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Re: Q Anon
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Re: Q Anon
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Re: Q Anon
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Re: Q Anon
By: patrick jane Date: June 20, 2020, 9:54 pm
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CITIZEN MAN SPECIAL GUEST TONIGHT
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Re: Q Anon
By: patrick jane Date: August 9, 2020, 8:56 am
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Re: Q Anon
By: patrick jane Date: August 27, 2020, 9:09 pm
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QAnon Is a Wolf in Wolf’s Clothing
There's nothing sheepish about this insidious internet demon.
He doesn’t know much about the QAnon conspiracy theory,
President Trump told a reporter this month. But “I understand
they like me very much, which I appreciate,” he added. “I have
heard that it is gaining in popularity, and from what I hear,
these are people … that love our country.”
The reporter asked a follow-up: “At the crux of this theory is
this belief that you are secretly saving the world from this
cult of pedophiles and cannibals. Does that sound like … ” She
trailed off, apparently at a loss as to where to go from there.
“Like something you are behind?”
“Well, I haven’t heard that,” Trump answered, “but is that
supposed to be a bad thing?”
This isn’t the first time Trump has interacted with QAnon. He
has shared posts from QAnon Twitter accounts, and he greeted the
primary victory of a pro-QAnon House candidate with enthusiasm.
However, this explicit endorsement of the theory’s believers, if
not quite the theory itself, is new territory for Trump. It will
bring QAnon further into the political mainstream and make this
cultic movement a greater threat to the American church.
If you’re among the majority of Americans unfamiliar with QAnon,
a pause for definition may be in order. QAnon is a conspiracy
theory that claims that a secret cabal in government, the media,
and other influential institutions is engaged in child sex
trafficking, cannibalism of a sort, and the usual conspiracist
bugbear of world domination and human sacrifice. One sub-theory
in the movement alleges that there’s footage of Hillary Clinton
and her aide “ripping off a child’s face and wearing it as a
mask before drinking the child’s blood in a Satanic ritual
sacrifice.”
The QAnon movement began when an anonymous poster called Q took
to the 4chan online forum—ironically, better known for its
implication in child pornography and other foul dregs of the
Internet—to predict Clinton would be arrested and massive riots
would break out nationwide on October 30, 2017.
That day came and went, and nothing Q forecast came to pass. But
here’s the genius of QAnon: For those already convinced, it’s
unfalsifiable. According to Travis View, who researches
conspiracy theories, “Q will say something very vague, like,
‘Watch the water,’ [and] because water covers most of the planet
… there’s going to be a news event eventually that involves
Trump and water. And so the QAnon community will look at that
and will say, ‘Look, Trump drank a glass of water on camera. Q
said, “Watch the water.” That means that Q predicted that
event’—which, of course, is nonsense.”
When Q prophecies (or “drops,” as they’re called) don’t pan out,
as with the initial Clinton arrest story, adherents simply
conclude the cabal interfered.
The cabal is QAnon’s version of the Fall—its explanation for
what’s wrong with our world. Q is the movement’s John the
Baptist. Drops are its Scripture. And Trump is its messiah,
ostensibly working at great personal cost to defeat the cabal
and usher in a new age of American greatness.
That religious language isn’t only metaphorical. Among QAnon’s
most troubling aspects are its use of the language and style of
evangelical Christianity, its misuse of the Bible to disguise
its deception, and its increasing function as a syncretic cult
of semi-Christian heresy.
A pro-Q politician in Oregon described her involvement by
sharing that some “people think that I follow Q like I follow
Jesus,” a blasphemous characterization she left unchallenged.
That’s unsurprising, for QAnon fashions itself as a “Christian”
movement. Q drops often quote Scripture—as even the devil does
(see Matt. 4:10)—a tactic that adherents have said helped
convince them the theory was worth their time.
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Re: Q Anon
By: patrick jane Date: August 29, 2020, 10:54 am
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I've never really believed too much of what this Q says.
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Re: Q Anon
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Think it will all go away after the election.
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Re: Q Anon
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QAnon, Conspiracies, and Discipling the Way Out
Reflections on my recent article for USAToday
Few articles I’ve written have provoked the response as touching
conspiracy theories in 2020. It is an odd mixture of those
consumed by fury or derision at my apparent blindness and those
derisive of my supposed attempt to generate clickbait.
This is part of the problem I tried to address in my latest
article at USAToday on the growing influence of the conspiracy
theory known as QAnon in evangelical churches.
In the article, I concluded that “we need pastors, leaders, and
everyday Christians to address this conspiracy, and others like
it, before others are fooled.” With this in mind, I wanted to
address some pushback and offer some steps leaders can take.
The Problem of the Media
By far the most common criticism I get whenever I write about
conspiracy theories is that Christians should be suspicious of
mainstream media. Many have argued that they are often biased
against Christians and conservatives, at times presenting
distorted reporting.
I think this is fair criticism—to a point.
As I’ve argued many times, the state of reporting on
religion—and particularly reporting on evangelicalism—is poor.
Major outlets get obvious facts wrong that betray not only
ignorance but laziness in not checking.
I also explained to Terry Mattingly that poor treatment from the
mainstream media is, at least in part, to blame for why
Christians don’t trust them—they have reasons not to.
It’s not hard to ask a pastor or seminary professor for help,
but this is sometimes deemed not important. In the history of
journalism, I’d wager that few terms have been as wrongly used
as Calvinism. Yet the lesson is never learned.
