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04:23:06 <crcx> good morning
06:18:45 <retro-commit> [crcx/www] 7c8e7e: emit chars, not strings
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06:26:09 <crcx> hi erider 
06:27:12 <erider> hi crcx 
06:28:54 <erider> crcx, I guess you are at work 
06:32:31 <crcx> yes I am
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06:35:53 <retro-commit> [crcx/retro10] 4f6ce7: Add "make shrink" target to simplify building shru...
06:41:48 <erider> crcx: do you know of a good hexeditor for windows? 
06:44:12 <crcx> no
06:44:23 * crcx very seldom uses windows
06:44:24 <erider> no worry 
06:45:12 <erider> I have a image the I want to play (virtualbox rocks!) 
06:45:27 <erider> s/the/that 
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06:56:44 <retro-commit> [crcx/retro10] 8f580d: README now ReStructuredText format
07:00:46 <retro-commit> [crcx/retro10] 9d7b64: add section on building
07:17:46 <retro-commit> [crcx/retro10] e4622f: update initial images
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10:59:20 * docl should make chorder callable from the regular rem script instead of having a separate version of rem
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13:07:43 <crc> home :)
13:11:24 <docl> cool
13:14:50 * crc has one tiny cleanup for remchords.retro
13:15:55 * docl has been modifying the two seperate programs to play together
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13:17:04 <crc> use "within" for the range check in the safer emit
13:17:07 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] ee6cc9: use within instead of if
13:17:11 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] c145e9: chorder and rem, play together
13:19:29 <crc> docl: we can replace:
13:19:31 <crc>     dup 32  <if . cr ;then
13:19:32 <crc>     dup 128 >if . cr ;then
13:19:34 <crc> with:
13:19:41 <crc>   dup 32 128 within if . cr ;then
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14:00:38 <docl> nice!
14:16:48 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 34b2f4: chorder uses within
14:17:48 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] c145e9: chorder and rem, play together
14:20:23 <docl> I'm puzzled at the filter's effect on chorder.write/rem.write
14:20:53 <docl> it seems to play fair with chorder.emit
14:21:09 <docl> ooooh
14:21:22 <docl> there needs to be a couple of swaps
14:23:53 <docl> fixed :)
14:24:29 <docl> now I just need to be able to switch modes easily
14:24:48 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] de3821: fixed bug in chorder.write
14:30:56 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] de3821: fixed bug in chorder.write
14:56:26 <docl> is within inclusive?
14:56:37 <crc> yes
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15:31:50 <docl> happy x-mas eve btw :)
15:48:55 <crc> thanks, same to you
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16:05:53 * crc accidentially killed power to the mac :(
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16:21:51 <docl> oops
16:22:39 <crc> easy to do; the power cables are a mess right now. I've not had time to reorganize everything
16:24:54 * docl has been using a laptop exclusively for a while
16:25:11 <docl> a bit over a year
16:25:39 <crc> cool
16:25:54 * crc wants to get a laptop or netbook again
16:35:32 <docl> yeah I plan on getting a netbook next
16:35:40 <docl> the laptop is great, but a little big
16:36:12 <docl> it is sooo good to be able to have access at anyone's house with all my stuff while not having to tie up their computer
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16:37:01 <crc> bbiab; dinner time
16:54:15 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] ebc191: "c" swaps between chorder and rem
17:01:09 <erider> what is chorder and rem? 
17:09:40 <docl> chorder is a key entry program that lets you type by pressing two keys
17:10:06 <docl> rem is retro editor for mortals, a block editor that crc made that has a cursor and hotkeys
17:14:59 <erider> hmm 
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17:23:06 <crc> chorder is docl's creation; I've not run it yet
17:25:15 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] ebc191: "c" swaps between chorder and rem
17:39:02 <erider> crc: ok 
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17:59:30 <erider> crc: what are you working on the day before xmas 
18:00:47 <crc> small improvements to retro
18:01:51 <erider> the browser from? 
18:01:59 <crc> no, the language itself
18:02:04 <erider> ok 
18:02:28 <erider> I think of retro as the forth on a OS 
18:08:16 <retro-commit> [crcx/retro10] 9ea4e6: factoring
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18:36:43 <retro-commit> [crcx/retro10] 71dfc3: more factoring in core
18:37:14 <crc> core is down by one variable, and 24 bytes
18:43:44 <retro-commit> [crcx/retro10] da0ae2: "set-blocks" no longer calls "new"; blocks now pre...
18:47:35 <crc> this commit is nice since it means that metacompilation no longer requires losing stored blocks.
19:09:00 <erider> huh?
19:09:28 <crc> if you build a new image, any blocks are preserved now (they were wiped out prior to this)
19:10:43 <erider> image? 
19:11:03 <erider> are you talking about retro in a browser 
19:11:33 <crc> all retro systems work the same way
19:12:19 <erider> ok 
19:12:36 <erider> so what is the image that you are hacking 
19:12:43 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] d63ab4: removed extra dup, two-handed mode, stack comments
19:15:36 <crc> there are two parts:1) ngaro, the vm
19:15:41 <crc> 2) retro, the language
19:16:05 <crc> retro is stored in a file that contains a raw memory image for the virtual machine
19:16:45 <erider> a bootstrap sort of speak? 
19:16:49 <crc> the memory image contains the core language, editor, apps, etc
19:16:57 <crc> and blocks for the block editor
19:17:32 * docl wants to see more ability to manage multiple blockfiles
19:17:35 <crc> metacompiling loads a small bootstrap compiler that builds a new core, relocates it over the old one, etc
19:17:40 <crc> docl: not anytime soon
19:18:04 <crc> docl: since retro technically doesn't allow any access outside the memory image at this point
19:19:15 <docl> the address of the zero block is configurable, right?
19:19:30 <crc> yes, it's stored in "offset"
19:19:50 <crc> you could have words to adjust that, and "#-blocks"
19:19:59 <docl> you could just create a word for the blockfile that sets offset and the number of blocks
19:20:16 <docl> :)
19:21:53 * docl should document the chorder once it stabilizes a bit
19:22:01 <crc> please do
19:22:54 <erider> I see crc it has been awhile 
19:25:07 <docl> basically I have it set with 8 keys that give values 0-7. you press two keys in a row and it results in a value 0-77 in octal, or 0-63 decimal. pressing u and h changes an offset variable so that it adds 64 to the value. all uppercase and lowercase letters are above 64.
19:29:18 <docl> I'm thinking it will be really nice for entering hex digits
19:30:44 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 40188a: chorder cleanup
19:44:23 <erider> crc: have you every played with VMS OS? 
20:17:13 <crc> no
20:21:21 <erider> crc: it blow my mind :) 
20:21:31 <erider> blew 
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22:49:49 <docl> woah it took me a half hour to type my name with the chorder
22:50:09 <docl> but my fingers didn't have to move much
22:50:40 <docl> the main problem was backspace. I need to code a key-repeat function so I can just type it once and repeat it
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