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       #Post#: 14862--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest116 Date: July 5, 2020, 9:59 pm
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       I took it as you meant it you sincere beliefs and the point as a
       theologian that you are coming from.  I love all viewpoints as
       that is how I gain knowledge perspective and understanding.
       That is why we are all here is it not and exchange of ideas, and
       beliefs in the glory of God?
       #Post#: 14872--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest8 Date: July 5, 2020, 10:38 pm
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       [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
       link=topic=11.msg14862#msg14862 date=1594004363]
       I took it as you meant it you sincere beliefs and the point as a
       theologian that you are coming from.  I love all viewpoints as
       that is how I gain knowledge perspective and understanding.
       That is why we are all here is it not and exchange of ideas, and
       beliefs in the glory of God?
       [/quote]
       Amen!
       Blade
       #Post#: 14884--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest116 Date: July 6, 2020, 2:35 pm
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       While I was going through the various Bibles that I have that
       are King James Versions I came across a slip of paper  I wish I
       could take credit for, but alas it was my mothers insights she
       had written and stuck in my baptismal gift Bible.
       It goes like this
       This book contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way
       of Salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of
       believers.  Its doctrines are Holy,  its principles are binding,
       its histories are true and its decisions are immutable.  Read it
       to be wise, believe it to be safe, practice it to be Holy.
       It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and
       comfort to cheer you.  It is travelers map, the pilgrim's staff,
       the pilot's com[pass, the soldier's sword, and the Christians
       chart.  In here Paradise is restored, heaven opened and the
       gates of hell disclosed.   Christ is its grand subject, our good
       its design, and the Glory to God its end.  It should fill the
       memory, rule the heard, guide the feet.  Read it slowly,
       fervently and prayerfully.
       It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of health, and a river of
       pleasure.  It is given to you in life, will be opened in
       judgement and will be remembered forever.   It involves the
       highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and condemns
       all who trifles with its Holy content.
       Give to you my son, December 1966.
       
       #Post#: 14885--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: patrick jane Date: July 6, 2020, 2:43 pm
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       [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
       link=topic=11.msg14884#msg14884 date=1594064142]
       While I was going through the various Bibles that I have that
       are King James Versions I came across a slip of paper  I wish I
       could take credit for, but alas it was my mothers insights she
       had written and stuck in my baptismal gift Bible.
       It goes like this
       This book contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way
       of Salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of
       believers.  Its doctrines are Holy,  its principles are binding,
       its histories are true and its decisions are immutable.  Read it
       to be wise, believe it to be safe, practice it to be Holy.
       It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and
       comfort to cheer you.  It is travelers map, the pilgrim's staff,
       the pilot's com[pass, the soldier's sword, and the Christians
       chart.  In here Paradise is restored, heaven opened and the
       gates of hell disclosed.   Christ is its grand subject, our good
       its design, and the Glory to God its end.  It should fill the
       memory, rule the heard, guide the feet.  Read it slowly,
       fervently and prayerfully.
       It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of health, and a river of
       pleasure.  It is given to you in life, will be opened in
       judgement and will be remembered forever.   It involves the
       highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and condemns
       all who trifles with its Holy content.
       Give to you my son, December 1966.
       
       [/quote]Wow, 54 years ago. That is beautiful.
       #Post#: 14903--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest8 Date: July 6, 2020, 10:16 pm
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       [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=11.msg14885#msg14885
       date=1594064612]
       [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
       link=topic=11.msg14884#msg14884 date=1594064142]
       While I was going through the various Bibles that I have that
       are King James Versions I came across a slip of paper  I wish I
       could take credit for, but alas it was my mothers insights she
       had written and stuck in my baptismal gift Bible.
       It goes like this
       This book contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way
       of Salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of
       believers.  Its doctrines are Holy,  its principles are binding,
       its histories are true and its decisions are immutable.  Read it
       to be wise, believe it to be safe, practice it to be Holy.
       It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and
       comfort to cheer you.  It is travelers map, the pilgrim's staff,
       the pilot's com[pass, the soldier's sword, and the Christians
       chart.  In here Paradise is restored, heaven opened and the
       gates of hell disclosed.   Christ is its grand subject, our good
       its design, and the Glory to God its end.  It should fill the
       memory, rule the heard, guide the feet.  Read it slowly,
       fervently and prayerfully.
       It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of health, and a river of
       pleasure.  It is given to you in life, will be opened in
       judgement and will be remembered forever.   It involves the
       highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and condemns
       all who trifles with its Holy content.
       Give to you my son, December 1966.
       
