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06:45:12 <erider> hi all 
07:20:29 <crc> docl: where is mkey defined?
08:11:42 <docl> oops, I accidentally deleted the line. fixed.
08:37:57 <crc> thanks
08:41:00 <crc> I'm starting to port the retro libraries (where possible) to parable
08:42:58 <docl> cool
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13:34:29 <erider> hi docl 
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14:30:30 <crc> hi erider 
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14:56:00 <Mat2> hello
14:56:06 <docl> howdy
14:56:23 <Mat2> hi Docl !
14:56:32 <Mat2> how's the day ?
14:56:39 <docl> pretty good
14:57:16 <Mat2> good to read
14:57:27 <docl> Just finished watching a Bond movie with my wife. She is determined to have watched them all by the time the next one comes out.
14:59:02 <Mat2> do you mean all bond films in time ?
15:00:17 <docl> Yes, all of them. She had started watching the older ones a year or two ago.
15:00:32 <Mat2> ok..
15:00:41 <docl> The one we just watched was Tomorrow Never Dies
15:01:33 <Mat2> I hope you can enjoy these films just as your wife
15:01:57 <docl> They're ok. I probably would not have made the decision to watch them on my own, but I enjoy watching with her.
15:03:03 <docl> I guess she saw the more recent ones when she was a kid, so there was some nostalgia factor there. I hadn't seen any of them.
15:04:18 <docl> It's a kind of interesting view of recent american history, watching a long running series like that all the way through.
15:06:25 <docl> What've you been up to?
15:06:40 <Mat2> I'm woke up in Berlin so have a very special view into american history
15:08:06 <docl> Cool. I have often wondered how we look from other perspectives.
15:09:08 <Mat2> very different from what most americans would suggest
15:09:53 <Mat2> specially for people with sozialisation in oriental cultures
15:11:12 <Mat2> (Berlin has a rich mulicultural history)
15:14:35 <docl> What makes something a culture as opposed to a subculture, I wonder? Is it just a matter of degree?
15:14:58 <docl> There are definitely a lot of subcultures in the US.
15:16:20 <Mat2> moral and ethic differencies which based upon tradition
15:17:45 <docl> yeah that makes sense
15:20:43 <docl> Do we seem backwards for being less familiar with the concept of tolerating other cultures?
15:26:40 <Mat2> I can't speak for most cultures but from discussions and hearing it's common to identify american people as some kind of wild-west cowboy which shoot first and than speak
15:28:09 <docl> Like, overconfident, making up minds and taking premature action based on incomplete information?
15:28:25 <Mat2> yes
15:28:36 <docl> I can kinda see that :)
15:32:49 <Mat2> you have some politicans which have a talent  to fundamentate such fixed opinions
15:34:03 <Mat2> jus some months ago I saw a documentation about a woman with name Sarah Powell (forget her name)
15:34:13 <docl> Palin?
15:34:19 <Mat2> oh yes, thanks
15:42:12 * docl is watching the most recent presidential debate
15:42:39 <Mat2> Reporting on the presidential election campaign is also very comprehensive here in the local press
15:44:18 <docl> That is something that seems kind of assymetric as well... I get very little exposure to european or asian politics here.
15:44:45 <Mat2> especially Mit Romney's statements cause some irritations (that can be the result of translations)
15:44:57 <docl> maybe our politicians are more entertaining / ridiculous to watch :)
15:45:12 <Mat2> that for sure :)
15:54:55 <Mat2> it's after midnight here, I go o bed
15:54:57 <Mat2> ciao
15:55:03 <docl> see ya later
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20:49:35 * docl is reading The Art of Unix Programming by esr http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/
20:50:05 <docl> maybe I'll get some insights into cool unixy things to do in retro.
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21:41:19 <kumul> blasphemy! the only unix that should be noted is plan9
21:42:22 <docl> :)
21:43:11 <docl> there's an ld proverb, those who don't understand unix are doomed to reinvent it... poorly.
22:19:32 <kumul> docl: you do know who made plan9 no?
22:37:11 <kumul> if the people who made unix had to reinvent it, well then i dont know about that proverb
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