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12:43:06 <erider> hi all 
12:45:15 <tangentstorm> hello :)
12:45:41 <erider> hi tangentstorm 
12:46:17 <erider> so I completed the rewrite of the ngaro but it is not load the image 
12:58:09 <tangentstorm> why not? :)
12:59:00 <erider> checking on the now, finishing the coding last night. now we are going to see what is wrong
12:59:22 <tangentstorm> do you have a repo online somewhere?
12:59:34 <tangentstorm> < i get the impression you're not a big fan of version control >
13:00:24 <erider> I am a fan but I was just doing this for fun and to learn some tcl 
13:01:24 <erider> once I get the partial ngaro running then I will start to try to make it a complete vm and add it to the repo 
13:01:37 <tangentstorm> cool :)
13:02:29 <tangentstorm> i was just asking because i'm willing to take a look if you want a second pair of eyes :)
13:02:51 <erider> I can pastebin the code 
13:03:17 <tangentstorm> ok
13:03:49 <erider> get me a minute I am doing the first pass in the debugger 
14:00:59 <erider> tangentstorm: ok are you still around 
14:16:40 <tangentstorm> yeah, hey :)
14:20:00 <erider> I gave it a once over and the code looks like it should run the image fine. My last coding of the vm loading the image fine but didn't do much else. Now the code is a lot cleaning and its not working at all (sad face) 
14:21:48 <erider> tangentstorm: well here it is: http://pastebin.com/ABqffatS
14:22:42 <tangentstorm> that's pretty
14:24:14 <erider> tangentstorm: in the debugger it looks like the ram is getting the image in fine 
14:24:23 <tangentstorm> very clean looking syntax i mean
14:24:32 <erider> I am not getting any errors 
14:24:52 <erider> but it will not get to the listener 
14:25:02 <erider> like the old code could 
14:26:09 <erider> at least the old code gave me errors :-( 
14:26:32 <erider> tangentstorm: do you want the old code too? 
14:27:06 <tangentstorm> nah
14:27:57 <erider> ok but that one gets to the listener 
14:29:19 <tangentstorm> but you don't know what's different?
14:30:04 <erider> The difference in the code is that I made the stack and return stack dynamic, so they are not initialized, space is allocated as needs and clean up when the action is done  
14:30:04 <tangentstorm> so: we can either try and analyze the two side by side and figure out what the difference is
14:30:33 <erider> needed... 
14:30:40 <tangentstorm> ... or we can get it under test and see what the tests have to say
14:34:16 <erider> tangentstorm: here is the old code too: http://pastebin.com/TcesbsbE
14:34:33 <tangentstorm> also, if need be, we could use the protocol to have retro.c / retro.js dump every n ticks and compare, to try and isolate where two implementations diverge
14:36:43 <tangentstorm> erider: what is the difference between stack and $stack ?
14:37:48 <erider> stack is variable and $stack is the value 
14:38:39 <erider> $ deferences 
14:39:29 <erider> oops deref
14:42:23 <erider> tangentstorm: I am game lead and I will follow 
14:43:02 <tangentstorm> wild guess though: your stack pointer is off by 1
14:43:25 <erider> tangentstorm: I fulling believe the tcl can be a complete implementation of ngaro vm 
14:43:26 <tangentstorm> in   -5 { lset ports 5 [llength $stack] }
14:43:51 <tangentstorm> vs  -5 { lset ports 5 $sp }
14:43:57 <tangentstorm> on line 76/78
14:44:06 <tangentstorm> of course it can :)
14:45:07 <tangentstorm> my guess is those differ by 1 and now retro gets confused when it does the introspection
14:45:44 <tangentstorm> i don't know where or why it does introspection... i tried stepping through in my debugger and it's a LOT of code.
14:46:00 <tangentstorm> ( and my debugger doesn't let you step over things )
14:46:06 <erider> but is the the length of the stack or the stack pointer 
14:46:41 <erider> but the stack is dynamic in the new version there is no need for a stack pointer
14:46:51 <tangentstorm> this is just a guess. 
14:47:57 <erider> hmm
14:48:12 <tangentstorm> i mean i think retro actually uses the query device in the bootup process, and it's getting a value that makes it go haywire
14:49:45 <erider> I wonder...
14:51:13 <erider> Do it have to a static stack 
14:52:14 <tangentstorm> i don't see how it would know :)
14:54:00 <tangentstorm> ok.
14:54:29 <tangentstorm> i'm installing tcl on my server so I can try it out, and we can share a screen if you want
14:55:59 <erider> how do you code the protocol 
15:03:12 <tangentstorm> do you still have the link i showed you the other day?
