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06:15:32 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120326131509-oo7ggr2g7gmyeq9v 10rx/examples/games/hangman/wordlist.txt: add a simple wordlist.txt for the hangman game
06:52:46 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120326135221-6lm5exebkfryliro 10rx/examples/games/hangman/dict.rx: minor cleanup in hangman
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10:07:45 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120326170711-6r22aqtgq0mbc1b8 10rx/ (3 files in 3 dirs): simpler ^calendar'isLeapYear?
10:24:22 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120326172359-g4fjpe3xb08r85qs 10rx/examples/rosetta_code/rot-13.rx: use char' in rosetta_code/rot13 example
10:31:37 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120326173114-wxawo7ml4ufyfn2n 10rx/examples/rosetta_code/roman_numerals.rx: remove unneeded condtional in rosetta_code/roman_numerals
11:05:53 <__tthomas__> I find it kind of entertaining the project is called retroforth, when it is one of the most progressive experimental forths out there.. :)
11:59:30 <crc> http://lists.tunes.org/archives/tunes-lll/1999-July/000121.html
11:59:36 <crc> explains where the name came from
12:42:28 <CIA-98> retro: 03crc <crc@questor> * rcrc@questor-20120326194205-vwqmcsw64qncv4am 10rx/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update rosetta_code terminal position code for changes to console' vocabulary
13:09:16 <__tthomas__> ah, that explains it..
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14:05:50 <Mat2> Hello !
14:11:39 <__tthomas__> hi
14:12:09 <__tthomas__> went to Silicon Valley FIG on saturday.. spread the word.. :)
14:13:19 <Mat2> great !
14:13:56 <Mat2> exist there a presentation list ?
14:13:58 <__tthomas__> Tons of interest in embedded forths, no surprise there..
14:14:46 <__tthomas__> http://www.forth.org/svfig/ here is website..
14:15:09 <__tthomas__> Dr. Ting was showing off his 16 bit forth on fpga
14:15:26 <__tthomas__> and someone was trying to use grub to boot directly into gforth..
14:15:58 <__tthomas__> I think I could use C# version of retro and get a bootable forth pretty quick using cosmos..
14:15:58 <Mat2> hmm, ok
14:17:15 <Mat2> it would be possible to compile the old java version for that purpose also (with gcj)
14:17:49 <Mat2> with the classpath libs from gnu you can create standalone binaries
14:18:04 <__tthomas__> oh? lots of good articles on writing a toy OS, could probably port C version too.. but would take a bit of work..
14:18:47 <Mat2> I have great respect for ForthOS
14:20:03 <__tthomas__> interesting, haven't looked at that before..
14:20:32 <__tthomas__> Chuck runs his forth including simulator and cpu design tools from a bootable floppy..
14:21:11 <Mat2> I had here an old 3,5 disc with Enth and Flux
14:24:37 <Mat2> and for some colorforth experiments I'm using Rainbow forth
14:25:27 <__tthomas__> how is rainbowforth, I played with it a very little bit..
14:28:46 <Mat2> it respects some standards like normal keyboard bindings and is somewhat different from colorforth in its interpretation of immediate words
14:29:58 <Mat2> the assembler sources are ... not well optimisated
14:30:22 <Mat2> but otherwise very comfortable
14:30:35 <Mat2> and colorforth like
14:30:39 <__tthomas__> that is okay to me, that is something that is fixable if needed, and easy to not worry about if it works well enough..
14:32:53 <Mat2> it works well
14:33:11 <Mat2> and comes with bindings for windows and xlib
14:36:51 <__tthomas__> cool.. will have to check it out sometime, just as a curiousity..
14:37:12 <__tthomas__> I intend to eventually write a small block editor, I was going to do ed style though..
14:38:15 <Mat2> line-editors have some advantages
14:38:30 <Mat2> you can script them
14:39:46 <__tthomas__> they are really easy to write as well..
14:39:56 <__tthomas__> and very small..
