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Jesus Christ is the creation of God ... walk softly my friends
By: Billy Evmur Date: December 12, 2020, 8:07 am
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You do not understand this. He is God's created form, He is God
created, He IS God.
The key to understanding this is to know that He was created in
eternity where is neither beginning or end, therefore there
never was a time when He was not. The human mind cannot
comprehend eternity.
He IS God. God is a spirit, invisible, Jesus Christ is God's
visibility. Everything that God is is in Christ Jesus. That is
what the bible means when it says He is the exact image of the
invisible God. We will never see God except in the face of Jesus
Christ.
If you ponder this it will blow your mind ... you will worship
Jesus Christ as perhaps you never have before.
#Post#: 22124--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jesus Christ is the creation of God ... walk softly my frien
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By: guest8 Date: December 12, 2020, 8:48 am
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=1141.msg22123#msg22123
date=1607782079]
You do not understand this. He is God's created form, He is God
created, He IS God.
The key to understanding this is to know that He was created in
eternity where is neither beginning or end, therefore there
never was a time when He was not. The human mind cannot
comprehend eternity.
He IS God. God is a spirit, invisible, Jesus Christ is God's
visibility. Everything that God is is in Christ Jesus. That is
what the bible means when it says He is the exact image of the
invisible God. We will never see God except in the face of Jesus
Christ.
If you ponder this it will blow your mind ... you will worship
Jesus Christ as perhaps you never have before.
[/quote]
makes you want to read His words Literally!
Blade
#Post#: 22126--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jesus Christ is the creation of God ... walk softly my frien
ds
By: patrick jane Date: December 12, 2020, 10:12 am
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All the fulness of the Godhead, bodily is what it says.
#Post#: 22238--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jesus Christ is the creation of God ... walk softly my frien
ds
By: patrick jane Date: December 15, 2020, 8:06 am
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=1141.msg22123#msg22123
date=1607782079]
You do not understand this. He is God's created form, He is God
created, He IS God.
The key to understanding this is to know that He was created in
eternity where is neither beginning or end, therefore there
never was a time when He was not. The human mind cannot
comprehend eternity.
He IS God. God is a spirit, invisible, Jesus Christ is God's
visibility. Everything that God is is in Christ Jesus. That is
what the bible means when it says He is the exact image of the
invisible God. We will never see God except in the face of Jesus
Christ.
If you ponder this it will blow your mind ... you will worship
Jesus Christ as perhaps you never have before.
[/quote]I disagree Billy and what's with the large letters? The
Lord Jesus Christ has always been with God the Father and Christ
is uncreated, just as God is uncreated. Sorry to burst your
little bubble bro.
#Post#: 22246--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jesus Christ is the creation of God ... walk softly my frien
ds
By: guest8 Date: December 15, 2020, 6:25 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1141.msg22238#msg22238
date=1608041164]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=1141.msg22123#msg22123
date=1607782079]
You do not understand this. He is God's created form, He is God
created, He IS God.
The key to understanding this is to know that He was created in
eternity where is neither beginning or end, therefore there
never was a time when He was not. The human mind cannot
comprehend eternity.
He IS God. God is a spirit, invisible, Jesus Christ is God's
visibility. Everything that God is is in Christ Jesus. That is
what the bible means when it says He is the exact image of the
invisible God. We will never see God except in the face of Jesus
Christ.
If you ponder this it will blow your mind ... you will worship
Jesus Christ as perhaps you never have before.
[/quote]I disagree Billy and what's with the large letters? The
Lord Jesus Christ has always been with God the Father and Christ
is uncreated, just as God is uncreated. Sorry to burst your
little bubble bro.
[/quote]
I agree with PJ.... If one took a triangle and laid down all
three side on the ground would one be creating each side. NO,
because each side is as part of the total (in this case a
triangle) as the other sides.
Thanks P>J>
Blade
#Post#: 22383--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jesus Christ is the creation of God ... walk softly my frien
ds
By: Billy Evmur Date: December 17, 2020, 6:54 pm
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Philippians 2.vs. 5-6.
Have this mind among yourselves. which ye have in Christ Jesus,
who though He was in the form of God, thought it not robbery to
be equal with God He humbled Himself.
Colossians.1. vs.15
He is the image of of the invisible God, the firstborn of all
creation.
Hebrews 1. vs. 3
Who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of
His Person.
