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Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T. Hell”
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 12, 2018, 9:19 am
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Also, i’ve Always worked under the assumption that Hell is
forever and you suffer for all eternity with your mind working
like it does in your daily life, so the question challenged that
for me. I also hear that there is reason to look into the
possibility of annihilation of the damned and I’m intrigued if
that can sway me in that direction as making more sense. I have
researched neither in depth at all, but I feel free to consider
and give plausibility to both until I can find reason that one
is true and the other is misunderstanding. If they both have the
same amount of validity, then that is a very interesting thing
to look at as well.
#Post#: 885--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T. Hell”
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: September 12, 2018, 11:10 am
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--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
>
> Also, i’ve Always worked under the assumption that Hell is
forever and you suffer for all eternity with your mind working
like it does in your daily life, so the question challenged that
for me. I also hear that there is reason to look into the
possibility of annihilation of the damned and I’m intrigued if
that can sway me in that direction as making more sense. I have
researched neither in depth at all, but I feel free to consider
and give plausibility to both until I can find reason that one
is true and the other is misunderstanding. If they both have the
same amount of validity, then that is a very interesting thing
to look at as well.
>
--- End Quote ---
True, so true. Here's a cute little song by Phil Collins and
Genesis from my high school days. Until just a few months ago I
never knew the song was about going to hell and being in hell
forever. I loved the song before but now it has a whole new
depth to it. Listen to the words.
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"Home By The Sea"
Creeping up the blind side, shinning up the wall
stealing thru the dark of night
Climbing thru a window, stepping to the floor
checking to the left and the right
Picking up the pieces, putting them away
something doesn't feel quite right
Help me someone, let me out of here
then out of the dark was suddenly heard
welcome to the Home by the Sea
Coming out the woodwork, thru the open door
pushing from above and below
shadows but no substance, in the shape of men
round and down and sideways they go
adrift without direction, eyes that hold despair
then as one they sigh and they moan
Help us someone, let us out of here
living here so long undisturbed
dreaming of the time we were free
so many years ago
before the time when we first heard
welcome to the Home by the Sea
Sit down Sit down
as we relive our lives in what we tell you
Images of sorrow, pictures of delight
things that go to make up a life
endless days of summer longer nights of gloom
waiting for the morning light
scenes of unimportance, photos in a frame
things that go to make up a life
Help us someone, let us out of here
cos living here so long undisturbed
dreaming of the time we were free
so many years ago
before the time when we first heard
welcome to the Home by the Sea
Sit down Sit down
as we relive out lives in what we tell you
let us relive out lives in what we tell you
Sit down Sit down
cos you won't get away
no with us you will stay
for the rest of your days - Sit down
As we relive our lives in what we tell you
Let us relive our lives in what we tell you
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#Post#: 886--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T. Hell”
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: September 12, 2018, 11:18 am
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Where in the Old Testament does it talk about Hell and it being
eternal?
Just for reference, Jon
40 minutes
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#Post#: 888--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T. Hell”
DIR By: guest17
Date: September 12, 2018, 11:48 am
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--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
>
> [quote author=joechan82 link=topic=104.msg876#msg876
date=1536701239]
> Jon, you are a lot deeper than I am. I think it is a good
topic.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks Joe, my wife pointed out to me that a lot of the reason
that I like discussing things like this and the level of comfort
and freedom I have with it is because I was never really
indoctrinated into a specific mindset. That and i’m Just weird
lol. I don’t think that I’m deeper than anyone, I just look at
things a different way than many I guess.
[/quote]
Have you heard about what many Christian churches are doing on
Halloween? They are having what they call "Hell Night" right
inside the church. Their purpose which they have admitted to is
to traumatize and instill fear into people to get saved. They
turned the church into a gruesome display of death, evil and the
torments of hell.
A few years ago, my daughter was invited by a friend to go to
his church that was having what they call "Hell Night" on
Halloween. My daughter asked me if I wanted to go and my answer
was immediate and quick, absolutely not. But my granddaughter
agreed to go with my daughter. I had no say so on the matter. I
couldn't stop my daughter and granddaughter from going to that
church's "Hell Night".
They came back and were telling me about what had happened there
which I already had a good idea that it was going to be that way
and that's the reason I didn't want to go. The main reason that
I didn't want to go is because I know that Halloween is probably
the highest satanic day in the year. And it certainly has no
place in a Christian church.
My granddaughter was a young teenager at the time and she was
telling me how these very young children were so traumatized by
what they were seeing and experiencing that they were crying and
very frightened. I imagine that those children had nightmares
about that for awhile
This had a very negative effect on my granddaughter and has
given her the wrong impression of what a Christian church is,
what a Christian is, what Christianity is, and above all, what
God is like and who He really is. To this day, she wants nothing
to do with Christianity.
.