15:03:26 <tangentstorm> well it doesn't matter because it'll be in the repo
15:07:56 <erider> which repo are you guys pulling from? github
15:14:04 <erider> the length of the stack == sp 
15:14:55 <erider> the sp always points at the top of the stack 
15:18:26 <tangentstorm> bzr / launchpad is the main repo, but i have a working copy already set up on my account from when we were doing the js one
15:18:52 <tangentstorm> do you want to share a screen? i just got tcl and all the config stuff set up
15:19:14 <tangentstorm> okay, so not a good theory then. we'll figure it out :)
15:20:35 <erider> "screen" the program? 
15:21:08 <tangentstorm> tmux
15:21:13 <tangentstorm> but same concept, yeah
15:21:44 <erider> I have used tmux /me is looking at the manpage 
15:22:09 <erider> No manual entry for tmux
15:22:48 <tangentstorm> anybody else want to join?
15:25:02 <erider> everyone is idle 
15:25:17 <tangentstorm> <shrug> :)
15:25:47 <tangentstorm> did you get the message with the password? you can just ssh in and type tmux attach
15:25:59 <tangentstorm> if you want. i won't be sad or anything :D
15:26:56 <tangentstorm> oh tiny screen
15:27:31 <tangentstorm> i always know when people connect because the screen changes size :)
15:38:15 <tangentstorm> okie doke
15:40:24 <erider> lol 
15:42:35 <tangentstorm> is tclsh not the right way to start tcl?
15:42:51 <erider> that is rigth 
15:43:18 <erider> what version are you using 
15:43:19 <tangentstorm> but you don't get this error
15:43:37 <tangentstorm> 8.4 i guess
15:44:52 <erider> I am using 8.5 
15:45:39 <erider> your image is bigger than mine 
15:47:07 <erider> 92108 is the size but that is better 
15:54:31 <erider> do I take the screen when I type at the prompt 
15:54:46 <tangentstorm> yeah.
15:55:02 <tangentstorm> there's a way to make it not do that but i don't remember how it works
15:55:19 <tangentstorm> i was going to make it so we could switch back and forth. one sec
15:55:50 <erider> ah ok some if there are two prompts you can't type at one and someone at the other 
15:55:58 <tangentstorm> actually you can use ^R d to detach and start a new session i think
15:56:52 <tangentstorm> sorry... i didn't have my configs installed on this account so it's weird to use :)
15:57:09 <tangentstorm> we can switch between the panes with ^r o 
16:00:06 <tangentstorm> okay. so we need to implement --dump and --image
16:00:17 <erider> ok 
16:00:21 <tangentstorm> (the actual parameter checking)
16:00:43 <tangentstorm> and then we need to port this dump() command
16:01:56 <tangentstorm> any idea how to do the argument stuff?
16:02:13 <erider> yeah 
16:02:28 <tangentstorm> feel free to take over :)
16:03:23 <tangentstorm> sorry. i have nested tmux sessions :)
16:03:41 <tangentstorm> there we go. all yours.
16:04:00 <tangentstorm> i will look up how to write those ascii control codes
16:04:24 <erider> ok 
16:06:50 <tangentstorm> [format %c 97]  makes character 97
16:09:22 <tangentstorm> ergh.. i'm being called away. feel free to do whatever you want on the machine
16:09:44 <erider> tangentstorm: are we doing old or new 
16:10:04 <tangentstorm> it's my box. you can also see the stuff at http://lpmc.ne.sabren.com/ i think
16:10:26 <tangentstorm> yeah http://lpmc.ne.sabren.com/retro-language/ is the directory we're in
16:10:49 <tangentstorm> take your pick. we can apply the changes to both.
16:10:59 <tangentstorm> i gotta go. sorry :/ back in a bit
16:11:35 <tangentstorm> detached so you could have your whole screen :)
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16:13:31 <erider> what do we need to have? 
16:13:40 <erider> dump and what else 
16:15:10 <erider> I am going to code it here the dump it into the file, my vi is setup the way I like it 
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16:47:21 <erider> tangentaway: what is --dump doing 
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17:11:43 <tangentstorm> back. sorry about that
17:12:40 <tangentstorm> --dump simply sets a flag that calls that dump function after the vm exits
17:13:53 <erider> I have a scope issue 
17:14:22 <tangentstorm> you found the problem?
17:14:26 <erider> I am going to try it a different way 
17:18:59 <erider> I am coding a solution now 
17:19:51 <tangentstorm> ok
17:20:05 <tangentstorm> sorry for disappearing.
17:20:20 <tangentstorm> should i just shut this down then?
17:22:28 <tangentstorm> well i'll leave it up in case you want it. i think i'm going to go to sleep. i've been up since like 1am
17:26:37 <erider> ok I think I can get the scope to work 
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17:47:21 <erider> I had to go simple until I can learn the scope rules of the language 
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