00:00:00 --- log: started retro/11.02.18 06:56:08 --- join: aisa (~aisa@c-68-35-165-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined #retro 09:34:08 --- join: roarde (~roarde@pdpc/supporter/active/sixforty) joined #retro 09:57:31 --- quit: roarde (Quit: Leaving.) 15:02:14 --- join: roarde (~roarde@pdpc/supporter/active/sixforty) joined #retro 15:55:45 --- join: qbject (~qb@137.sub-174-254-3.myvzw.com) joined #retro 15:55:54 hi, qbject 15:56:16 Evening, roarde 15:56:34 How goes it? 15:56:48 have to admit it's getting better 15:57:11 Like, all the time? 15:57:11 yourself? 15:57:43 right. Won't admit it unless I have to, as I'm a crank. 15:58:22 Heheh. 15:58:37 I'm well enough. 15:59:34 Slightly ornery, but satisfyingly so. 16:00:24 I'll pass on the temptation of another lyric quote 16:01:00 --- join: qbject_ (~qb@209.234.140.58) joined #retro 16:03:04 In the grip of your initial skepticism did you happen to see this? 16:03:10 http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/Mk1/Architecture.htm 16:03:45 --- quit: qbject (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16:04:12 --- nick: qbject_ -> qbject 16:04:41 I'd seen it before, was kinda interested. Didn't know about the webring. Nice find. 16:05:26 His links page has a number of cool projects listed 16:06:46 I've bookmarked the page. Right now I'm finding ways to decrease what I look at on the internet. 16:08:39 I hear that. I'm thinking about getting a supee-cheap Chinese laptop for Retro just so there's no way to go online while working. 16:09:46 You know, strip out everything but a kingdom kernel and the dependencies. (Does Retro have any dependencies?) 16:10:09 Kingdom = linux 16:10:29 (Stupid smart phone) 16:12:49 the c vm uses only standard headers to build, so it needs only the system. Other vm's need their language, of course. 16:13:26 afaik, Retro itself doesn't require anything additional. 16:16:44 --- quit: qbject (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16:18:19 --- join: qbject (~qb@38.sub-174-254-21.myvzw.com) joined #retro 16:19:13 qbject: how're you coming with learning to use Retro? 16:22:44 --- quit: qbject (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16:55:12 --- join: qbject (~qb@15.sub-174-254-18.myvzw.com) joined #retro 17:14:42 --- join: crcx (~crcx@184.77.185.20) joined #retro 17:16:24 Testing IRC under android. 17:17:50 how is the client itself, btw? 17:18:50 I'll be pushing out 10.7.7 on Sunday. Only real change is the updated VMs to make /mod consistent 17:19:01 The client seems ok 17:20:58 I've definitely decided work with 10.7.2. Going to see what's needed to keep sync with latest vm's for as long as possible. 17:22:41 10.7.2 will work with the latest vms 17:24:44 Thought so, haven't tried it yet. Over the weekend, I'll be working on docs. 17:25:07 Rather, tools to derive the info for docs. 17:43:04 --- quit: crcx (Quit: Bye) 17:47:26 back to the mac 17:59:07 --- quit: qbject (Quit: Bye) 17:59:26 --- join: qbject (~qb@15.sub-174-254-18.myvzw.com) joined #retro 18:38:59 --- quit: aisa (Quit: aisa) 18:46:42 --- quit: qbject () 18:52:31 I'm going to have to learn enough of a new programming language to take apart a vm. 18:53:44 Of the existing vm's, which one might produce a better return of understanding for a smaller investment of learning its implementation language? 18:54:07 Or enough of the language to get a handle on the vm. 18:54:43 I'd look at either the python or ruby implementations 18:55:00 k, I'll try those thanks. 19:10:55 ohter than not doing --with, are there limitations to the lisp vm? 19:11:32 oops. bbiab 19:11:37 the lisp vm has no support for file i/o or saving of images 19:11:54 arrrgh 19:12:14 It's the only one I can get any sense of. 19:16:40 I should see if I can get the file functionality added to it 19:17:41 Perhaps, but then will it be used enough to justify the effort? 19:18:15 Myself, I'd planned to read it, understand a third of it, and throw it away. 19:18:20 probably not 19:20:30 How can I learn about Canvas with Retro in mind? Or would you like another option for graphics? 19:20:40 other than file i/o, it does pass the test suite, so all non-io related stuff works as expected 19:21:04 retro's canvas functionality is currently limited to drawing simple shapes 19:21:57 xcb with an eye towards sus v4, maybe? 19:23:24 I've not evaluated other options yet 19:24:05 Might Canvas eventually do what you wish? 19:24:18 yes 19:25:45 just to be sure, we're basically talking about the html 5 element "canvas"? 19:34:11 yup. the canvas device is built over html5 canvas. the sdl code simulates this 19:34:55 Thanks. I think the answers are enough to keep me busy and quiet for a while :D 20:05:27 --- join: crc_ (~quassel@li125-93.members.linode.com) joined #retro 20:06:49 --- quit: crc (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 23:21:35 --- quit: roarde (Quit: Leaving.) 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/11.02.18