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00:15:40 <Mat2> hi erider
00:28:38 <Mat2> erider: You can test the parser if you want so defining functions will work. ALso there exist some primitives for +, +, *, /, l (left shifting), r (right shifting), a (and), and o (or. I am debugging the compiler now
00:29:18 <Mat2> see you all, ciao
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15:26:22 <erider> hi all 
15:26:30 <tangentstorm> hey erider 
15:26:50 <erider> tangentstorm: hi, how is to game coming 
15:26:57 <erider> the* 
15:28:29 <tangentstorm> it's not, at the moment. i'm stuck on toolset issues
15:29:22 <erider> oh 
15:29:30 <erider> I am going to try to tmux 
15:30:00 <erider> how are the basic? I just want to split the term and move from one term to the next 
15:38:52 <erider> tangentstorm: ok got it 
15:43:27 <tangentstorm> sorry, was afk. you can customize the bindings to whatever you want. i like control-r for the prefix
15:48:45 <erider> I can live with ctrl-b 
15:49:40 <erider> how do you unsplit 
15:50:11 <erider> tangentstorm: hey you are right tmux is a lot more user friendly then screen :-) 
15:52:41 <tangentstorm> prefix -b will break
15:52:48 <tangentstorm> (unsplit)
15:52:59 <tangentstorm> prefix-j joins them back together
15:53:22 <erider> tangentstorm: why will it break 
15:53:25 <tangentstorm> although that might just be my custom setup: https://github.com/tangentstorm/tangentconf/tree/master/tmux
15:53:40 <tangentstorm> break is the tmux word for unsplit :)
15:54:38 <tangentstorm> also prefix -? should show your current keybindings
15:54:38 <erider> oh "-0 
15:55:58 <erider> tangentstorm: you don't use c-r for command lookup 
15:56:14 <erider> shame on you :=) 
15:56:33 <tangentstorm> what do you mean?
15:56:43 <erider> ctrl-r 
15:56:46 <tangentstorm> in bash?
15:56:54 <tangentstorm> the reverse search thing?
15:57:21 <tangentstorm> no, i use ctrl-r ctrl-r :)
15:57:31 <erider> I was reading you comment in your conf 
15:57:41 <erider> your* 
15:57:50 <tangentstorm> which is a lot less annoying than using ctrl-b ctrl-b for moving the cursor left :)
15:58:06 <tangentstorm> ohh :)
15:59:40 <tangentstorm> you can also do prefix-: and just type the command at the prompt.
15:59:52 <tangentstorm> like prefix-: break
16:00:03 <tangentstorm> or prefix-:split-window
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16:03:31 <docl> Howdy retroers 
16:06:24 <tangentstorm> docl! what's up? :)
16:06:50 <docl> Hey tangentstorm, doing well. 
16:07:26 <docl> Using an android as my main computer these days. 
16:08:16 <erider> how docl 
16:08:22 <erider> long time 
16:08:25 <erider> no chat 
16:08:34 <tangentstorm> like an android tablet? or like c3po? :D
16:09:35 <docl> Just a phone. Large sized, but still much smaller than a tablet.
16:10:15 <docl> HTC Sense is the brand.
16:11:35 <docl> No wait, Vivid is the specific model. Sense is the software layer I just got rid of.
16:12:02 <docl> Hi erider :)
16:13:24 <erider> how is it going docl 
16:13:54 <docl> Doing good 
16:16:31 <erider> good deal 
16:21:55 <docl> I recently rooted my phone. I wonder if I can get Retro to run on it.
16:27:16 <erider> it should have you have a cross compiler 
16:27:46 <erider> the c version is ansi c I think 
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16:33:00 <tangentstorm> there's a retro for android in google play but it's rather out of date.
16:35:17 <erider> tangentstorm: that is the java version right 
16:36:34 <tangentstorm> my guess is javascript
16:36:52 <tangentstorm> is there a java version?
16:42:32 <erider> android and js 
16:42:44 <erider> yes there is a java version 
16:43:03 <erider> its not a complete version 
16:44:31 <tangentstorm> ah ok
16:46:50 <erider> I am not sure but if docl is talking htc I am thinking the c version should be good with a cross compiler maybe 
16:47:02 <erider> what is the OS on the HTC docl 
16:47:45 <docl> I'm attempting to compile using a gcc app.