#Post#: 889--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T. Hell”
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 12, 2018, 1:21 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Where in the Old Testament does it talk about Hell and it
being eternal?
>
>
> Just for reference, Jon
>
>
> 40 minutes
>
>
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Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter
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>
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Ok, cool PJ thanks! i’ll Look into it and see where the
annihilationists get their ideas from and give em the good ole
A-B comparison as best I can lol
#Post#: 890--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T. Hell”
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 12, 2018, 1:34 pm
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--- Quote from: truthjourney link ---
>
> [quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=104.msg881#msg881
date=1536761356]
> [quote author=joechan82 link=topic=104.msg876#msg876
date=1536701239]
> Jon, you are a lot deeper than I am. I think it is a good
topic.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks Joe, my wife pointed out to me that a lot of the reason
that I like discussing things like this and the level of comfort
and freedom I have with it is because I was never really
indoctrinated into a specific mindset. That and i’m Just weird
lol. I don’t think that I’m deeper than anyone, I just look at
things a different way than many I guess.
[/quote]
Have you heard about what many Christian churches are doing on
Halloween? They are having what they call "Hell Night" right
inside the church. Their purpose which they have admitted to is
to traumatize and instill fear into people to get saved. They
turned the church into a gruesome display of death, evil and the
torments of hell.
A few years ago, my daughter was invited by a friend to go to
his church that was having what they call "Hell Night" on
Halloween. My daughter asked me if I wanted to go and my answer
was immediate and quick, absolutely not. But my granddaughter
agreed to go with my daughter. I had no say so on the matter. I
couldn't stop my daughter and granddaughter from going to that
church's "Hell Night".
They came back and were telling me about what had happened there
which I already had a good idea that it was going to be that way
and that's the reason I didn't want to go. The main reason that
I didn't want to go is because I know that Halloween is probably
the highest satanic day in the year. And it certainly has no
place in a Christian church.
My granddaughter was a young teenager at the time and she was
telling me how these very young children were so traumatized by
what they were seeing and experiencing that they were crying and
very frightened. I imagine that those children had nightmares
about that for awhile
This had a very negative effect on my granddaughter and has
given her the wrong impression of what a Christian church is,
what a Christian is, what Christianity is, and above all, what
God is like and who He really is. To this day, she wants nothing
to do with Christianity.
.
[/quote]
Sorry TJ, I tried to hit the “Like” button and hit dislike
instead, and I don’t know how to undo it. I think that i’ve
Heard of “hell night” like that before but have never known of
it being done around here. The idea may very well have been
intended positively but I don’t see it actually doing much good.
I can understand how it could have negative effect on
Christianity more frequently than doing any harm. Scaring people
to Jesus just seems really insensitive and backwards to me. I
can understand that there is consequences that God has outlined
for the disobedient, but threatening them with Hell and Dangling
reward are actually detrimental to why Christians become
Christians. We want people to genuinely love God, not just Go to
heaven or be afraid of death. That’s my opinion anyway, a
Christian can be a Christian for the wrong reasons and some
could Be in for a nasty surprise in the future with some of the
thinking that is being perpetrated. Good intent can still
backfire if it reinforces the wrong line of thinking. There’s a
balance and it can become off kilter very easily.
#Post#: 892--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T. Hell”
DIR By: guest17
Date: September 13, 2018, 9:17 am
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--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
>
> [quote author=truthjourney link=topic=104.msg888#msg888
date=1536770918]
> [quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=104.msg881#msg881
date=1536761356]
> [quote author=joechan82 link=topic=104.msg876#msg876
date=1536701239]
> Jon, you are a lot deeper than I am. I think it is a good
topic.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks Joe, my wife pointed out to me that a lot of the reason
that I like discussing things like this and the level of comfort
and freedom I have with it is because I was never really
indoctrinated into a specific mindset. That and i’m Just weird
lol. I don’t think that I’m deeper than anyone, I just look at
things a different way than many I guess.
[/quote]
Have you heard about what many Christian churches are doing on
Halloween? They are having what they call "Hell Night" right
inside the church. Their purpose which they have admitted to is
to traumatize and instill fear into people to get saved. They
turned the church into a gruesome display of death, evil and the
torments of hell.
A few years ago, my daughter was invited by a friend to go to
his church that was having what they call "Hell Night" on
Halloween. My daughter asked me if I wanted to go and my answer
was immediate and quick, absolutely not. But my granddaughter
agreed to go with my daughter. I had no say so on the matter. I
couldn't stop my daughter and granddaughter from going to that
church's "Hell Night".
They came back and were telling me about what had happened there
which I already had a good idea that it was going to be that way
and that's the reason I didn't want to go. The main reason that
I didn't want to go is because I know that Halloween is probably
the highest satanic day in the year. And it certainly has no
place in a Christian church.
