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09:20:31 <Mat2> hello 
09:43:37 <Mat2> found a misbehaviour in Linux: Acces right-setting per mprotect can be ignored if memory is allocated per malloc! I need to use the non-standard valloc function to ensure this
09:43:43 <Mat2> ^Access
10:39:13 <Mat2> problems solved and a test routine compiles and run without errors !
10:41:07 * Mat2 now thinking of the best way for passing values from retro's stack to compiled routines and back
11:47:09 <Mat2> I think about the following convention: Up to first tree stack-elements are preinitialized before execution. The compiled routine return TOS
11:49:22 <Mat2> this allows monadic, dyadic and triadic functions
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12:22:10 <tangentstorm> "up to first tree" ?
12:22:30 <Mat2> hi tangentstorm
12:23:06 <Mat2> I mean either the first, first adn second or first, second and third stack-value
12:23:14 <Mat2> ^and
12:27:58 <tangentstorm> oh. tree->three :) got it. :)
12:32:58 <tangentstorm> $ffff0000 $FFFF0000 seem to produce different values
12:34:21 <tangentstorm> <2> 572456960 -65536
12:34:48 <tangentstorm> (in retro)
12:35:25 <tangentstorm> hrm
12:35:37 <tangentstorm> $f -> 47  $F -> 15
12:36:17 <tangentstorm> fair enough. i will use caps :)
12:36:59 <Mat2> ups, was a typo
12:37:26 <Mat2> ok, that's a bug
12:37:59 <tangentstorm> i think $ just subtracts a fixed amount or something 
12:38:08 <tangentstorm> $z -> 67
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12:44:03 <Mat2> yeah, a common method for converting ASCII values to there binary representation
12:44:33 <Mat2> (it only works with upper-case letters)
12:54:47 <crc> Tangent: I'll fix the behavior of $ prefix with lowercase
12:54:59 <Mat2> hi crc
12:56:30 <tangentstorm> crc: ah, cool. :)
12:57:17 <tangentstorm> i had an overflow issue when importing subcell.rx and just happened to notice it (there was a bug in the pascal vm)
13:03:35 <Mat2> ok, now all needed is code for a new device
13:19:19 <tangentstorm> any new device, Mat2?
13:20:56 <Mat2> yes, as interface for the compiler
13:22:46 <tangentstorm> remind me where the docs i'm supposed to be editing are, Mat2 ?
13:23:02 <tangentstorm> i'll do it right now before i forget again
13:26:14 <tangentstorm> nm.. i was pulling from my copy of the vanar repo instead of yours
13:26:36 <Mat2> you will find the text in doc
13:26:47 <Mat2> not much (but working on it)
13:28:32 <tangentstorm> is it vanir or vanar?
13:28:37 <Mat2> vanar
13:29:38 <tangentstorm> not sure what to do with the poem :) i will leave that untouched
13:30:22 <Mat2> let it in
13:31:51 <Mat2> (it's the first poem of the Tao Te King)
13:38:26 <tangentstorm> huh.. so it is. there are a couple translations. interesting to see the resemblence but completely different interpretations
13:38:29 <tangentstorm> http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/taote.htm
13:38:37 <tangentstorm> http://www.taoism.net/ttc/complete.htm <- i like this one
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13:39:23 <tangentstorm> http://mars.superlink.net/~fsu/tao2.html
13:40:00 <tangentstorm> i guess translation is an art form :)
13:41:20 <Mat2> the chinese text is not really translatable
13:43:35 <tangentstorm> the tao that can be translated is not the tao :)
13:44:21 <Mat2> *g*
14:00:42 <tangentstorm> NAVM or AVM?
14:03:47 <Mat2> navm
14:14:06 <Mat2> I'm sleeping away, see you tomorrow
14:14:13 <Mat2> ciao all
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15:04:48 <tangentstorm> okay, Mat2, since I know you read the logs:  https://raw.github.com/tangentstorm/vanar/master/doc/Documentation.asd 
15:04:54 <tangentstorm> hope that helps.
15:31:03 <erider> hi all 
15:33:48 <tangentstorm> hi erider 
15:35:37 <erider> hi tangentstorm how are you doing 
15:39:35 <erider> Mat2 why did you decide to do a AOT instead of a JIT? 
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18:30:27 <tangentstorm> finally playable :) http://games.tangentcode.com/mineswpr/
18:30:39 <tangentstorm> (that is: i finally fixed the keyboard issue)
18:56:27 <docl> I just started playing with dc (the linux command line tool). Wow. I wish I had known about this sooner.
18:58:18 <docl> It's an RPN calculator that treats each character like a separate command.
18:59:49 <tangentstorm> hey docl! :)
19:00:08 <docl> hi tangentstorm :)
19:00:11 <tangentstorm> yeah, dc is cute.. it has a stack for each letter too
19:00:25 <docl> ahh, cool
19:01:53 <docl> I noticed it when I saw how someone used it to write an elliptic curve algorithm for a bash bitcoin address generator.
19:02:06 <docl> https://github.com/sowbug/bitcoin-bash-tools/blob/master/bitcoin.sh
19:02:55 <tangentstorm> i guess it's not per letter, just there are 255+ "registers" and you can treat them all as stacks
19:05:01 <tangentstorm> not sure i understand what that code is doing, but i like the idea of using dc with pipes for calculations
19:16:26 <docl> http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Elliptic_Curve_Cryptography
19:16:28 <docl> http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Manual:EC_POINT_add%283%29
19:17:11 <docl> EC_POINT_mul calculates the value generator * n + q * m and stores the result in r. The value n may be NULL in which case the result is just q * m. 
19:18:28 <docl> some kind of multiplication algorithm... maybe it creates a set of points and successively multiplies them?
19:21:03 <docl> I believe the part with all the raw numbers in hex is the parameters for the curve.
19:37:17 <tangentstorm> oh that whole 10-line chunk is dc code... wow... scary :)
19:38:52 <docl> :)
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20:34:46 <docl> each of _, *, +, and - is being overloaded such that the result gets loaded into the register stack named %
20:36:47 <docl> no wait, that's backwards. l%x means % is a stack of macros that get executed after each one. I think.
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