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09:43:12 <roarde> there are probably fewer than 200 ppl worldwide who don't have ASau` on ignore
09:50:58 <crcx> I'm one of them
09:51:47 <roarde> yeah, I have to fess up, too. wonder who the other < 198 are
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12:33:23 <foucist> i had him on ignore before
12:33:36 <foucist> but i'm not in the chans he is in anymoer either
12:35:24 <roarde> Short of just keeping my yap shut (fat chance), I should've mentioned ASau` where I saw him quoted, which wasn't here. My apologies.
12:37:33 <roarde> Having opened the subject, he's knowledgeable, thorough, terse, and opinonated.
12:38:02 <roarde> The stronger the first three, the more likely the fourth.
12:38:09 <roarde> for anyone
12:39:57 <foucist> he's russian iirc
12:40:05 <roarde> think so, yes
12:40:10 <foucist> there was another russian as well
12:40:34 <foucist> for some reason both of them were really really annoying, so angry etc heh
12:40:45 <roarde> for a while, the first term when I searched for software was "russia*"
12:41:58 <roarde> Every day I swear to remember I've sweared off PTS-DOS. Every day I swear to forswear my forswearance. :P
12:42:29 <crcx> asau is very negative towards forth, but persists in using it anyway (a pforth dialect)
12:42:46 <roarde> thought he was a gforth guy
12:43:19 <crcx> roarde: he uses pforth, but in posts on comp.lang.forth and in #forth is very negative towards the language
12:44:16 <roarde> he was trying to convince me that ANSI was the only way to go
12:44:47 <crcx> extra negative towards non-ANS forths
12:45:19 <roarde> yeah, the ability to directly share or port the code was the thing
12:45:39 <roarde> also, the higher level of ANS
12:45:52 <foucist> really the ANSI thing stunted the growth of the forth community
12:46:05 <foucist> ruby isn't ANSI yet
12:47:13 <roarde> there should be something ANS-sized that's basically forth.
13:02:27 <crcx> standards tend to stunt the evolution of languages
13:05:20 <roarde> and their revolution
13:05:31 <roarde> it's time to devolve
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13:10:04 <crcx> this is one reason I don't adhere to ANS. retro is organic and evolves as I use it
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13:11:07 <roarde> how do you communicate your ideas with someone who uses forth, but not retro
13:11:10 <roarde> ?
13:11:41 <crcx> (fwiw, I do recognize the need for a stable target; 10.7 will be it for the forseeable future; the bleeding edge stuff is unlikely to get a numbered release anytime soon)
13:12:09 <crcx> code examples, with commentary and discussion
13:12:51 <roarde> stable target, no. mileposts for common discussion, yes. Say 10, 10.4, and probably 10.7
13:13:02 <crcx> most forth users view my work as impure :)
13:13:29 <roarde> clear as a crystal, sharp as a knife
13:13:58 <crcx> I still provide some help to people still using 7.x
13:14:34 <yiyus> chuck's work is impure too ;)
13:14:55 <roarde> what would be a suitable name for "retro for a wider audience"?
13:15:13 <crcx> yiyus: his work is farther towards the extreme than mine
13:15:36 <yiyus> roarde: revival
13:16:02 <roarde> yiyus: more, please?
13:16:20 <roarde> and know where I can get an avatar signifying "loose cannon"?
13:29:38 <crcx> would there be any interest in precompiled vm's for the common platforms?
13:31:10 <roarde> c-compilers are easy to come by. I'd think pre-compiled only where a cc is not normally present.
13:32:22 <crcx> ok
13:39:38 * crcx is getting ready to head home. I'll be back in an hour or two.
13:39:54 <roarde> cya, crcx
13:40:43 <roarde> yiyus: was "revival" a name suggestion, an opinion, or the name of an existing forth(-like)?
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13:54:56 <erider> hello all 
13:55:04 <roarde> hi, erider
13:55:23 <erider> hey 
13:55:24 <erider> how are you doing 
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15:11:13 <Mat2> Hi !
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15:20:24 <crc> home again :)
15:20:27 <crc> hi erider 
16:23:33 <erider> hey crc whats new
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16:37:50 <crc> erider: prepping retro 10.7 for release, and working on cleanups to the post-10.7 codebase
17:59:01 <docl> howdy
17:59:49 <docl> http://www.yosefk.com/blog/my-history-with-forth-stack-machines.html
18:14:10 <crc> I saw this a few days ago
18:20:04 <docl> what are your thoughts on it?
18:53:06 <crc> it raises some interesting points
19:03:30 <erider> cool I am glad to see that retro is still moving along 
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