More distressingly, some outlets seemingly take joy in
magnifying outlier behavior as examples of evangelicals while
ignoring the majority. This was evident in March, when despite
the tens of thousands of churches that led the way on closing
fast and focusing on serving their communities, media outlets
focused on the few cases of attention seeking pastors. Or, more
recently, with the misleading (and since changed) New York Times
headline about churches being a major source of outbreaks.
In talking with other church leaders, it is beyond frustrating
to serve faithfully only to see the loudest fringe voices
receive the spotlight, or to see your community misrepresented.
This wears on Christians and cultivates distrust of the media.
After all, if they’re getting us wrong, what else are they
misrepresenting?
Over time, this has eroded trust and obscured the work of
quality religion journalists at just the time we need them most.
Going Too Far
Despite these failings, Christians go too far when they dismiss
all mainstream journalism.
This is why in USAToday, I was critical of the 46% of
self-identified evangelicals and 52% of evangelicals by belief
who "strongly believe the mainstream media produces fake news."
While it can be tempting for evangelicals to use bias to dismiss
criticism, “the fact that news agencies have biases is not
synonymous with producing fake news.”
This mistake has only served to isolate us from criticism,
whereby we invalidate any news article we find unfavorable.
In reality, there are good journalists in the mainstream media,
particularly religion journalists, who strive to understand and
report on evangelicalism in all fairness. I might not always
agree with them, but I respect their integrity and desire to
report honestly.
Instead, our goal should be a maturity to engage reporting with
a critical eye rather than to shout bias upon seeing a logo.
We need to develop a track record of accepting hard truths that
are well supported rather than if they support our political or
cultural narrative. Most importantly, we need to resist our
temptations to echo chambers—a temptation that is common to many
other subcultures across the globe.
Stepping into our Technology Discipleship Gap
I voiced my frustration in Christians in the Age of Outrage that
for how important online technology is to our world, pastors
rarely engaged the topic. As a result, our dependence on
technology far outpaces its prominence in our discipleship
practices. Conspiracy theories like QAnon gaining traction in
our churches is merely one more rotten fruit of thisgap in our
discipleship.
In my USAToday piece, I attempted to step into this gap by
challenging Christians to “address the QAnon’ers in our midst.”
Many dismissed the problem as fearmongering while others
believed I’d slandered QAnon.
But most Christians are looking for help and frustrated at the
silence from their leaders. They’ve struggled with family
members, friends, and even church staff or volunteers promoting
conspiracies. Unsure how to respond, often it goes unchallenged
and relationships slowly dissolve.
Pastors and church leaders need to see this as the discipleship
failure it is. Our silence, casual dismissal, or even tacit
approval of destructive online behavior is corrosive to the
spiritual health of our churches.
So as pastors look to engage, let me offer three initial steps
we can take to address the technology habits and relationships
of our people.
1) Challenge the church to make Christ Lord of their social
media.
Undoubtedly many in your congregation, organization, and family
believe this is already true for them. In fact, they have proof!
Their social media profile says Christian and is accompanied by
a bible verse. But in reality, the ways we describe ourselves on
social media often say far less about our identity than the ways
we interact and the people, ideas, and causes we choose to
amplify.
Social media profiles can be misleading and even destructive if
the heart behind them is not submitted to Christ.
2) Encourage the church to ask God for wisdom.
Never in my lifetime has the need for wisdom been as pressing as
it is today. The confusion of the pandemic, the caustic spirit
of our politics, and the unresolved pain of our racial history
are only a few of the pressing demands we face.
With so much confusion, church leaders need to ask our people
where they are looking for answers. I believe that any
explanation for rise of conspiracy theories and politicization
in the church should begin with these responses. When faced with
uncertainty, many Christians have developed concerning habits of
turning to cable news or even social media platforms like
Facebook or Reddit when trying to make sense of the world.
Into these temptations, Pastors need remind us of the words of
James: “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives
generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.”
While truth is we all lack wisdom, the question remains: where
are we turning? If you want to address the conspiracy theories
in your church, recognize how their posts reflect a struggle for
where to find wisdom and a corresponding set of habits that need
to be rooted out.
3) Caution the church to hit pause.
One important lesson I’ve learned in watching Christians on
social media is how the platform causes us to diminish the
importance of being “quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to
anger” (1:19).
It is stunning how Christians can just dismiss this warning from
James as insignificant.
Encountering something they find offensive or wrong, many
Christians are quick to jump into the fray. In reality, the
majority of these instantaneous criticisms are a fraction as
clever as we believe and exponentially more cruel, ignorant,
and/or prideful. This is why James cautions us to be slow and to
listen. A day, a week, a month; the length matters less than
genuinely reflecting on why and how you are engaging.
It’s a good lesson to never send an angry email. Save it in your
drafts and pray on it for at least 24 hours. My inbox is still
filled with dozens of saved emails I wrote in anger but decided
not to send.
In some cases, God resolved the situation. In others, He gave me
peace despite a lack of resolution. In every instance, I
realized that the email would only satisfy my rage.
Pastors should encourage a similar practice. When tempted to
engage online in anger, hit pause. This is entirely inconsistent
with the spirit of social media but entirely aligned with the
Spirit of God.
In all three of these steps, the central need of the church is
for its leaders for wisdom on how to live in our digital world.
These are the pressing questions of our time and if the pulpit
is silent they will go elsewhere.
The challenge for pastors is when will we begin to speak up.
Ed Stetzer is executive director of the Wheaton College Billy
Graham Center, serves as a dean at Wheaton College, and
publishes church leadership resources through Mission Group. The
Exchange Team contributed to this article.
Andrew MacDonald is associate director of the Wheaton College
Billy Graham Center Institute. He’s written here on conspiracy
theories.
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