My granddaughter was a young teenager at the time and she was
telling me how these very young children were so traumatized by
what they were seeing and experiencing that they were crying and
very frightened. I imagine that those children had nightmares
about that for awhile
This had a very negative effect on my granddaughter and has
given her the wrong impression of what a Christian church is,
what a Christian is, what Christianity is, and above all, what
God is like and who He really is. To this day, she wants nothing
to do with Christianity.
.
[/quote]
Sorry TJ, I tried to hit the “Like” button and hit dislike
instead, and I don’t know how to undo it.[/Quote]
That's okay. Don't worry about it.
[Quote]I think that i’ve Heard of “hell night” like that before
but have never known of it being done around here. The idea may
very well have been intended positively but I don’t see it
actually doing much good.[/Quote]
I see it doing more harm than good. I can't imagine any good
coming from something like that.
[Quote]I can understand how it could have negative effect on
Christianity more frequently than doing any harm. Scaring people
to Jesus just seems really insensitive and backwards to me. I
can understand that there is consequences that God has outlined
for the disobedient, but threatening them with Hell and Dangling
reward are actually detrimental to why Christians become
Christians. We want people to genuinely love God, not just Go to
heaven or be afraid of death. That’s my opinion anyway, a
Christian can be a Christian for the wrong reasons and some
could Be in for a nasty surprise in the future with some of the
thinking that is being perpetrated. Good intent can still
backfire if it reinforces the wrong line of thinking. There’s a
balance and it can become off kilter very easily.
[/quote]
I think I read somewhere it was started by Jerry Falwell. I
wouldn't want to be in the shoes of people who use fear tactics
like this on judgement day or in the shoes of religious leaders
who have led people astray and abused the members of their
churches.
#Post#: 939--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T.
Hell”
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: September 15, 2018, 7:47 am
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[font=georgia][size=12pt][color=blue]Thing is, nobody really
sees the inner man, but God does.
We see the outer person, I mean if you were to sit opposite Kim
Yun Un on the train, would you think he was such a bad fellow?
What must the inner man look like, take a child raper or
murderer, I scarcely can take those things on board, what does
the inner man look like?
I don't think the Lord was just hurling epithets when He called
His opponents vipers. In fact [in my own sweet way] I believe
vipers are created for just the purpose to warn mankind of how
the devil operates, what he is like.
Can you love a viper? you can love a dove. A sheeps you can
love, but not a goat, how different wheat is from weeds.
How sated in evil some people are, it's frightening. But God
sees it, He calls it.
I don't know all that is going to happen, there is outer
darkness as well as the lake of fire, who knows?
Above all I believe in a wider mercy, there will be a new earth
as well as a new heavens, the meek will inherit the earth.
#Post#: 1095--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T. Hell”
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: September 22, 2018, 4:53 pm
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--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
>
> So i’m Curious of the level of Conciousness Involved within an
Eternal Conscious Torment description of Hell. I see a potential
problem and I don’t know if it’s been pointed out elsewhere.
>
> With full access to your consciousness, you would have access
to thoughts that could be relieving of the torment if you
weren’t so focused on being selfish and worrying about your own
hellish torment. So, can those who know how to be selfless truly
be tormented for all eternity? If they aren’t subject to that
torment, does that make them believers even if they have no idea
of Jesus? I don’t think it takes knowing Jesus to know how to
not be a selfish jerk, but i’m Sure it’s a pretty common way. So
I see a hole in the logic there for fully conscious eternal
torment.
>
> On the other hand, if Access is taken away from that
potentially soothing information, is that person fully
themselves and subject to the same punishment as they would have
been before they were altered for the torment?
>
--- End Quote ---
If I get what you're saying, having the ability to think in hell
while being fully conscience would make it possible to overcome
the torment to a degree? I have had the same type thoughts
thinking of course if I go to hell. I thought I guess over that
much time of being fully aware in hell I would learn to live
with it. I would adapt and accept my fate. More to come on this
but I have to run.
#Post#: 1102--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T. Hell”
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 22, 2018, 7:46 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> If I get what you're saying, having the ability to think in
hell while being fully conscience would make it possible to
overcome the torment to a degree? I have had the same type
thoughts thinking of course if I go to hell. I thought I guess
over that much time of being fully aware in hell I would learn
to live with it. I would adapt and accept my fate. More to come
on this but I have to run.
>
--- End Quote ---
Actually, thinking like that is right on topic P.J.! What keeps
the suffering fresh and eternally tormenting if we are conscious
to the capacity that we are in our daily lives, especially if we
are not just caught up in our own misery? I don’t believe the
lake of fire can work like most people imagine it, there just
seems to be too many “loopholes in the logic”. I’m not saying
that Torment in the lake of fire isn’t someone’s fate, but that
it does not logically work in the way we typically think that it
would. Something has to be changed in how we perceive it to be a
truly viable eternal punishment.
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