00:00:00 --- log: started retro/12.04.03
04:58:17 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120403115754-zned2e6775z0puw4 10rx/www/css/bootstrap.css: revert to a white-dominant color scheme
07:50:53 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120403145030-sok6rz36g1rtsruh 10rx/library/ (dump.rx fixed.rx): pull updates from tthomas
07:55:19 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120403145456-tp4ftlesc180ra04 10rx/library/fixed.rx: whitespace policing in fixed'
07:57:22 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120403145700-k3psl1b215xi5pgj 10rx/library/fixed.rx: slight change to ^fixed'putWhole to simplify things
07:58:16 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120403145753-mf52xfm3ectpvnaq 10rx/library/dump.rx: whitespace policing in dump'
08:02:21 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120403150158-kqf7u5g3ilb24gys 10rx/library/dump.rx: small cleanups to dump'
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09:14:52 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120403161429-385m30hi5j4owrms 10rx/RELEASE_NOTES.rst: minor clarfications in release notes
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12:11:32 <crc> https://gist.github.com/2291911  <- reversion of retro to a minimal kernel
13:35:06 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120403203443-a6r8amaqkh36v8f4 10rx/incoming/locals.rx: start proper reentrant locals'
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13:53:59 <Mat2> hello !
13:54:42 <__tthomas__> hi
13:54:57 <Mat2> hi ! what's going on ?
13:55:17 <__tthomas__> nothing much, just working, looks like my vpn blocks port 6667 now..
13:57:03 <Mat2> working on a vi inspired design of color editor
13:57:59 <__tthomas__> awesome, I just got a hydra propeller game dev board to play with..
13:58:13 <Mat2> nice board
13:58:39 <__tthomas__> figured be good board to learn about ntsc and video optimizations on..
13:59:23 <__tthomas__> though while watching tv been playing with nonblocking keyboard and socket IO
14:00:05 <Mat2> next month I get my 12 propeller chip's and will begin working on a hive clone together with my older doughter
14:00:42 <Mat2> she will learn how to build her own computer from scratch
14:00:50 <__tthomas__> nice :) I saw a cog memory manager for sharing multiple ram chips and cog ram..
14:01:26 <__tthomas__> lets you treat all your propellers as large memory array..
14:01:55 <Mat2> interessting ! Have you a link ?
14:02:01 <Mat2> interesting
14:02:27 <__tthomas__> http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?119725-VMCOG-Virtual-Memory-for-ZiCog-Zog-more-(VMCOG-0.976-PropCade-TriBlade_2-HYDRA-HX512-XEDODRAM)
14:07:43 <Mat2> seem to be a very simple concept
14:08:24 <__tthomas__> I already have the 23k256 ram, have 4 chips.. 
14:09:05 <__tthomas__> they are cheap and reasonably fast.. and work with everything, anything that can support SPI
14:11:13 <Mat2> that's something I spend time on next month, at current i'm to excited bringing my forth idea into reality
14:11:58 <Mat2> and port it to my own build computer system :)
14:13:12 <Mat2> after
14:15:06 <Mat2> but sram with SPI support looks a good solution, regardless of its usage for such a project
14:15:17 <Mat2> looks like
14:15:29 <Mat2> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/devices.aspx?ddocname=en539039
14:16:33 <Mat2> the driver software is simple
14:18:55 <Mat2> I mean the mentioned code from ariba
14:21:47 <__tthomas__> yeah it is very simple, they have some SPI ethernet chips as well, I like them since requires most of software to be written vs. having buffers on chip so have more control vs. wiznet chips..
14:23:02 <__tthomas__> they also have 1 meg SPI eeproms for storage, though could also just use SD cards..
14:25:17 <Mat2> if I could get some MRAM
14:27:55 <__tthomas__> most ram takes way too many pins..
14:28:23 <Mat2> that's true
14:28:45 <__tthomas__> though you can get around it by using multiplexers, just takes more cycles to read and write to ram..
14:29:45 <Mat2> have you ever heard about creating a ULA from a simple ROM chip ?
14:29:53 <__tthomas__> ULA?
14:30:16 <Mat2> Unified Logic Array
14:31:14 <__tthomas__> wondered if it was possible, just using eeprom to generate logic as I think that is how original gal's worked..
14:32:13 <Mat2> I have read something about it from an article about early home-computers from Sinclair Research 
14:32:44 <Mat2> which was all build around a ULA
14:33:29 <__tthomas__> I could see doing logic just by building gate tables in ram, would use some pins to address it and would return proper pins set..
14:33:37 <__tthomas__> meant rom not ram..
14:34:31 <Mat2> I think it can work this way
14:35:43 <__tthomas__> I think original PALs were just a matrix of NAND gates that you could blow fuses between to form paths..
14:38:40 <Mat2> so it would be possible to clone an old Sinclair ULA
14:38:42 <__tthomas__> the programmable logic device article on wikipedia states EEPROM were originally used for programmable logic..
14:41:22 <Mat2> (i'm searching for some kind of simple but flexible graphic interface)
14:41:53 <__tthomas__> thats what attracted me to propeller in first place was built in VSU
14:42:48 <Mat2> searching as interface for the vm
14:43:26 <Mat2> which would be buildable in hardware (or software with an propeller) also
14:43:45 <Mat2> http://www.msx.org/wiki/V9958
14:44:01 <Mat2> is also interesting 
14:44:17 <__tthomas__> not sure I follow.. chameleon has awesome interface between atmega 328P and propeller which handles all peripherals including graphics, it just streams 3 bytes at a time very fast.. first byte is command, next two is value..
14:44:54 <__tthomas__> oh, TI has an hdmi interface chip..
14:46:03 <Mat2> ok, haven't know about chameleon
14:49:32 <Mat2> need some sleep, see you later
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