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09:04:10 <tangentstorm> crc : do you get notified when I check stuff into my branch automatically?
09:04:29 <tangentstorm> i just pushed some line-by-line docs for the quotation compiler
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10:26:17 <crc> rev 396 moves two internal functions into a new internals' vocabulary
10:26:32 <crc> tangent: no, but I do check periodically during the day
10:35:41 <docl> is there a bzr command to conveniently see diffs from previous revisions?
10:37:59 <docl> ah, found it. bzr diff -c[revision number]
10:39:50 <docl> actually closer to what I was looking for: bzr diff -r[revno 1]..[revno 2]
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11:21:56 <docl> hi tangentstorm 
11:28:37 <tangentstorm> heya
11:31:30 * docl is back to feeling like a total newb again wrt retro :)
11:33:28 <tangentstorm> why?
11:33:47 <tangentstorm> you're supposed to be my guru :D
11:33:52 <docl> :)
11:34:59 <docl> I'm still trying to grok some of this new stuff. maybe 'total newb' is an exaggeration though :)
11:36:20 <tangentstorm> what's the new stuff?
11:38:02 <docl> I'm not sure I understand the assembler stuff very well.
11:39:19 <docl> well, I get the general principle... just not sure I'm not missing something major.
11:40:23 <tangentstorm> it's hard for me to sort out what happens at runtime vs compiletime
11:40:44 <docl> yeah that's probably it.
11:41:13 <docl> so, today I have been giving some thought to chording.
11:41:32 <tangentstorm> for keyboard/mouse you mean?
11:41:45 <docl> it seems like to support chords, we would need to be able to sense lifting up on the key, not just pressing it.
11:41:48 <docl> yeah
11:42:32 <docl> so if I press ui at the same time, that means something different from pressing u then lifting up and pressing i then lifting up.
11:44:17 <tangentstorm> yeah... i need the same thing for what i'm doing... though i was thinking more about alt/ctrl/etc
11:44:51 <tangentstorm> i remember seeing an app a few years ago that would let you switch sides of the keyboard if you held space down
11:44:57 <tangentstorm> so you could type with one hand
11:45:00 <docl> nice
11:45:47 <tangentstorm> ... the javascript version's keyboard handler should be hackable to do what you want
11:46:03 <tangentstorm> it has a direct keyboard event mode... it's just not hooked up
11:46:51 <tangentstorm> http://games.tangentcode.com/eg4d-v.bacon.0/
11:47:22 <tangentstorm> i have this whole new color terminal for javascript waiting on me to fix that before i can submit it
11:48:02 <docl> is that just a picture? I can't type into it. (using safari)
11:48:19 <tangentstorm> yeah because the keyboard driver isn't hook
11:48:21 <tangentstorm> ed up
11:48:37 <docl> ah  ok
11:48:46 <tangentstorm> ... if you have a javascript debugger, you can just directly set the the input buffer
11:48:50 <tangentstorm>  think it's a variable called tib
11:50:55 <tangentstorm> https://twitter.com/i/#!/tangentstorm/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FXLVRz0TX
11:51:03 <tangentstorm> that's what it looks like with color
11:51:47 <docl> cool
11:53:32 <docl> hmm. I've been using ; as my tmux prefix lately. I cna hit it followed by whatever key to get whatever I have bound to it. hitting ; twice gives me the literal character. could probably do something like that with retro.
11:55:00 <docl> not really chording, but could be a way to use a smaller keyboard area (at the cost of slowness because you have to hit more keys).
11:55:04 <tangentstorm> yeah i use tmux too
11:56:05 <tangentstorm> i had planned to implement a keyboard driver for the pascal vm
11:58:23 <tangentstorm> https://github.com/badsector/ptckvm
11:59:10 <tangentstorm> this already implements a full screen text display with mouse and keyboard events
12:00:00 <tangentstorm> you can plug in different bitmapped fonts... and it all runs on top of a general direct graphics library, a bit like SDL
12:00:28 <tangentstorm> ( so it does the canvas part too )
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12:35:46 <Mat2> hello
12:38:04 <docl> hi Mat2 
12:39:04 <docl> tangentstorm: that sounds interesting. I wonder how efficient it is.
12:39:23 <docl> I seem to recall SDL being very slow
12:39:50 <docl> possibly just a lack of optimization
12:42:02 <Mat2> hi docl
12:54:39 <Mat2> docl: I remember SDL as a low level immediate representation for game programming
12:56:55 <Mat2> if you search for a highly optimisated graphic engine I recommend this library:
12:57:16 <Mat2> http://www.antigrain.com/
12:59:52 <Mat2> or cairo which has a SDL backend
13:05:03 <tangentstorm> http://www.crossgl.com/aggpas/aggpas-demo.htm
13:05:32 <tangentstorm> aggpas ships with freepascal... was planning to incorporate it for the smooth drawing
13:06:52 <tangentstorm> ( it's a port of antigrain )
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13:10:07 <Mat2> nice
13:10:11 <Mat2> hi tangentstorm
13:10:36 <Mat2> and hello saper
13:12:51 <tangentstorm> heya Mat2 :) I can't find the link you gave me to navm
13:13:38 <Mat2> https://www.assembla.com/code/avm/git/nodes
13:13:48 <Mat2> ^look here
13:14:11 <tangentstorm> bookmarked. thanks. :)
13:19:15 <Mat2> I've found the ultimative self-builded z80 system:
13:19:32 <Mat2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5uz4J5NRm4&feature=endscreen&NR=1
13:22:57 <tangentstorm> is z80 the amiga chip?