14:40:44 <Mat2> I had now some experiences with nonblocking input in linux from assembly
14:41:17 <__tthomas__> cool, I mostly write nonblocking/async code at work..
14:41:29 <Mat2> using the not-well documentated sys_ioctl interface
14:41:32 <__tthomas__> it is way easier to debug..
14:41:59 <__tthomas__> windows you just call getkey I believe.. then if it returns true you readkey
14:42:24 <Mat2> as noted, the linux (unix) interface is a mes
14:42:25 <Mat2> s
14:43:15 <__tthomas__> windows serial library is a mess.. unless you use .net, then it is super easy..
14:43:19 <Mat2> so I'm thinking about get scancodes from the keyboard controller directly, should be easier
14:44:01 <__tthomas__> winconsole isn't too bad, nonblocking sockets are really easy on both..
14:44:36 <Mat2> I don't know windows serial libraries but the BSD seems to have an undocumented syscall for nonbocking input
14:44:48 <__tthomas__> for the python version on windows, debating if better to use ctypes or activestate python with win32 extension..
14:45:03 <__tthomas__> on bsd I always use kqueue..
14:45:36 <__tthomas__> haven't looked at serial stuff too much, been a bit since done anything in freebsd..
14:47:11 <__tthomas__> I really should build a netbsd vmware image for testing..
14:47:41 <Mat2> someone should have an pardon and port the OS/2 API
14:48:03 <__tthomas__> pharo smalltalk would be an interesting target..
14:49:04 <Mat2> hmm, my netbook run Ubuntu but for the next version I will compile a NetBSD system for it
14:49:42 <__tthomas__> I switched from Ubuntu to debian 6, didn't like newest ubuntu, not that I really liked the older versions either..
14:50:21 <Mat2> most of my work can be done at a shell promt
14:50:53 <__tthomas__> my arm server only supports ubuntu 10.10.. 
14:51:12 <Mat2> ok
14:52:01 <__tthomas__> I never really use gui on linux except for running xterm and a browser.. running from putty on windows is better environment for me..
14:54:35 <Mat2> I do not want to waste ressources for unused GUI crap any more
14:55:19 <Mat2> and will install Enlightement R17 instead :D
14:55:36 <__tthomas__> heh, just run it headless, I run debian without xserver..
14:56:25 <__tthomas__> hmm.. I should try and see if I can get framebuffer version working..
14:57:02 <Mat2> can't because of my childreen; There want play some games on the machine (maryo chronicles and such)
14:57:36 <__tthomas__> duel boot.. :)
14:57:43 <__tthomas__> s/duel/dual
15:00:47 <Mat2> hmm, a solution, right :)
15:01:22 <__tthomas__> I have 3 laptops, not counting work laptop.. 1 for wife, 1 for me, and netbook..
15:01:45 <__tthomas__> and 4 desktops, none of which are hooked up, just sitting in closet..
15:02:38 <__tthomas__> I do have another mini desktop hooked to tv, and my server which is tiny that needs to be attached to network..
15:03:33 <Mat2> I prefer using only one computer at time
15:04:04 <Mat2> (and writing all I need from scratch)
15:04:18 <__tthomas__> Well two of desktops were our gaming computers, but we play xbox so don't really play computer games except occassionally sims3 or random flash games..
15:05:13 <__tthomas__> then have a desktop friend gave us that is ancient, I was going to use it as a test box, and my old shuttle computer that has been replaced by gaming box..
15:07:34 <Mat2> hmm, possibly I buy them a game console
15:08:12 <__tthomas__> wii's are cheap, I like xbox since has free dev kit to write own software for it..
15:09:11 <__tthomas__> which I haven't done yet, retroforth now on xbox360.. :P
15:19:37 <Mat2> hmm, niche hardware, a 4 core PowerPC cpu
15:19:50 <Mat2> sorry, mean nice
15:21:22 <Mat2> time for some coding, ciao
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17:18:04 <__tthomas__> crc who is current maintainer of c# version of VM?
18:01:37 <crc> me
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