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       Re: Q Anon
   DIR By: patrick jane
       Date: September 27, 2020, 7:47 pm
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       > Few articles I’ve written have provoked the response as
       touching conspiracy theories in 2020. It is an odd mixture of
       those consumed by fury or derision at my apparent blindness and
       those derisive of my supposed attempt to generate clickbait.
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       > This is part of the problem I tried to address in my latest
       article at USAToday on the growing influence of the conspiracy
       theory known as QAnon in evangelical churches.
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       > In the article, I concluded that “we need pastors, leaders,
       and everyday Christians to address this conspiracy, and others
       like it, before others are fooled.” With this in mind, I wanted
       to address some pushback and offer some steps leaders can take.
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       > The Problem of the Media
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       > By far the most common criticism I get whenever I write about
       conspiracy theories is that Christians should be suspicious of
       mainstream media. Many have argued that they are often biased
       against Christians and conservatives, at times presenting
       distorted reporting.
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       > I think this is fair criticism—to a point.
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       > As I’ve argued many times, the state of reporting on
       religion—and particularly reporting on evangelicalism—is poor.
       Major outlets get obvious facts wrong that betray not only
       ignorance but laziness in not checking.
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       > I also explained to Terry Mattingly that poor treatment from
       the mainstream media is, at least in part, to blame for why
       Christians don’t trust them—they have reasons not to.
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       > It’s not hard to ask a pastor or seminary professor for help,
       but this is sometimes deemed not important. In the history of
       journalism, I’d wager that few terms have been as wrongly used
       as Calvinism. Yet the lesson is never learned.
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       > More distressingly, some outlets seemingly take joy in
       magnifying outlier behavior as examples of evangelicals while
       ignoring the majority. This was evident in March, when despite
       the tens of thousands of churches that led the way on closing
       fast and focusing on serving their communities, media outlets
       focused on the few cases of attention seeking pastors. Or, more
       recently, with the misleading (and since changed) New York Times
       headline about churches being a major source of outbreaks.
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       > In talking with other church leaders, it is beyond frustrating
       to serve faithfully only to see the loudest fringe voices
       receive the spotlight, or to see your community misrepresented.
       This wears on Christians and cultivates distrust of the media.
       After all, if they’re getting us wrong, what else are they
       misrepresenting?
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       > Over time, this has eroded trust and obscured the work of
       quality religion journalists at just the time we need them most.
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       > Going Too Far
       > Despite these failings, Christians go too far when they
       dismiss all mainstream journalism.
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       > This is why in USAToday, I was critical of the 46% of
       self-identified evangelicals and 52% of evangelicals by belief
       who "strongly believe the mainstream media produces fake news."
       While it can be tempting for evangelicals to use bias to dismiss
       criticism, “the fact that news agencies have biases is not
       synonymous with producing fake news.”
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       > This mistake has only served to isolate us from criticism,
       whereby we invalidate any news article we find unfavorable.
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       > In reality, there are good journalists in the mainstream
       media, particularly religion journalists, who strive to
       understand and report on evangelicalism in all fairness. I might
       not always agree with them, but I respect their integrity and
       desire to report honestly.
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       > Instead, our goal should be a maturity to engage reporting
       with a critical eye rather than to shout bias upon seeing a
       logo.
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       > We need to develop a track record of accepting hard truths
       that are well supported rather than if they support our
       political or cultural narrative. Most importantly, we need to
       resist our temptations to echo chambers—a temptation that is
       common to many other subcultures across the globe.
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       > Stepping into our Technology Discipleship Gap
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       > I voiced my frustration in Christians in the Age of Outrage
       that for how important online technology is to our world,
       pastors rarely engaged the topic. As a result, our dependence on
       technology far outpaces its prominence in our discipleship
       practices. Conspiracy theories like QAnon gaining traction in
       our churches is merely one more rotten fruit of thisgap in our
       discipleship.
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       > In my USAToday piece, I attempted to step into this gap by
       challenging Christians to “address the QAnon’ers in our midst.”
       Many dismissed the problem as fearmongering while others
       believed I’d slandered QAnon.
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       > But most Christians are looking for help and frustrated at the
       silence from their leaders. They’ve struggled with family
       members, friends, and even church staff or volunteers promoting
       conspiracies. Unsure how to respond, often it goes unchallenged
       and relationships slowly dissolve.
