Jerusalem and the Temple by the Jewish leaders or people will
be null and void for HE (Satan), “ he shall cause the sacrifice
and the oblation to cease, The sacrifices and worship to GOD
will of course be sweep away as well.
Mat 24:15..”When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy
place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) “ Jesus was telling
the four Apostles present (1) who really wrote Daniel and (2)
the AOD had already happened once and (3) that it would happen
again.. Also, there is a special message for everyone who reads
it. (Do Not stop until you understand it.)
Daniel 9:27..“…...and for the overspreading of abominations he
shall make it desolate," and it would last until the total
consumption of Israel and Jerusalem. Of course the Desolate (the
poor people caught in the middle of the war will it pour down
on.) “…..even until the consummation, and that determined shall
be poured upon the desolate."
Mat 24:16..”Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the
mountains: “
Jesus tells the four apostles, that those who are believers
should flee all of the land (not just Jerusalem but Judea) into
the Mountains (at Petra). In Revelation 12 we see Satan’s
attempt to overcome those who are fleeing. We also see God’s
response to saving of the Remnant of Israel by force in
Revelation 12
In contrast, the 70 AD war, the Armies of Rome had surrounded
Jerusalem prior to the beginning of the siege. There was no
Abomination of Desolate of the Temple as it was burnt to the
Ground. This caused the Roman soldiers to move every rock
(foundation) to remove every bit of the gold that melted down
through the rocks during the fire.
The Abomination of Desolate Which Daniel speaks of happened in
167 BC. When Antiochus IV Epiphanes burned pigs on the altar,
spreading their blood throughout the temple and finally erecting
a statue of Zeus in the Holy of Holies. It took 3 ½ years for
the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid empire and to remove
Greece from the area. The temple was cleaned, all the utensils
destroyed and rebuilt, rededicated on Hanukkah (the Feast of
Lights). Take Note: this Holiday is not part of Moses Feast
Days. It is separate.
The ‘Abomination of Desolation’ which Jesus alluded to has not
happened yet. The Man of Sin ( a man with powers given to him by
Satan, Satan powers given to him by GOD) will DIE at the midst
of the 70th week (3 ½ years) and will be resurrected by Satan
(taking over His Body) or Son of Perdition as seen in;
2 Thes 2-3..”Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day
shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that
man of sin be revealed,(then) the son of perdition; “
The ‘son of perdition’ will be the one to stand in the Holy of
Holies and pronounce Himself to be GOD! Again, there is a
contrast between the first AoD and the second.
God has two plans. (1) The Plan for the Gentiles which is
carried out by Jesus and His Church (body of Christ). Yes, there
will be many Jews within this assembly which in the Bible is
always spoken of as a single entity. We are the Bride (a wedding
patterned after the ancient Jewish Wedding Ritual) and Jesus is
the Bride Groom. As countless Jewish brides have done in ancient
times, so we await His Arrival in the clouds where only those in
the Church can/will see Him.
The Book of Revelation chapter 4 through 17 unveils God’s plan
for the Jewish and Gentile Peoples alike. 95% of the churches
today throw away these chapters of Revelation and all chapters
of the OT starting from Gen 15 to the NT or symbolize GOD’s WORD
to fit their life styles or worldview. To do this, they must
include the Jewish people in the Church or remove them
altogether (Satan’s plan)
Revelation gives us the “end times” of the world as we know it.
It shows us what is fixing to happen to all the EarthDwellers
(Jew and Gentile unbelievers alike).
Daniels 70th week was designed and prophesied in Zek 13:9, to
force a remnant of Israel (one third) to call upon the Name of
GOD. It will also bring a conclusion, to all unbelievers in the
world and begin a period known today as the Millennium. A 1000
years of PEACE, TRANQUILITY ruled by Jesus Christ sitting on
David’s Throne which so long ago was prophesied by Gabriel to
Mary.