13:24:43 <Mat2> n that was a mc68000
13:24:48 <Mat2> ^no
13:24:48 <tangentstorm> nope. amiga used motorolla... yeah :)
13:25:47 <Mat2> Z80 was used in the AMSTRAD cpc series, MSX, Tandy TRS80 and most every CP/M computer
13:26:12 <tangentstorm> i was confused by that red and white checkered sphere :)
13:27:07 <Mat2> AMIGA style bouncing balls create stimulate imitations from history to current :)
13:27:51 <Mat2> the used Z80 series of these board is a 20 MHZ variant
13:28:19 <tangentstorm> this is the kind of thing i want to let people do with retropascal... games and demos and graphics and stuff... :)
13:28:39 <Mat2> yes, there is a demand for it
13:29:09 <tangentstorm> and give people direct access to the machine. even though it's a virtual machine :)
13:30:33 <Mat2> my plan is to program a bare-metal version if everything is finished
13:30:55 <Mat2> and boot up directly into the interpreter
13:31:27 <Mat2> (using bare-metal os as foundation)
13:32:01 <Mat2> another plan is to port my vm to this:
13:32:05 <tangentstorm> i'd like something like that
13:32:06 <Mat2> http://geoffg.net/maximite.html
13:33:11 <tangentstorm> that's cool :)
13:34:31 <Mat2> I can order a completely soldered version for only 36 euro (the duinomite)
13:35:03 <Mat2> the used mpu is mips 32 based :)
13:35:49 <tangentstorm> it's like arduno right? ... that's where the AVM comes from in navm? 
13:37:07 <Mat2> AVM means simply A Virtual Machine (like APL A Programming Language)
13:39:27 <tangentstorm> oh. :) yeah, i saw you talking about that. i was studying J a while back. 
13:39:51 <Mat2> put that board together with the gamoino and you will have a very powerful system for less than 70 euro
13:41:39 <tangentstorm> gamoino ? google's not helping
13:45:04 <Mat2> this was a typo
13:45:12 <Mat2> one moment please
13:46:42 <Mat2> gameduino
13:49:19 <Mat2> this shield implement an MISC style soft cpu which can be programmed freely for acceleration purposes
13:52:42 <Mat2> I found the mips based system in combination with this shield very attractive
13:52:51 <Mat2> and cheap
13:53:29 <Mat2> (and it left 10 pins free for other usages)
13:54:10 <impomatic> I'd like a Duinomite running Forth
13:57:41 <Mat2> hey, someone have ported retroBSD to it :)
13:58:18 <Mat2> a port would be very simple I think
13:59:12 <Mat2> and it would run your retropascal project I think
13:59:18 <Mat2> or retro
14:04:11 <Mat2> (I don't know if freepascal have a mips backend, but crosscompiling per GCC with f2c can be an option)
14:09:48 <tangentstorm> Mat2: retropascal is going to be a pascal compiler running on and targeting ngaro... i'm just using freepascal until i build it
14:10:09 <Mat2> ok, so it would run out of the box
14:12:12 <tangentstorm> nah, none of my code ever really runs.. :)
14:12:12 <tangentstorm> j/k
14:13:24 <Mat2> have you a repro ?
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14:16:29 <Mat2> hi kumul
14:17:25 <kumul> ello
14:22:40 <Mat2> its up to midnight here, I will go to bed
14:22:43 <Mat2> ciao
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14:55:37 <docl> https://gist.github.com/3895813
14:56:31 <docl> prefix-based keybindings sytem
15:29:30 <crc> I should probably add something to handle vocabularies better.   needs ... with ...  gets annoying
15:33:21 <docl> yeah
15:33:55 * docl just updated the paste to use spacebar as prefix
15:35:36 <docl> also other cleanups
15:36:43 <docl> hmm. I can't seem to point the prefix at itself. for example space-space. probably because getc calls remap-keys.
15:37:09 <docl> er, remapKeys
15:45:37 <crc> docl: use the internal function:   : getc:internal  ( -c )  &getc 2 + @ do ;
15:54:50 <docl> works :)
15:56:30 <crc> good :)
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17:21:52 <erider> hi all 
18:40:07 <docl>  hi erider 
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20:41:45 <docl> https://gist.github.com/3895813 has some new examples added.
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