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       > Pastors and church leaders need to see this as the
       discipleship failure it is. Our silence, casual dismissal, or
       even tacit approval of destructive online behavior is corrosive
       to the spiritual health of our churches.
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       > So as pastors look to engage, let me offer three initial steps
       we can take to address the technology habits and relationships
       of our people.
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       > 1) Challenge the church to make Christ Lord of their social
       media.
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       > Undoubtedly many in your congregation, organization, and
       family believe this is already true for them. In fact, they have
       proof!
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       > Their social media profile says Christian and is accompanied
       by a bible verse. But in reality, the ways we describe ourselves
       on social media often say far less about our identity than the
       ways we interact and the people, ideas, and causes we choose to
       amplify.
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       > Social media profiles can be misleading and even destructive
       if the heart behind them is not submitted to Christ.
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       > 2) Encourage the church to ask God for wisdom.
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       > Never in my lifetime has the need for wisdom been as pressing
       as it is today. The confusion of the pandemic, the caustic
       spirit of our politics, and the unresolved pain of our racial
       history are only a few of the pressing demands we face.
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       > With so much confusion, church leaders need to ask our people
       where they are looking for answers. I believe that any
       explanation for rise of conspiracy theories and politicization
       in the church should begin with these responses. When faced with
       uncertainty, many Christians have developed concerning habits of
       turning to cable news or even social media platforms like
       Facebook or Reddit when trying to make sense of the world.
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       > Into these temptations, Pastors need remind us of the words of
       James: “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives
       generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.”
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       > While truth is we all lack wisdom, the question remains: where
       are we turning? If you want to address the conspiracy theories
       in your church, recognize how their posts reflect a struggle for
       where to find wisdom and a corresponding set of habits that need
       to be rooted out.
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       > 3) Caution the church to hit pause.
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       > One important lesson I’ve learned in watching Christians on
       social media is how the platform causes us to diminish the
       importance of being “quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to
       anger” (1:19).
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       > It is stunning how Christians can just dismiss this warning
       from James as insignificant.
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       > Encountering something they find offensive or wrong, many
       Christians are quick to jump into the fray. In reality, the
       majority of these instantaneous criticisms are a fraction as
       clever as we believe and exponentially more cruel, ignorant,
       and/or prideful. This is why James cautions us to be slow and to
       listen. A day, a week, a month; the length matters less than
       genuinely reflecting on why and how you are engaging.
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       > It’s a good lesson to never send an angry email. Save it in
       your drafts and pray on it for at least 24 hours. My inbox is
       still filled with dozens of saved emails I wrote in anger but
       decided not to send.
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       > In some cases, God resolved the situation. In others, He gave
       me peace despite a lack of resolution. In every instance, I
       realized that the email would only satisfy my rage.
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       > Pastors should encourage a similar practice. When tempted to
       engage online in anger, hit pause. This is entirely inconsistent
       with the spirit of social media but entirely aligned with the
       Spirit of God.
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       > In all three of these steps, the central need of the church is
       for its leaders for wisdom on how to live in our digital world.
       These are the pressing questions of our time and if the pulpit
       is silent they will go elsewhere.
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       > The challenge for pastors is when will we begin to speak up.
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       > Ed Stetzer is executive director of the Wheaton College Billy
       Graham Center, serves as a dean at Wheaton College, and
       publishes church leadership resources through Mission Group. The
       Exchange Team contributed to this article.
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       > Andrew MacDonald is associate director of the Wheaton College
       Billy Graham Center Institute. He’s written here on conspiracy
       theories.
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       Re: Q Anon
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       Date: December 4, 2020, 1:37 pm
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       Re: Q Anon
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       Date: December 6, 2020, 9:42 pm
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       Re: Q Anon
   DIR By: patrick jane
       Date: February 13, 2021, 8:52 am
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       QAnon Conspiracies Sway Faith Groups, Including 1 in 4 White
       Evangelicals
       Survey examines belief in election fraud, the Deep State, and
       other theories on American politics.
