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       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: patrick jane Date: May 14, 2020, 12:48 am
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       I'm lonely.
       #Post#: 13169--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest116 Date: May 21, 2020, 12:23 am
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       A very nice story to think on
       #Post#: 13944--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest116 Date: June 4, 2020, 11:13 pm
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       I have been reading and studying John Wesley.  What I am
       struggling with his getting a clear understanding of his
       philosophy "Grace before Faith".
       #Post#: 13946--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: patrick jane Date: June 4, 2020, 11:22 pm
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       [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
       link=topic=11.msg13944#msg13944 date=1591330388]
       I have been reading and studying John Wesley.  What I am
       struggling with his getting a clear understanding of his
       philosophy "Grace before Faith".
       [/quote]Does that mean we are saved before we ever believe?
       #Post#: 13949--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest116 Date: June 4, 2020, 11:38 pm
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       That is what I am struggling with.  In the totality of a cursor
       reading, it does not seem to be what is meant, but when broken
       down into his three main points, that is one of his main points
       of difference from him, Calvin and Luther.
       #Post#: 14296--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: patrick jane Date: June 17, 2020, 8:25 am
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       Why So Many Marriages Break Up... (And The Solution) | Derek
       Prince
       4 minutes
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       #Post#: 14842--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest116 Date: July 4, 2020, 5:29 pm
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       If all of us are honest as theologians, we must admit we are in
       the midst of a paradigm shift in the perception, acceptance, and
       view of the bible, the church, and the Christian religion.  As
       more of the 20 and 30-year-olds move into leadership positions
       in religion, they bring a different view that is driving this
       shift.
       I know many I speak with and when in seminary, spoke with, in
       that age bracket felt that Christian, as it has been present, is
       no longer in sync with their faith and belief.  Yet in
       conversation it was obvious we are speaking about the same
       things and we have the same beliefs.  It was apparent to me at
       least that it was in the execution and the understanding.   This
       shift is forcing all Christian denominations from Catholics to
       evangelicals to review what they are doing and how they are
       doing it.
       So is religion as we know it facing extinction in its present
       form, or as my son put it, committing suicide because of its
       rigid adherence to 500-year-old dogma?  I think we are.  We can
       present a more current message without sacrificing faith and
       belief as we believe Jesus was teaching us.    To many of us
       have strayed from the root messages and teach to further a
       denominations agenda or a personal agenda that has little to do
       with faith and belief.  THIS HAS TO CHANGE.  If it does not we
       will be on the trash heap of history.
       #Post#: 14852--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest116 Date: July 5, 2020, 2:17 pm
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       If I said I am a Christian, I am not saying I am a clean living
       person, I am whispering that I am not, that I was lost, but have
       been found and forgiven. If I tell you I am a Christian I am not
       speaking it with pride, I am whispering it, as I know I have to
       stumble and need Christ in my life as my guide.   I am not
       trying to be strong if I say I am a Christian, no I am admitting
       I am weak and need His strength to carry on.  If I told you I am
       a Christian I am not bragging, no I am stating I have failed,
       and I have failed many times, and need God to help me clean up
       my messes.  If I tell you I am a Christian  I am not claiming I
       perfect, My flaws are far too many and way too visible for that
       claim,  by God believes I am worth his grace.  When I say I do
       say I am a Christian  I am not saying it as holier than thou, no
       I am just a simple everyday sinner who received God’s grace,
       somehow, and want to share.
       #Post#: 14853--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: patrick jane Date: July 5, 2020, 2:31 pm
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       [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
       link=topic=11.msg14852#msg14852 date=1593976636]
       If I said I am a Christian, I am not saying I am a clean living
       person, I am whispering that I am not, that I was lost, but have
       been found and forgiven. If I tell you I am a Christian I am not
       speaking it with pride, I am whispering it, as I know I have to
       stumble and need Christ in my life as my guide.   I am not
       trying to be strong if I say I am a Christian, no I am admitting
       I am weak and need His strength to carry on.  If I told you I am
       a Christian I am not bragging, no I am stating I have failed,
       and I have failed many times, and need God to help me clean up
       my messes.  If I tell you I am a Christian  I am not claiming I
       perfect, My flaws are far too many and way too visible for that
       claim,  by God believes I am worth his grace.  When I say I do
       say I am a Christian  I am not saying it as holier than thou, no
       I am just a simple everyday sinner who received God’s grace,
       somehow, and want to share.
       [/quote]Wow, this is awesome Chaplain Mark !!! Thank you -
       #Post#: 14858--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Chaplain's Chat
       By: guest8 Date: July 5, 2020, 5:12 pm
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       [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=11.msg14853#msg14853
       date=1593977518]
       [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
       link=topic=11.msg14852#msg14852 date=1593976636]
       If I said I am a Christian, I am not saying I am a clean living
       person, I am whispering that I am not, that I was lost, but have
       been found and forgiven. If I tell you I am a Christian I am not
       speaking it with pride, I am whispering it, as I know I have to
       stumble and need Christ in my life as my guide.   I am not
       trying to be strong if I say I am a Christian, no I am admitting
       I am weak and need His strength to carry on.  If I told you I am
       a Christian I am not bragging, no I am stating I have failed,
       and I have failed many times, and need God to help me clean up
       my messes.  If I tell you I am a Christian  I am not claiming I
       perfect, My flaws are far too many and way too visible for that
       claim,  by God believes I am worth his grace.  When I say I do
       say I am a Christian  I am not saying it as holier than thou, no
       I am just a simple everyday sinner who received God’s grace,
       somehow, and want to share.
       [/quote]Wow, this is awesome Chaplain Mark !!! Thank you -
       [/quote]
       Mark, it may seem that I am dumping on you in my last two post.
       I assure you I am not but rather trying to present a different
       opinion and why I have that opinion.
       You are doing a great job on this forum and I hope you are here
       for a long while.
       Blade
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