00:00:00 --- log: started retro/12.04.02 05:48:36 retro: 03crc  * rcrc@questor-20120402124812-hqcun62490ca3289 10rx/ (NOTES library/diet.rx): don't invoke ^diet'shrink on loading diet' (seems to help stability) 06:55:04 retro: 03crc  * rcrc@questor-20120402135441-w59vjv0s1tz9sdw8 10rx/ (doc/Libraries.rst doc/library/diet.rst library/diet.rx): add ^diet'max (reduces buffers to 160 cells), update documentation a bit 08:14:01 --- join: Kumul (~Kumul@adsl-72-50-66-190.prtc.net) joined #retro 08:57:14 --- quit: Kumul (Quit: gone) 09:00:47 --- join: __tthomas__ (481db874@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.29.184.116) joined #retro 09:30:56 --- join: roarde (~roarde@pdpc/supporter/active/roarde) joined #retro 09:43:16 --- join: roarde_ (~roarde@99.26.96.1) joined #retro 09:43:18 --- quit: roarde_ (Changing host) 09:43:18 --- join: roarde_ (~roarde@pdpc/supporter/active/roarde) joined #retro 09:43:21 --- quit: roarde (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 09:43:44 --- nick: roarde_ -> roarde 10:47:17 on an embedded target, where you don't need private headers or temporary strings, the buffers can be reduced to 160 cells now. See http://rx-core.org/dev/corpse/article/186 11:39:04 <__tthomas__> 160 cells, that is awesome.. Do you know max stack depths needed for core image? If I was to guess, I would guess less than 20.. 11:51:23 from a rebuild of the image: 11:51:24 Max SP: 15 11:51:24 Max RSP: 42 11:51:24 Max SP: 15 11:51:24 Max RSP: 42 11:51:49 the C version will track the sp and rsp max depths is you pass --stats to it 11:55:46 using .s will consume a lot of stack (2x the number of items on the stack for data) 11:56:31 crc: changes to get minimal image are just you're the sole author, end at "endKernel shrink bootNew", and provide for and call save and bye? 11:57:46 roarde: yes 11:58:46 thanks. ^diet''s great, btw 11:58:57 nice to have those options so easily 12:18:43 I'm looking into the possibility of writing a small bit of code to return the image to the minimal state 12:30:33 You mean build normal retro, then call a word (or similar) to get minimal? 12:31:28 <__tthomas__> very nice.. .s thing makes sense as it probably has to dup all the values in order to print them.. 12:33:11 Other reasons aside, I'm looking at "Retro-by-degrees": 12:33:51 Start with a very small, modern forth and let the user work up understanding from there. 12:34:55 So at one point, being able to not just go to, but also return from a minimal state would come in handy. 12:35:28 <__tthomas__> yeah, system you build up and customize for particular application.. then when application exits return to clean slate.. 12:36:16 (Use minimal, explain how and why to write and use a bit more of Retro, then add the rest when it becomes obvious. 12:36:17 ) 12:39:54 <__tthomas__> though it isn't hard to seem minimal or small when a typical word processor these days takes several hundred megs of hard drive and close to 100 megs of ram to even run.. 12:40:29 roarde: yes 12:40:50 sweet! 12:42:08 When viewing corpse/2012/, visited and unvisited links are the same color. It's a new OS install, so would someone let me know what they see, please? 12:47:14 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 12:47:59 sorry, my mistake: http://rx-core.org/dev/rancid/2012 12:48:35 (with the new OS in, I can finally start using Retro so I can remember stuff like which is corpse and which is rancid) 12:52:28 --- quit: __tthomas__ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13:03:06 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #retro 13:03:44 --- join: Kumul (~Kumul@adsl-72-50-66-190.prtc.net) joined #retro 13:07:47 roarde: I'll look at the CSS this evening 13:08:19 might be good to add that, but I've learned that it's my browser that's changed 13:09:34 the boostrap css doesn't have :visited as a different color by default; I haven't changed that yet 13:10:58 right. The browser I was using had ancient options which allowed the browser itself to do it (or not). 13:11:56 whether the page had it coded or not, that is 13:18:26 --- join: __tthomas__ (481db874@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.29.184.116) joined #retro 13:31:13 retro: 03crc  * rcrc@questor-20120402203050-ngaesoij0obsp4eb 10rx/www/css/bootstrap.css: tweak css [part 1 of 2] 13:31:19 --- quit: TheStitch (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13:33:21 --- join: TheStitch (~Stitch@2a02:7d0:1:203:216:3eff:fe1e:f36a) joined #retro 13:34:58 --- quit: __tthomas__ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13:47:02 retro: 03crc  * rcrc@questor-20120402204640-w1k3wt0ln7zhzjee 10rx/www/css/bootstrap.css: make visited links dark blue [Part 2 of 2] 13:48:09 roarde: that should take care of the links for now 13:51:29 retro: 03crc  * rcrc@questor-20120402205106-93fg8hl6k5jnjex6 10rx/www/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): update some of the html documentation to reflect the most recent changes 13:51:38 yep, everywhere except for the log links (which is what I miss) 14:02:13 retro: 03crc  * rcrc@questor-20120402210151-2otp44jcr91tydky 10rx/www/css/bootstrap.css: fix visited links in rancid [Part 3 of 2] 14:02:27 that should resolve the logs as well 14:03:19 thank you! 14:05:01 --- join: __tthomas__ (~toddb@24.130.7.34) joined #retro 14:06:48 --- quit: __tthomas__ (Client Quit) 14:11:38 --- join: __tthomas__ (~Owner@24.130.7.34) joined #retro 14:37:20 --- join: roarde_ (~roarde@pdpc/supporter/active/roarde) joined #retro 14:37:51 --- quit: roarde (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 14:37:51 --- nick: roarde_ -> roarde 15:04:22 any other issues with the site? 15:08:06 If you want minor picks, the background (when unselected) for previous and next has changed to a blue that's rather hard to take given the text color 15:08:15 (viewing a log page) 15:08:28 ff 11.0, btw 15:09:00 on mouseover, it's black 15:10:26 same for corpse 16:25:15 --- quit: roarde (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:25:40 --- join: roarde (~roarde@pdpc/supporter/active/roarde) joined #retro 16:44:36 --- part: __tthomas__ left #retro 17:46:51 roarde: ok, I'll look into that 17:55:16 how does it look now? 18:00:30 Much more readable 18:01:11 I was a fan of the previous color scheme, but this might grow on me over time. 18:03:13 retro: 03crc  * rcrc@questor-20120403010250-b6n8sm23t6akucw7 10rx/www/css/bootstrap.css: redo css to attempt to improve readability 18:04:03 I'll use this until I can fix the navbar bits in the other 18:07:07 * roarde nods. works fine. 18:35:59 --- quit: roarde (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20:23:46 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20:30:09 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #retro 21:11:45 --- join: __tthomas__ (~Owner@24.130.7.34) joined #retro 22:39:13 --- quit: Kumul (Quit: gone) 22:40:54 --- quit: __tthomas__ (Quit: Leaving.) 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/12.04.02