00:00:00 --- log: started retro/10.02.22 02:52:27 --- quit: sixforty (Quit: Leaving.) 05:00:00 --- join: virl (~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #retro 07:52:56 --- join: cfa (~cfa@bas7-montrealak-1167896330.dsl.bell.ca) joined #retro 12:17:39 --- part: cfa left #retro 12:33:22 --- join: Raystm2 (~1808e8d4@gateway/web/freenode/x-mbtwwclijogikspl) joined #retro 12:36:46 Hi crc. I found a links page that for some weird reason has colorForth.info pointing to http://ray.rx-core.org/. Is there some way to point http://ray.rx-core.org/ to colorforth.info? tks either way. I'm going back to editing the "starting" page but I'll come back when you get home. :-) 12:37:16 --- part: Raystm2 left #retro 13:16:23 --- join: Kallias (~5cc38717@gateway/web/freenode/x-fidkduohvnqmmrtf) joined #retro 13:17:02 --- quit: Kallias (Client Quit) 15:55:02 --- join: erider (~chatzilla@pool-173-69-160-231.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined #retro 15:55:10 --- quit: erider (Changing host) 15:55:10 --- join: erider (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/erider) joined #retro 15:59:47 hey guys whats shaking 16:30:18 --- quit: erider (*.net *.split) 16:30:19 --- quit: docl (*.net *.split) 16:30:19 --- quit: probonono (*.net *.split) 16:30:22 --- join: docl (~luke@75-175-33-13.ptld.qwest.net) joined #retro 16:30:42 --- join: probonono (~User@unaffiliated/probonono) joined #retro 16:30:58 --- join: erider (~chatzilla@pool-173-69-160-231.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined #retro 16:31:40 --- quit: erider (Changing host) 16:31:40 --- join: erider (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/erider) joined #retro 16:50:19 good evening 16:50:29 ray: I'll take care of that tonight 17:18:27 crc do you support ruby on retroforth.org 17:18:36 np 17:18:39 *no 17:18:45 ok 17:18:45 that server is too underpowered 17:18:52 the rx-core.org server *could* run ruby 17:19:16 (in fact, I have ruby installed on it, but no *rails* installation) 17:19:21 just asking 17:19:52 * erider is thinking about playing with rails but later on down the road 17:28:27 I might test rails out for a future project 17:30:11 crc I want to get into web stuff but I haven't figured out how 17:30:29 ruby/railz fw 17:30:31 ftw* 17:31:57 crc: what vps are you using 17:31:58 hi foucist 17:32:09 whats new 17:32:41 foucist: I just started migrating to linode 17:32:52 ah ok that'll be easier to run rails on it 17:33:15 erider: working on a learning site in rails 17:35:01 cool 17:35:16 hey crc virtual server? 17:35:34 erider: yes 17:35:51 erider: I can't afford a dedicated server :) 17:35:59 cloud computing :) ;o; 17:37:25 foucist: what would one learn on this site? 17:39:05 crc visualization is the way to go. 17:39:41 * erider works for a virtual OS 17:39:46 from* 17:40:34 I spend ~80% of my time in ssh sessions to virtualized OSes :) 17:43:07 erider: well it's basically a flashcard type of site, where people can make lists of items to study, but there's some twists to it, i'm incorporating SRS (spaced repetition scheduling) which basically strives to bring up items again before a person forgets it based on how many times the person has been exposed to the item (and how correct the person was) 17:43:26 i'm also incoporating some fluency training to it for speed of recall 17:43:40 it's good for learning any sort of facts and especially good for learning languages 17:44:14 like for japanese, can make a list of hiragana items.. か = ka to learn the syllabaries 17:44:19 nice! 17:44:30 cool indeed 17:44:54 crc linode does have a great list of distros 17:45:03 it's not completely new, for example http://smart.fm is pretty good 17:45:31 but i have some ideas for a different direction and trying to fix some things i dislike about smart.fm 17:45:47 have had this idea for a long time 17:46:11 * erider really needs to get into web stuff :( 17:46:32 erider: it's fairly easy if you want to do ruby/rails 17:46:53 just install ruby, rubygems, and then do 'gem install rails' and try out some tutorials that you can find online 17:47:07 yeah ruby/rails would be the direction 17:47:38 there's lots of screencasts available for different aspects of rails 17:48:05 altho many aren't free 17:48:12 usually a charge of like $4 or something 17:48:45 I wonder if there