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15:54:30 <erider> hi all 
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16:41:47 <crc> Hi erider 
16:43:14 <erider> hi crc 
16:43:30 <erider> have you heard of bcompiler 
16:44:11 <crc> The PHP thing? 
16:46:34 <erider> no 
16:46:55 <erider> the forth like language done in hex
16:47:11 <erider> bootstrapping 
16:48:23 <erider> start out writing a simple compiler with a small rule set [0-9a-f]{2}* 
16:49:29 <erider> then you self compile to build on top of the first compiler until you get to a forth like system 
16:50:14 <crc> Why not implement a cross compiler? 
16:51:32 <erider> you are not using any language to implement the language only machine code xxd and xxd -r 
16:52:07 <erider> well until you have to bootstrap complete then you can use the language itself to implement the rest of it 
16:52:18 <crc> You still need a system to enter and compile the hex into a binary 
16:52:38 <erider> xxd 
16:53:34 <erider> echo e8 eb ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | xxd -r > output 
16:54:14 <crc> So you're using another machine to manually assemble the initial binary 
16:55:00 <erider> yes 
16:55:02 <crc> I'd think it better to implement a target assembler or cross compiler if you have that luxury. 
16:55:29 <erider> in hex? 
16:55:35 <crc> No
16:56:06 <erider> ah in a language like C or assembly or even python these days :) 
16:56:44 <crc> For instance, when I was first implementing retro on ngaro, I wrote a simple assembler for it rather than starting with raw hex
16:57:53 <erider> ah that was the assembler you wrote in toka right 
16:58:30 <crc> The first assembler was in retro10, and later ported to toka
16:58:39 <erider> oh 
16:58:52 <crc> Err, retro9 not 10
16:59:00 <erider> ah ok 
17:00:04 <crc> Toka was a better tool than retro9 for this, and hence the switch
17:00:57 <crc> One retro10 advanced enough, the assembler was rewritten in retro10 making us self hosting 
17:01:18 <erider> yeah 
17:01:42 <crc> It would have taken much longer to get to a usable state if I had started with hex
17:04:54 <erider> yeah I just want to learn some internal working of the cpu and how compiler/assembler work 
17:04:57 <erider> :) 
17:06:24 <erider> I am have some issues with symbol tables and relative addressing but I am working through it 
17:07:14 <crc> Retro doesn't have relative addressing :) 
17:07:34 <erider> yeah I know 
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17:10:15 <erider> stack languages are neat to learn, it helps with understand assembly 
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18:00:25 <crc> Time for me to head off to bed. Goodnight. 
18:23:35 <erider> goodnight 
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