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#Post#: 16409--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chaplain's Chat
By: guest24 Date: August 18, 2020, 6:41 am
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[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=11.msg16390#msg16390 date=1597684491]
Actually Lori, The thought occurred and then I got distracted
and did not finish my thought.
What I was getting at, if we do not have faith in ourselves as
in faith in our own faith and belief in God, then having faith
alone will not stand up to tempations and tests of life. Our
faith in our own faith must be so strong that our faith in God
is unwavering.
That is all the further I got into my thought process.
Hope that helps explain my thought better.
[/quote]I guess I see it as faith in God and His promises rather
than faith in myself. I was taught to short version, hate
myself and there are times where that is a problem but other
times when it is a great blessing because I put no faith in
myself, thus having to put faith in someone else, I chose to
trust God. Hope that makes sense....I am not saying you are
wrong, just saying how I see the terminology if nothing else.
#Post#: 16410--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chaplain's Chat
By: guest24 Date: August 18, 2020, 6:47 am
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I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans
10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.
but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage
fits into the discussion?
#Post#: 16411--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chaplain's Chat
By: patrick jane Date: August 18, 2020, 7:25 am
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16410#msg16410
date=1597751245]
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans
10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.
but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage
fits into the discussion?
[/quote]It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously
you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
#Post#: 16419--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chaplain's Chat
By: guest24 Date: August 18, 2020, 9:31 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=11.msg16411#msg16411
date=1597753512]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16410#msg16410
date=1597751245]
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans
10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.
but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage
fits into the discussion?
[/quote]It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously
you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
[/quote]i am a firm believer in the totality of scripture so
lets add Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me,
to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more
highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according
as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
to our undersstanding...if our faith is in our faith, who is our
faith really in if He is the one that gave it to us? And if HE
is the one that gave it to us, then we must have heard HIS voice
in order to have recieved it, whether it was from the Bible, a
teacher, a preacher, a song, or just from the Spirit's whisper,
or yell (lol)
#Post#: 16420--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chaplain's Chat
By: patrick jane Date: August 18, 2020, 9:38 am
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16419#msg16419
date=1597761071]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=11.msg16411#msg16411
date=1597753512]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16410#msg16410
date=1597751245]
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans
10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.
but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage
fits into the discussion?
[/quote]It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously
you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
[/quote]i am a firm believer in the totality of scripture so
lets add Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me,
to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more
highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according
as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
to our understanding...if our faith is in our faith, who is our
faith really in if He is the one that gave it to us? And if HE
is the one that gave it to us, then we must have heard HIS voice
in order to have recieved it, whether it was from the Bible, a
teacher, a preacher, a song, or just from the Spirit's whisper,
or yell (lol)
[/quote]Amen. I was thinking of those who never heard of Jesus
or the words in scripture, like before Jesus walked the earth
etc remote islands and deep jungles etc.
So, I thought that God speaks to us but would we instinctively
"know" God has a Son? Who died for every person for remission of
sins? That's why my statement and subsequent belief that MY
faith is small and weak and we are actually saved by His blood
and His faith. I believe that nothing I do or can ever do in the
earth will "get me to heaven" which also reminds me of the
thread I started about the Crowns awarded in heaven.
#Post#: 16422--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chaplain's Chat
By: guest24 Date: August 18, 2020, 10:14 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=11.msg16420#msg16420
date=1597761506]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16419#msg16419
date=1597761071]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=11.msg16411#msg16411
date=1597753512]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16410#msg16410
date=1597751245]
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans
10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.
but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage
fits into the discussion?
[/quote]It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously
you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
[/quote]i am a firm believer in the totality of scripture so
lets add Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me,
to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more
highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according
as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
to our understanding...if our faith is in our faith, who is our
faith really in if He is the one that gave it to us? And if HE
is the one that gave it to us, then we must have heard HIS voice
in order to have recieved it, whether it was from the Bible, a
teacher, a preacher, a song, or just from the Spirit's whisper,
or yell (lol)
[/quote]Amen. I was thinking of those who never heard of Jesus
or the words in scripture, like before Jesus walked the earth
etc remote islands and deep jungles etc.
So, I thought that God speaks to us but would we instinctively
"know" God has a Son? Who died for every person for remission of
sins? That's why my statement and subsequent belief that MY
faith is small and weak and we are actually saved by His blood
and His faith. I believe that nothing I do or can ever do in the
earth will "get me to heaven" which also reminds me of the
thread I started about the Crowns awarded in heaven.
[/quote]some time ago, Brian was telling me about a phenomena
where all around the world there is a "God" story similar to the
Christ...which reminds me of the passage that says we are
without excuse.
#Post#: 16443--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chaplain's Chat
By: guest8 Date: August 19, 2020, 9:15 am
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[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16422#msg16422
date=1597763676]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=11.msg16420#msg16420
date=1597761506]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16419#msg16419
date=1597761071]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=11.msg16411#msg16411
date=1597753512]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16410#msg16410
date=1597751245]
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans
10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.
but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage
fits into the discussion?