a lot of ruby/rails hosting 17:49:02 erider: yes, most shared hosts support rails now 17:49:06 its extremely common 17:49:34 erider: personally i like dreamhost you can signup for a year and get a $97 off coupon 17:49:43 so your first year only costs like $20 i think 17:49:56 have to google for the coupon code 17:50:20 there is a mod_rails now 17:50:25 well, it's called passenger 17:50:33 it's really handy 17:51:03 just throw your rails site up and then create a restart.txt file in the tmp directory 17:51:35 I need to convince crc to add that module :) 17:52:12 crc: yeah look into installing passenger, easiest way to handle rails w/ apache 17:57:47 foucist: I'll check it out this weekend 18:00:33 crc hey did you do any tweaking of http://retroforth.org/mobile/ it seems that it is moving a little faster today 18:01:19 erider: I added the nop skipping patch, and server load is down significantly 18:04:29 * docl is trying out some ruby now 18:05:09 crc the speed is pretty good 18:05:16 good 18:05:48 erider: only the initial load is server bound, once it starts, it's all client side, which is where the nop skipping helps 18:09:16 docl: not too bad right? 18:09:35 yeah it's fairly painless so far :) 18:15:33 cool 18:17:14 crc are you going with the CentOS 18:17:21 no. 18:17:45 debian 5 18:18:23 crc why not Ubuntu :) 18:18:38 erider: call me crazy but i don't think a desktop oriented distro should be used as a server os 18:18:53 i..e i always look at the philosophy of the distro 18:19:01 erider: I prefer debian for server use 18:19:02 and see if that matches up to task 18:19:40 its just a wrapper its debian at the core ;) 18:19:52 archlinux is nice :) 18:20:15 I think I would go with that CentOS 18:20:27 erider: I refuse to use RPM-based distros 18:20:32 i'm very sensitive to philosophy of every product/software/whatever 18:20:35 and how it's going to be used 18:20:39 or for last ditch FC 18:20:58 that's why i went with ruby/rails rather than php a few years back 18:21:07 because of the philosophy behind the two 18:21:31 what were the philosophy differences 18:22:01 crc yum is not that bad on FC 18:22:33 but yeah I understand the dislike of rpm 18:23:13 erider: no rpm. period. 18:23:24 so looking at the list I guess debian would be the best choice 18:23:36 php is a messy language, but really easy to prototype in. 18:24:08 they have archlinix don't they? 18:24:27 *archlinux even 18:24:34 * erider doesn't know much about archlinux to make an opinion 18:25:31 http://www.archlinux.org/ 18:27:53 docl: linode does offer archlinux. I may try it if I deploy a new vm instance in the future. 18:28:24 * crc is reluctant to erase the current one, since I now have several hundred megs of data + code running on it smoothly. 18:29:11 a worthy consideration 18:29:49 nice thing with archlinux is how easy it is to keep up to date with the latest packages 18:30:12 I just type "sudo pacman -Syu" and it takes care of the rest 18:30:30 pacman is about as easy as apt-get, perhaps easier 18:30:35 i use archlinux on my linode 18:30:51 i figure pacman is the best package manager of all distros 18:32:00 * erider like linux mint and apt-get 18:34:06 about the only thing I can't get using pacman that I need is the broadcom wireless drivers. I have to download the relevant files and use makepkg every time I update the kernel. but that's just because they are proprietary. 19:29:20 --- quit: erider (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19:45:01 [crcx/retroforth] 5d2fad: add some conditional words from LaForth to the lib... 19:59:01 [crcx/retroforth] aa51df: add counted and unconditional loops from LaForth 20:02:02 [crcx/retroforth] 4de8bc: initial at-xy added to console library 20:14:01 [crcx/retroforth] 880fb4: add r> >r and :noname to quirks library 20:20:58 passenger is setup :) - http://rails.rx-core.org/ 20:21:14 now to actually look into coding something... 20:26:06 heh 20:26:10 that was quick 20:26:59 you have any ideas? 20:27:53 I might look into redoing patengi using it 20:32:03 the php implementation is good enough for me, but if I decide to offer it as a hosted service I'll want something more maintainable/scalable 20:43:43 * crc is heading to bed now; will return tomorrow; hopefully during the day 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/10.02.22