Jesus Christ will rule from David’s throne (Luke 1:26-33)..Luke
1:33..”He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the
Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his
father David: “
Zek 13:9.”And I will bring the third part through the
fire,….....(The Remnant of Israel will be only a third part of
those who started Daniel’s 70th week. )“……. and will refine them
as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried:……..” (
will bring them through the Great Tribulation (last 3 ½ years of
Daniel’s 70th week),
Mat 24:21 “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not
since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever
shall be. “ For Jesus named the last half of Daniel’s 70th week
and told everyone what to expect
Zek 13:9..”………..they shall call on my name, and I will hear
them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD
is my God. “
These “end time” prophecies have not happened yet as we await
the removal of the Bride (The Body of Christ) from this earth.
Yet, as all the fulfilled prophecies have been 100% true in the
past, so shall all the remaining prophecies become, regardless
of how Mankind restructures, removes, replaces or ignores them.
God tells us there will be a Millennium where Jesus Christ will
rule with a fist of iron and the very ‘Remnant of Israel’ so
many today HATE, will rule over all the nations with Him in
Jerusalem.
GOD’s Holy City.
I believe Him
DO YOU?
Blade
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
By: Scripter Date: September 30, 2018, 5:31 pm
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Hey Blade,
thanks for being more informed about the 1st century than most.
You got into trouble later:
(2) the AOD had already happened once
this is grammatical nonsense. he's telling them it would happen
to them, and it was a signal to them to get out.
God does not have 2 plans going between which adepts in the 20th
century are supposedly the new super Christians and 'get it'
which no one before ever did.
The 'son of perdition' of Dan 8-9 was the leader of the
rebellion against the occupying forces. It is called the
'rebellion that desolates' and that phrase becomes 'the
abomination that desolates' when used next. The Jews had tried
'holy rebellion' by the time Christ came (the Maccabees), and
they were NOT supposed to try it again. Instead, they were
supposed to be missionaries of the Gospel to the whole world.
Mt24A (to v29) is concerning 1st century Judea. It is direct
and its details show this. After it was over, the expectation
was that the final judgement of all mankind would take place, so
the 1st generation of believers were serious about getting as
spread as they could. But there was an allowance. God might
not end the world, as we know from some parables and from Peter.
And from 'only the Father knows.'
This allowance contingency is where ALL eschatology trips and
thinks it is unquestionably correct while it is all a clunky,
noisy parade of mistakes and exceptions.
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
By: guest8 Date: September 30, 2018, 7:53 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=119.msg1288#msg1288
date=1538346719]
Hey Blade,
thanks for being more informed about the 1st century than most.
You got into trouble later:
(2) the AOD had already happened once
this is grammatical nonsense. he's telling them it would happen
to them, and it was a signal to them to get out.
God does not have 2 plans going between which adepts in the 20th
century are supposedly the new super Christians and 'get it'
which no one before ever did.
The 'son of perdition' of Dan 8-9 was the leader of the
rebellion against the occupying forces. It is called the
'rebellion that desolates' and that phrase becomes 'the
abomination that desolates' when used next. The Jews had tried
'holy rebellion' by the time Christ came (the Maccabees), and
they were NOT supposed to try it again. Instead, they were
supposed to be missionaries of the Gospel to the whole world.
Mt24A (to v29) is concerning 1st century Judea. It is direct
and its details show this. After it was over, the expectation
was that the final judgement of all mankind would take place, so
the 1st generation of believers were serious about getting as
spread as they could. But there was an allowance. God might
not end the world, as we know from some parables and from Peter.
And from 'only the Father knows.'
This allowance contingency is where ALL eschatology trips and
thinks it is unquestionably correct while it is all a clunky,
noisy parade of mistakes and exceptions.
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[shadow=blue,left]
Scripter.. in 167 BC, Seleucid ruler Antiochus IV ("Epiphanes"),
ordered swine to be offered in every village around Jerusalem.
He also erected an Idol of Zeus in the Holy of Holies. This was
the First Abomination of Desolate.
The second has not occurred yet. I can with certainty tell you
and all others, the AOD did not happen in 70 AD nor has it
happened since.