[/quote]It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously
you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
[/quote]i am a firm believer in the totality of scripture so
lets add Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me,
to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more
highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according
as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
to our understanding...if our faith is in our faith, who is our
faith really in if He is the one that gave it to us? And if HE
is the one that gave it to us, then we must have heard HIS voice
in order to have recieved it, whether it was from the Bible, a
teacher, a preacher, a song, or just from the Spirit's whisper,
or yell (lol)
[/quote]Amen. I was thinking of those who never heard of Jesus
or the words in scripture, like before Jesus walked the earth
etc remote islands and deep jungles etc.
So, I thought that God speaks to us but would we instinctively
"know" God has a Son? Who died for every person for remission of
sins? That's why my statement and subsequent belief that MY
faith is small and weak and we are actually saved by His blood
and His faith. I believe that nothing I do or can ever do in the
earth will "get me to heaven" which also reminds me of the
thread I started about the Crowns awarded in heaven.
[/quote]some time ago, Brian was telling me about a phenomena
where all around the world there is a "God" story similar to the
Christ...which reminds me of the passage that says we are
without excuse.
[/quote]
Lori...All people even those not touched by missionaries, etc.
have no excuse as to the reality there is a GOD. Even the Bible
tells us so..All they have to do is look outside and see
HIM...'''
Rom 1:20.."For the invisible things of him from the creation of
the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that
are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are
without excuse:"
Therefore nobody on earth can use the excuse: "I did not know"
on Judgement day.
Blade
#Post#: 16446--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chaplain's Chat
By: guest24 Date: August 19, 2020, 12:30 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=11.msg16443#msg16443
date=1597846558]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16422#msg16422
date=1597763676]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=11.msg16420#msg16420
date=1597761506]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16419#msg16419
date=1597761071]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=11.msg16411#msg16411
date=1597753512]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=11.msg16410#msg16410
date=1597751245]
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans
10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.
but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage
fits into the discussion?
[/quote]It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously
you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
[/quote]i am a firm believer in the totality of scripture so
lets add Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me,
to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more
highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according
as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
to our understanding...if our faith is in our faith, who is our
faith really in if He is the one that gave it to us? And if HE
is the one that gave it to us, then we must have heard HIS voice
in order to have recieved it, whether it was from the Bible, a
teacher, a preacher, a song, or just from the Spirit's whisper,
or yell (lol)
[/quote]Amen. I was thinking of those who never heard of Jesus
or the words in scripture, like before Jesus walked the earth
etc remote islands and deep jungles etc.
So, I thought that God speaks to us but would we instinctively
"know" God has a Son? Who died for every person for remission of
sins? That's why my statement and subsequent belief that MY
faith is small and weak and we are actually saved by His blood
and His faith. I believe that nothing I do or can ever do in the
earth will "get me to heaven" which also reminds me of the
thread I started about the Crowns awarded in heaven.
[/quote]some time ago, Brian was telling me about a phenomena
where all around the world there is a "God" story similar to the
Christ...which reminds me of the passage that says we are
without excuse.
[/quote]
Lori...All people even those not touched by missionaries, etc.
have no excuse as to the reality there is a GOD. Even the Bible
tells us so..All they have to do is look outside and see
HIM...'''
Rom 1:20.."For the invisible things of him from the creation of
the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that
are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are
without excuse:"
Therefore nobody on earth can use the excuse: "I did not know"
on Judgement day.
Blade
[/quote]Kind of what I just said...but cool, we agree
#Post#: 16695--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chaplain's Chat
By: guest116 Date: August 27, 2020, 1:41 am
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The British Library has put some of the most famous religious
texts online. Their new collection, Discovering Sacred Texts, is
accessible to the public (www.bl.uk/sacred-texts/). It features
nearly 300 texts that are sacred to a variety of religions,
including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and
Zoroastrianism. For some of these texts, it is the first time
they have been made available to the general public. Some
highlights include the first complete Mishnah (from 1492), the
Codex Sinaiticus (one of the earliest Christian Bibles, from the
fourth century), and the Ma’il Quran (one of the oldest copies
of the Quran, from the eighth century). Now anyone can explore
these manuscripts—from anywhere in the world with internet
access!
From Biblical Archeology magazine.
#Post#: 16709--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chaplain's Chat
By: guest8 Date: August 27, 2020, 8:48 pm
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[quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=11.msg16695#msg16695 date=1598510466]
The British Library has put some of the most famous religious
texts online. Their new collection, Discovering Sacred Texts, is
accessible to the public (www.bl.uk/sacred-texts/). It features
nearly 300 texts that are sacred to a variety of religions,
including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and
Zoroastrianism. For some of these texts, it is the first time
they have been made available to the general public. Some
highlights include the first complete Mishnah (from 1492), the
Codex Sinaiticus (one of the earliest Christian Bibles, from the
fourth century), and the Ma’il Quran (one of the oldest copies
of the Quran, from the eighth century). Now anyone can explore
these manuscripts—from anywhere in the world with internet
access!
From Biblical Archeology magazine.
[/quote]
Thanks Mark, there are some good material within this link.
While I have scanned over several articles, I have also saved
the link for future reference.
Thanks.
Blade
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