       [/quote]Wow, 54 years ago. That is beautiful.
       [/quote]
       As many mothers, still taking care of her son! Beautiful Yes.
       Blade
       #Post#: 15350--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest116 Date: July 17, 2020, 12:27 pm
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       In reading a biography about C.S. Lewis and have read one
       recentlyon Tolkien I have came to a conclusion we need another
       ers as the 1930"s in publishing in English literature.  The main
       stream books published all had a undercurrent of Christian
       themes in them.  It was a marvelous era for authors of certain
       beliefs.
       That is what we need for the intellectual side of our beleifs.
       #Post#: 15500--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest116 Date: July 23, 2020, 1:19 am
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       Many people think they have left Chrisitian behind them.  That
       it is no longer needed or necessary.  Some even claim they are
       atheists.  But, my question is, if you look at how they were and
       how they are now, can you honestly say the were ever truly
       believers in Christianity?  Some may never had even a proper
       introduction to it.
       This is something that I have been contemplating lately.
       What are your thoughts on this?
       #Post#: 15877--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest24 Date: August 5, 2020, 7:02 am
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       [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
       link=topic=11.msg15500#msg15500 date=1595485171]
       Many people think they have left Chrisitian behind them.  That
       it is no longer needed or necessary.  Some even claim they are
       atheists.  But, my question is, if you look at how they were and
       how they are now, can you honestly say the were ever truly
       believers in Christianity?  Some may never had even a proper
       introduction to it.
       This is something that I have been contemplating lately.
       What are your thoughts on this?
       [/quote]Since I do not believe it is impossible to "fall away" I
       believe that for some it is that they never understood they need
       an actual relationship with God, personal and all but for
       others, they simply didn't have deep enough roots to sustain
       them.
       I also believe that some of the falling away is on the church
       unfortunately.  Our pastor has been fond of saying that in many
       instances we are just leaving the newborn believer on the floor
       to fend for themselves...meaning we are not disciplineing them.
       In fact, discipleship is what we feel God is calling and leading
       us into because it is sorely missing it seems in the churches
       today.
       #Post#: 15879--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest116 Date: August 5, 2020, 10:33 am
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       While I do think you can stray away, not sure if you can fall
       completely away.  While I never topped beleiveing, I did stray
       down a different path that pushed my beliefs to the back of my
       thoughts and action for many years.  While I never stopped
       praying and did not stop my conversations with God,  I was not
       giving anything a active thought.
       I  fully agree some of the fault falls squarely on the churches.
       The church I grew up in had a mentorship program to bring new
       members and new converts along for a full year.   When I started
       my journey back to faith, I had no one so I used books, you
       tube, forums like this and now it is a habit that has replaced
       the church more that it should.  I still feel abandon by the
       church is most of it.   That is not how it was intend by the
       founding apostles and disciplines of Christ.
       Thank you for a good post to stimulate thought.
       #Post#: 15880--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest24 Date: August 5, 2020, 2:11 pm
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       [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
       link=topic=11.msg15879#msg15879 date=1596641633]
       While I do think you can stray away, not sure if you can fall
       completely away.  While I never topped beleiveing, I did stray
       down a different path that pushed my beliefs to the back of my
       thoughts and action for many years.  While I never stopped
       praying and did not stop my conversations with God,  I was not
       giving anything a active thought.
       I  fully agree some of the fault falls squarely on the churches.
       The church I grew up in had a mentorship program to bring new
       members and new converts along for a full year.   When I started
       my journey back to faith, I had no one so I used books, you
       tube, forums like this and now it is a habit that has replaced
       the church more that it should.  I still feel abandon by the
       church is most of it.   That is not how it was intend by the
       founding apostles and disciplines of Christ.
       Thank you for a good post to stimulate thought.
       [/quote]I have never walked away, even for a season (btw, I
       believe there is a difference between straying and falling away)
       so I can't relate to that but as to the church I totally get it.
       We ourselves did not go to a local church body for a season and
       we didn't have a lot of access at that time to on line things.
       The church can and often is a very hostile place.  I pray for a
       revival including but not limited to the "church".
       If you ever feel the need to talk I'm just a PM away or Brian
       would be happy to talk or listen ;) as well.  (in case you don't
       know, Brian is my husband and is easiest found on the theology
       forum as chaplain but I can give you more contact for him as
       well.
       To give you an idea, not only have we experienced some of the
       usual abuses of the church but one church where Brian pastored,
       got so upset about him preaching that we are to love even our
       enemies that they threatened him, when he stood firm, they
       threatened me, when that didn't cause him to cave, they
       threatened our children, when he still stood firm, they fired
       him.  We went to another church and they got so upset that a
       couple of much older deaccons children literally through our
       then young boys against the brick wall, we were on the verge of
       ER visit...didn't take long for them to fire him after that, all
       because he would not cave on the word of God...and that is just
       a few stories I could share.
       Today we are part of a body but have been mistreated there as
       well.  So we focus on the faithful there and the ministry God is
       calling us into and allow God to defend us, protect us, and even
       avenge us in His time.  (Not that we want vengeance but that God
       will punish those that need corrected and judge as is just.
       May you grow in our Lord and King as you fall deeper and deeper
       in Love with Him.
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