Blade
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
By: guest2 Date: September 30, 2018, 8:37 pm
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Forget LaHaye's fantasy flicks.
HTML http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/mat04.html
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
By: guest8 Date: September 30, 2018, 10:34 pm
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[quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=119.msg1294#msg1294
date=1538357829]
Forget LaHaye's fantasy flicks.
HTML http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/mat04.html
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[shadow=blue,left]1Mind1Spirit..It would be better if you told
me what you are getting out of that video as it probably has
different denotations for me.
I would be easy to speak about it.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
By: Scripter Date: October 1, 2018, 8:07 pm
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Blade,
I don't know how you can miss this, but please turn your brain
on.
How does Jesus in 32 BC "warn" Israel about an AofD that
happened in 167 BC and not mention there are two (no one does)?
Stop being so dominated by headlines that you won't do your
historical work.
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
By: guest8 Date: October 1, 2018, 8:46 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=119.msg1328#msg1328
date=1538442469]
Blade,
I don't know how you can miss this, but please turn your brain
on.
How does Jesus in 32 BC "warn" Israel about an AofD that
happened in 167 BC and not mention there are two (no one does)?
Stop being so dominated by headlines that you won't do your
historical work.
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[shadow=blue,left]Scripter/Interplanner....you are funny but
very very historically incorrect. You are so far out there ,
there is not need to discuss this with you.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
By: Scripter Date: October 3, 2018, 8:02 am
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A person (you) should explain how one are two, and how 32 AD is
before 167 BC. That's all.
Either Christ was dialed into the horrible situation that was
going to happen in that generation (Lk 23:28) or he is a flowery
clown who likes to sound serious but is actually talking about
things X000 years in the future. In that "you" and "be on your
guard" and "get out of the city" are all meaningless in their
direct sense.
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
By: guest8 Date: October 4, 2018, 6:35 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=119.msg1379#msg1379
date=1538571768]
A person (you) should explain how one are two, and how 32 AD is
before 167 BC. That's all.
Either Christ was dialed into the horrible situation that was
going to happen in that generation (Lk 23:28) or he is a flowery
clown who likes to sound serious but is actually talking about
things X000 years in the future. In that "you" and "be on your
guard" and "get out of the city" are all meaningless in their
direct sense.
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[shadow=blue,left]Well,,,Surely you know the difference in AD
and BC... Even Wikipedia knows that?
Luke 23:28.. "But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of
Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for
your children."
This verse tells us who Jesus was speaking to.. The Jewish
people in the Temple. He was telling them what was going to
happen in the near future.
By the way this happened in 70 AD 38 years after He predicted
it. This is the same amount of time Israel spent in the
Wilderness after getting out of Bondage from Egypt.
The Christians that believed in Jesus took His WORD to heart.
They left when the city was surrounded. Because of (I believe)
divine intervention, the Roman army surrounded Jerusalem for
around 18 months in a sort of "time out' mode.
It is said that NO (0) Christians were killed during this time
yet over 1 million Jewish people died from direct attack on
themselves, Pestilence (includes Biological agents),
Starvation/Famine (mothers ate their own children). These are
known as Desolates of War.
I wish I could say something that would get you to see it before
it is too late. Alas, I see no light in sight.
Oh, and the OT, you know that other part of the Bible, tells us
that the first AOD did happen in 167 BC. The Maccabee Revolt
removed the Greek armies after 3 years of fighting. They
destroyed all utensils and remade them. They cleaned the temple.
They rededicated it in 170 BC and that Re-dedication is know as
Hanukkah.
Blade
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
By: Scripter Date: October 6, 2018, 6:39 pm
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If you are talking about what matters to the audience of Mt 24,
there is only 1 AofD. It was the rebellion that desolated the
country. You have all the details on that, I don't know where
we disagree. The abomination or man of sin was not something
X000 years in the future which would hardly be relevant to the
people listening.
But Jesus in Mt 24 would not be warning[i] about an event that
took place 200 years earlier than the audience before him, would
he? That's what it sounds like you are saying.[/i]
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