16:48:37 <docl> The OS is called ice cream sandwich, I think. 
16:49:33 <erider> is that a linux flavor
16:50:08 <docl> The Linux kernel is used, but on top of that it's the Android OS. Ice Cream Sandwich is version 4 of that.
16:51:19 <docl> Most apps are written in Google's special variation on Java. 
16:52:26 <erider> oh 
16:52:43 <erider> then I am not sure 
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16:53:01 <erider> crcx would need to chime in 
16:54:27 <docl> I flashed a custom ROM (disk image) called Desensed which works with my Vivid model. It got rid of some of the extras from HTC and gave me root access. 
16:56:02 <erider> so you can use the linux side of the phone 
16:56:41 <erider> docl: its arm? 
16:56:55 <docl> Yes
16:57:21 <erider> there is embedded arm retro 
16:57:40 <docl> There is a terminal app, but no gnu stuff like compilers. 
16:58:35 <docl> There is an app for it. Not sure if it includes command line access though. 
16:58:36 <erider> is there away to put files on the file system? 
16:58:43 <docl> Yes
16:59:02 <erider> then just cross compile 
17:01:18 <erider> not sure if the arm version will run but I guess it is worth a try 
17:05:43 <docl> Interesting. It compiled but is giving me a permission error. 
17:07:36 <erider> docl: when you try to run it 
17:07:57 <docl> Yeah. Permission denied. 
17:08:01 <erider> weird I thought you rooted the phone 
17:08:15 <tangentstorm> hmmm
17:08:40 <erider> damn question, did you chmod it 
17:09:08 <docl> Tried going su, also chmodding to 755.
17:09:11 <erider> tangentstorm: I am starting to like tmux 
17:09:13 <tangentstorm> the java version or my pascal port may also work.
17:09:50 <erider> there is pascal on the phone? 
17:10:18 <erider> tangentstorm: or are you talking about a pascal cross compiler 
17:14:30 <tangentstorm> there is a pascal on the phone but it's terrible. i meant freepascal.org.
17:14:57 <tangentstorm> er there's /a/ pascal that you can /put/ on the phone.  :)
17:15:02 <tangentstorm> but it's terrible.
17:19:31 <erider> interesting 
17:20:00 <erider> I think the c version maybe easier to work with 
17:20:12 <erider> the code that is 
17:27:36 <tangentstorm> what are you trying to say!? you have offended my family!!! ;)
17:28:10 <docl> lol
17:29:14 <tangentstorm> we were tossing around the idea of a haskell port the other day in #lpmc
17:36:27 <tangentstorm> i've been thinking about an optimization for retro.
17:37:25 <tangentstorm> not really sure whether it would save all that much, but it would save it in a lot of places.
17:38:35 <tangentstorm> basically, if there aren't any jumps/loops in a section of code, you could read the definition backwards, and push each value to the return stack.
17:38:51 <tangentstorm> then return
17:39:11 <tangentstorm> this jumps to the first item, which when done jumps to the second item, etc.
17:39:31 <tangentstorm> so it's as if you're executing directly off the return stack.
17:40:44 <tangentstorm> all it really saves is 1 operation per call, but that's probably the most common thing retro does.
17:42:01 <tangentstorm> am i making any sense? :)
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18:12:57 <docl> Hmm. Seems like it could work. But wouldn't it use resources to read the code and make sure it has no jumps? 
18:13:48 <tangentstorm> yeah, at compile time
18:13:56 <docl> That might be more a one time cost though. 
18:14:07 <tangentstorm> or you could just do it manually in a critical section of code
18:14:17 <docl> Yeah 
18:14:21 <tangentstorm> using a quotation and some immediate word after it
18:14:40 <docl> Cool!
18:14:49 <tangentstorm> or maybe before and after. not sure.
18:16:17 <docl> I found a complete IDE for android called AIDE. Java, of course. 
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18:25:28 <tangentstorm> oh yeah. i have that installed. haven't really played with it yet.
18:25:32 <tangentstorm> is it cool?
18:33:28 <docl> seems to work okay.
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18:36:59 <docl> hello world works right out of the box.
18:37:15 <tangentstorm> :)
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