#Post#: 27034--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jesus Christ is the creation of God ... walk softly my frien
ds
By: patrick jane Date: March 17, 2021, 6:45 am
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Evangelical Thinking on the Trinity Is Often Remarkably
Revisionist
Theologian Matthew Barrett diagnoses our drift away from an
orthodox understanding of Father, Son, and Spirit.
By and large, American evangelical Christians have conservative
views of Scripture and morality. According to theologian Matthew
Barrett, however, their most basic claims about God are often
remarkably revisionist.
Barrett, professor at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
and executive editor of Credo Magazine, is the author of Simply
Trinity: The Unmanipulated Father, Son, and Spirit. The book—a
follow-up to his 2019 work None Greater: The Undomesticated
Attributes of God—does two things. First, it shows how a good
portion of evangelical theology on the Trinity has drifted from
the classical Christian tradition. Second, it recruits a
veritable “dream team” of teachers from across that tradition to
lead readers back to the safe harbor of biblical orthodoxy. The
tone is accessible, but the sources are deep.
How has evangelicalism gone wrong in its understanding of the
Trinity? Barrett ranges broadly, but he fixes on the
development, in recent theology, of what he calls “social
trinitarianism.” Proponents of this view, which is more of a
common posture than a monolithic school, tend to conceive of the
oneness of God as a community of persons. Barrett introduces
some of its major figures, including liberal theologians like
Jürgen Moltmann and Leonardo Boff and American conservative
counterparts like Wayne Grudem and Bruce Ware.
The hallmark of social Trinitarianism is its willingness to
appropriate the relationships between the persons of the Trinity
as a model for various social projects. For liberals like
Moltmann and Boff, this can mean invoking the equal status of
Father, Son, and Spirit to advance an egalitarian vision of
society. Conservatives like Grudem and Ware sometimes point to
supposed hierarchies within the Trinity—namely, what they call
the Son’s “eternal submission” to the Father—as grounds for
their complementarian views on gender roles. (Plenty of
complementarians disagree. Liam Goligher, pastor of Tenth
Presbyterian Church, raised the alarm several years ago in a
viral blog post accusing Grudem and Ware of undermining the
unity that exists between Father, Son, and Spirit.) Simply
Trinity provides a thorough analysis of how revisionist trends
in Trinitarian theology have settled into the seemingly
conservative world of American evangelicalism.
What’s the way home? In part two of his book, Barrett retrieves
classical Trinitarian teachings, addressing the relationship of
eternity and history while affirming the oneness and simplicity
of God. The doctrines he covers—the “eternal generation” of the
Son, the “eternal procession” of the Spirit, and the
“inseparable operations” of the triune God—can sound rather
elevated, but Barrett explains them with ease and clarity.
Amid these chapters, Barrett also offers a single chapter
examining the claim by Grudem, Ware, and others that the Son is
“eternally subordinate” to the Father. He rightly shows that the
relations of origin between Father, Son, and Spirit profoundly
affect our understanding of salvation.
The book isn’t perfect. Barrett doesn’t always go deep enough in
addressing either the root causes of recent revisionism or the
glories of classical Christian understandings of the Trinity.
And he fails to locate the work of Trinitarian reflection within
larger questions of Christian spiritual formation, which
restricts the book’s focus mainly to matters of intellectual
debate and biblical interpretation.
This doesn’t quite match the mode of classical Christian
thought. Take the fourth-century church father Gregory of
Nazianzus, for example. In his Five Theological Orations, he
certainly addresses Bible passages about the Father, Son, and
Spirit—but only after reflecting on the spiritual preparation
needed for Trinitarian conversation.
In his Confessions, Augustine demonstrates that God, as
characterized in Scripture, is a person unlike any other. But
Social Trinitarianisms, of the left or the right, tend to make
the mistake of drawing false analogies between God and other
people. Unless we address that root malady, we’ll continuing
seeing symptoms of theological error pop up from time to time.
Still, Simply Trinity goes a long way toward identifying and
excising some of these harmful tendencies. For anyone who has
read confusing blog posts about the Trinity in recent years, the
book will help you regain your theological bearings. And for
anyone seeking to recover the riches of worshiping one God in
three persons, Barrett will prove a more than able guide.
Michael Allen is the John Dyer Trimble Professor of Systematic
Theology at Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando, Florida.
He is a co-editor of The Oxford Handbook of Reformed Theology.