       A new survey reports more than a quarter of white evangelical
       Protestants believe a QAnon conspiracy theory that purports
       former President Donald Trump is secretly battling a cabal of
       pedophile Democrats, and roughly half express support for the
       debunked claim that antifa was responsible for the recent
       insurrection at the US Capitol.
       Experts say the data point to a widening ideological divide not
       only between white evangelicals and other religious groups in
       the country, but also between white evangelical Republicans and
       other members of their own party.
       The survey, which was conducted in late January by the
       conservative American Enterprise Institute, reported 29 percent
       of Republicans and 27 percent of white evangelicals—the most of
       any religious group—believe the widely debunked QAnon conspiracy
       theory is completely or mostly accurate.
       QAnon has infiltrated other faiths as well, with 15 percent of
       white mainline Protestants, 18 percent of white Catholics, 12
       percent of non-Christians, 11 percent of Hispanic Catholics and
       7 percent of black Protestants saying they believe it.
       In addition, large subsets of each group—ranging from 37 percent
       of non-Christians to 50 percent of Hispanic Catholics—said they
       “weren’t sure” whether the theory was true.
       According to Daniel Cox, director of AEI’s Survey Center on
       American Life, the report suggests conspiracy theories enjoy a
       surprising amount of support in general, but white evangelicals
       appear to be particularly primed to embrace them.
       “There’s this really dramatic fissure,” he said.
       There was also significant support among white evangelicals for
       the claim that members of antifa, or anti-fascist activists,
       were “mostly responsible” for the attack on the US Capitol—a
       discredited claim repeated by former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani
       and Franklin Graham. FBI officials have said there is “no
       indication” antifa played a role in the insurrection.
       Even so, the story has had staying power in the minds of many
       Americans, including 49 percent of white evangelical Protestants
       who said the antifa claim was completely or mostly true. So did
       36 percent of white Catholics, 35 percent of Hispanic Catholics,
       33 percent of white mainline Protestants, 25 percent of Black
       Protestants and 19 percent of non-Christians.
       Among the religiously unaffiliated, 22 percent also expressed
       belief in the theory.
       Asked to explain why white evangelicals appear
       disproportionately likely to embrace conspiracy theories, Cox
       noted that, as a group, they do not fit a stereotype of
       conspiracy theorists as people disconnected from social
       interaction. Instead, most retain strong connections to various
       social groups.
       But white evangelicals stand out in a different way: The vast
       majority say some or a lot of their family members (81%) or
       friends (82%) voted for Trump in the 2020 election—more than any
       other religious group.
       “People who do strongly believe in these things are not more
       disconnected—they are more politically segregated,” Cox said.
       The resulting social echo chamber, he argued, allows conspiracy
       theories to spread unchecked.
       “That kind of environment is really important when it comes to
       embracing this kind of thinking,” he said. “You’re seeing people
       embrace this sort of conspiratorial thinking, and everyone in
       their social circle is like, ‘Yeah, that sounds right to me,’
       versus someone saying, ‘You know, we should look at this
       credulously.’”
       White evangelicals express robust support for other conspiracy
       theories as well. Close to two-thirds (62%) believe there was
       widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election—despite numerous
       experts and courts at all levels refuting such claims—and
       roughly the same percentage (63%) believe President Joe Biden’s
       victory was “not legitimate.”
       A majority (55%) also said they believed it was mostly or
       completely accurate to say “a group of unelected government
       officials in Washington, D.C., referred to as the ‘Deep State’
       (has) been working to undermine the Trump administration.”
       Cox said forthcoming data will highlight the ideological
       distinctiveness of white evangelicals even among people who
       identify as Republicans or who lean toward the party, signaling
       an “increasingly important divide in the GOP among people who
       identify as evangelical Christian and those who do not.”
       “If you’re a Republican but identify as an evangelical
       Christian, you’re far more likely to believe in voter fraud in
       2020 election,” he said. “You’re far more likely to believe that
       Biden’s win was not legitimate. You’re more likely to believe in
       the QAnon conspiracy. You’re more likely to believe in the ‘Deep
       State.’”
       White evangelicals also stood apart from other religious groups
       when asked about the potential for violent action: 41 percent
       completely or somewhat agreed with the statement “if elected
       leaders will not protect America, the people must do it
       themselves even if it requires taking violent actions.”
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