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14:51:05 <tangentcode> I went to create a word, and emacs highlighted it. I look it up. It means what I expected it to mean. :) yay! ( the word was "within" )
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15:23:30 <Mat2> Salut !
15:50:31 <tangentcode> ehy
15:50:33 <tangentcode> hey
15:53:27 <tangentcode> https://github.com/sabren/b4/blob/master/rx/minesweep.rx now with floodfill algorithm for uncovering the mines
15:53:51 <tangentcode> i think everything for the logic is there now, but most of it has only had minor testing
15:53:59 <tangentcode> should be all display stuff now
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15:54:40 <erider> hi all 
15:54:44 <erider> hi Mat2 
15:54:48 <tangentcode> hey erider
15:54:55 <erider> hi tangentcode 
15:59:24 <Mat2> hi erider and tangentstorm
15:59:50 <erider> Mat2: what's up 
16:00:34 <Mat2> I'm working on the hashed dictionary routines for my retro inspired language
16:01:09 <Mat2> have you finished your ngaro version for TCL ?
16:03:12 <erider> I have two versions that I haven't had time to figure out why they are not running the image, tangentcode has a link to them in github I think 
16:08:13 <Mat2> hmm, I know a TCL specialist who would probably take a look of it
16:08:23 <Mat2> ^look at it
16:08:55 <erider> tangentcode: do you have the link 
16:09:07 <erider> hi docl 
16:09:43 <Mat2> hi docl
16:12:13 <erider> Mat2:  git checkout git://github.com/LearnProgramming/retro-language.git
16:13:58 <erider> hmm looks like its not there anymore
16:14:13 <Mat2> can not find it
16:18:05 <erider> ping tangentcode 
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16:21:07 <erider> Mat2: try https://github.com/LearnProgramming/retro-language/commits/tcl
16:23:26 <erider> Mat2: ok I found them: https://github.com/LearnProgramming/retro-language/tree/tcl/vm/partial/tcl
16:31:02 <tangentcode> oh.. yeah. . i made a branche
16:31:18 <tangentcode> branch because i thought my script to update that fork might wipe it out
16:31:42 <tangentcode> sorry.. am fighting with nested loops in retro
16:32:43 <tangentcode> : go 5 [ 6 [ "xyz" puts space ] iterd cr ] iterd ; 
16:32:54 <tangentcode> does not seem to work right
16:33:25 <tangentcode> it'll show a grid but then retro starts saying Retro 11.5 after every prompt
16:33:41 <tangentcode> i've seen this before in other places but can't explain it yet.
16:34:26 <tangentcode> hmm. i guess i don't really need a nested loop if i can just mod the width of the grid...
16:40:09 <tangentcode> oh! i know what it's doing!
16:40:25 <tangentcode> it's jumping  to 0 
16:43:42 <Mat2> that is the reason why I prefer recursion instead of loop constructs for concatentativre languages
16:44:14 <Mat2> ^concatentative
16:44:35 <Mat2> erider: thanks
16:45:09 <erider> I though in the backin they were doing the same thing
16:51:36 <Mat2> it's all about implicit stack values between iterations :D
16:56:35 <docl> hi Mat2, hi erider, hi tangentcode 
16:56:42 <erider> hi docl 
16:56:46 <Mat2> hi !
16:57:04 <Mat2> what's new ?
16:57:12 <docl> how's it going?
17:00:01 <erider> not going to bad 
17:00:05 <erider> what about you
17:01:05 <docl> doing well
17:02:34 <tangentcode> recursion.. good point, Mat2 
17:02:37 <tangentcode> hey docl 
17:02:45 <tangentcode> wb :)
17:03:41 <erider> if is it tail recursion with no hard hit to speed then rock on :-) 
17:03:53 <erider> if it is... 
17:04:12 <docl> :)
17:05:02 <beretta> interesting... I've just read an article about recursion vs. iterations... it was interesting except that all the examples where in java.
17:07:11 <beretta> without tail recursion, though, I'm skeptical that recursion is all that much better than iterations. The author claimed that recursion is better for larger data sets, but seemed to ignore the stack usage problem.
17:09:39 <beretta> his example was reversion the order of a singly linked list.. which is syntactically nicer with recursion, but wastefull on the stack.
17:12:40 <oPless> proper languages have tail recursion ;)
17:14:23 <oPless> or (for-each proper-languages (have-property? tail-recursion))
17:27:15 <Mat2> tail-call optimisation is a condition, yes
17:28:58 <Mat2> it's an optimization which can easy be  implemented in retro at demand, I think
17:30:26 <Mat2> get some sleep, ciao
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17:52:50 <beretta> : tail  ' bra , parse-word lookup >cfa , postpone ; ;
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18:24:22 <tangentcode>   : recurse (  -  ) @last @d->xt , ; compile-only    <- from forth.rx
18:25:11 <beretta> :)
18:27:32 <beretta> my latest forth doesn't hide the currently-being-defined-word... it simplified thing not too... and recursion is even easier.
18:30:40 <beretta> ";" doesn't have to unsmudge "latest" or link latest into the dictionary...
18:31:13 <beretta> it just compiles "exit" and changes the compiler state.
18:36:04 <tangentcode> : cells  0; dup putn  space dec jump, ` cells ;
18:36:45 <tangentcode> 16 cells  -->   16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
18:39:03 <beretta> nice code
18:40:03 <beretta> too bad the ";" compiles exit you don't need....
18:41:32 <beretta> I like the "0;" word.
18:41:44 <beretta> is that a standard retro word?
18:54:44 <tangentcode> yeah
18:54:48 <tangentcode> it's an opcode
18:55:16 <tangentcode> i put the ; there just out of habit ... i could have used [[ to turn off compiler
18:59:07 <beretta> :)
18:59:33 <beretta> wow... is 0; that handy to be a primitive?
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