#Post#: 27057--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jesus Christ is the creation of God ... walk softly my frien
ds
By: guest8 Date: March 17, 2021, 10:33 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=1141.msg27034#msg27034
date=1615981525]
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HTML https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/march/matthew-barrett-simply-trinity-evangelical-revisionist.html
Evangelical Thinking on the Trinity Is Often Remarkably
Revisionist
Theologian Matthew Barrett diagnoses our drift away from an
orthodox understanding of Father, Son, and Spirit.
By and large, American evangelical Christians have conservative
views of Scripture and morality. According to theologian Matthew
Barrett, however, their most basic claims about God are often
remarkably revisionist.
Barrett, professor at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
and executive editor of Credo Magazine, is the author of Simply
Trinity: The Unmanipulated Father, Son, and Spirit. The book—a
follow-up to his 2019 work None Greater: The Undomesticated
Attributes of God—does two things. First, it shows how a good
portion of evangelical theology on the Trinity has drifted from
the classical Christian tradition. Second, it recruits a
veritable “dream team” of teachers from across that tradition to
lead readers back to the safe harbor of biblical orthodoxy. The
tone is accessible, but the sources are deep.
How has evangelicalism gone wrong in its understanding of the
Trinity? Barrett ranges broadly, but he fixes on the
development, in recent theology, of what he calls “social
trinitarianism.” Proponents of this view, which is more of a
common posture than a monolithic school, tend to conceive of the
oneness of God as a community of persons. Barrett introduces
some of its major figures, including liberal theologians like
Jürgen Moltmann and Leonardo Boff and American conservative
counterparts like Wayne Grudem and Bruce Ware.
The hallmark of social Trinitarianism is its willingness to
appropriate the relationships between the persons of the Trinity
as a model for various social projects. For liberals like
Moltmann and Boff, this can mean invoking the equal status of
Father, Son, and Spirit to advance an egalitarian vision of
society. Conservatives like Grudem and Ware sometimes point to
supposed hierarchies within the Trinity—namely, what they call
the Son’s “eternal submission” to the Father—as grounds for
their complementarian views on gender roles. (Plenty of
complementarians disagree. Liam Goligher, pastor of Tenth
Presbyterian Church, raised the alarm several years ago in a
viral blog post accusing Grudem and Ware of undermining the
unity that exists between Father, Son, and Spirit.) Simply
Trinity provides a thorough analysis of how revisionist trends
in Trinitarian theology have settled into the seemingly
conservative world of American evangelicalism.
What’s the way home? In part two of his book, Barrett retrieves
classical Trinitarian teachings, addressing the relationship of
eternity and history while affirming the oneness and simplicity
of God. The doctrines he covers—the “eternal generation” of the
Son, the “eternal procession” of the Spirit, and the
“inseparable operations” of the triune God—can sound rather
elevated, but Barrett explains them with ease and clarity.
Amid these chapters, Barrett also offers a single chapter
examining the claim by Grudem, Ware, and others that the Son is
“eternally subordinate” to the Father. He rightly shows that the
relations of origin between Father, Son, and Spirit profoundly
affect our understanding of salvation.
The book isn’t perfect. Barrett doesn’t always go deep enough in
addressing either the root causes of recent revisionism or the
glories of classical Christian understandings of the Trinity.
And he fails to locate the work of Trinitarian reflection within
larger questions of Christian spiritual formation, which
restricts the book’s focus mainly to matters of intellectual
debate and biblical interpretation.
This doesn’t quite match the mode of classical Christian
thought. Take the fourth-century church father Gregory of
Nazianzus, for example. In his Five Theological Orations, he
certainly addresses Bible passages about the Father, Son, and
Spirit—but only after reflecting on the spiritual preparation
needed for Trinitarian conversation.
In his Confessions, Augustine demonstrates that God, as
characterized in Scripture, is a person unlike any other. But
Social Trinitarianisms, of the left or the right, tend to make
the mistake of drawing false analogies between God and other
people. Unless we address that root malady, we’ll continuing
seeing symptoms of theological error pop up from time to time.
Still, Simply Trinity goes a long way toward identifying and
excising some of these harmful tendencies. For anyone who has
read confusing blog posts about the Trinity in recent years, the
book will help you regain your theological bearings. And for
anyone seeking to recover the riches of worshiping one God in
three persons, Barrett will prove a more than able guide.
Michael Allen is the John Dyer Trimble Professor of Systematic
Theology at Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando, Florida.
He is a co-editor of The Oxford Handbook of Reformed Theology.
[/quote]
Tis what a lot of Godless people say...Jesus is GOD.
Blade
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