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06:08:33 <erider> hi all
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08:11:28 <crc> hi erider
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12:25:47 <Mat2> slante
12:29:08 <tangentstorm> aloha :)
12:44:31 <Mat2> hi tangentstorm
13:46:32 <Mat2> hmm, know someone about the progress of erider's TCL version of ngaro ?
14:08:13 <tangentstorm> haven't talked to him about it in a few days
14:09:02 <tangentstorm> pretty sure we got the ngarotests running the day i worked with him. that was before i got sick though, and i don't remember much :)
14:21:49 <Mat2> you got sick ?
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14:27:13 <Mat2> dou you mean, you felt sick or you got sick ?
14:27:23 <Mat2> ^do
14:29:39 * Mat2 not sure how to undertand sick here
14:30:36 <tangentstorm> yes i had a very bad cold for several days
14:30:54 <tangentstorm> i'm fine now :)
14:37:28 <Mat2> good to read
14:38:08 <tangentstorm> progress: https://gist.github.com/4581941
14:41:32 <Mat2> ok you compile to the neco vm not ngaro as I see
14:43:04 <tangentstorm> Yes, for the time being
14:43:21 <tangentstorm> Haxe supports garbage collection, and it targets neko.
14:43:47 <Mat2> understandable
14:43:52 <tangentstorm> it also generates C++, C#, PHP, javascript, and java code, or can compile directly to a SWF
14:44:03 <Mat2> that's nice
14:44:29 <Mat2> I think garbage collection is on crc's working list
14:44:47 <tangentstorm> yeah. and I know he had an earlier forth-like language that implements it
14:45:02 <tangentstorm> and the project oberon book has a garbage collecter implemented in oberon :)
14:45:07 <Mat2> there exist some nice GC implementation for ANSI forth
14:45:23 <Mat2> porting this code would be mor or less straight forward
14:45:27 <tangentstorm> was looking at one of those yesterday
14:47:17 <Mat2> you can also take a look at the strong forth extension to ANS forth for type checking
14:47:31 <tangentstorm> hmm! interesting.
14:47:48 <tangentstorm> i had been looking at the Cat language. hadn't heard of strong forth. will check it out.
14:48:10 <Mat2> it's type system is even stronger than that of ADA
14:50:58 <tangentstorm> seems to have dropped off the web, but : http://web.archive.org/web/20111014172922/http://home.vrweb.de/stephan.becher/forth/
14:51:18 <tangentstorm> GPL :(
14:55:14 <Mat2> hmm, I think to be finished with metro end of january and retro will need optional type checking, so I will write a library
15:00:34 <Mat2> crc: have you any plans for implementing some kind of garbage collection in retro ?
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15:32:07 <crc> Mat2: I'll be doing a GC for parable. Possibly for retro later as well.
16:01:02 <Mat2> good to know
16:01:07 <Mat2> get some sleep
16:01:08 <Mat2> ciao
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20:19:16 <tangentstorm> noct can now parse and generate haxe code for all the tests. however: not all the haxe code runs yet, due to lack of translation between type systems.
20:20:57 <tangentstorm> now that i know the templates work, i'm starting to think it may be easier to just target retro...
20:23:12 <tangentstorm> retro and haxe have similar degrees of reach across platforms. haxe just does it at the syntax layer, whereas retro does it at the vm layer.
20:24:30 <tangentstorm> i thought the vm approach might be slower, but i'm going to have to create wrapper types to introduce pass by reference for primitives at the syntax layer in haxe, and that's going to be just as much of a slowdown
20:25:25 <tangentstorm> and ngaro's not necessarily all that slow anyway :)
20:26:35 <tangentstorm> okay. you guys talked me into it.
20:26:37 <tangentstorm>  retro it is. 
20:26:39 <tangentstorm> :)
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23:49:16 <tangentstorm> crc: wow. just looked at kernel.rx for the first time in a while. so much clearer now :)
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