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03:50:24 <SimonRC> how about...
03:50:44 <SimonRC> inlining and extraction of repeated code?
03:51:25 <SimonRC> you select a region, kit a key, enter a name, and that code is factored out into a word of the given name
03:51:54 <SimonRC> inlining is a bit trickier I suppose
06:03:07 <docl> hmm
06:04:02 <docl> if you are doing things on multiple lines you could move the line upwards and add the name
06:05:59 <docl> another good thing would be the ability to rotate spaces or other chars in from the end or beginning of the line to the current pos.
06:11:56 <SimonRC> why?
07:18:27 <docl> there are times you want to insert words. this way you could just write them on the end of the line and rotate them in.
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07:32:10 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 8ea5a9: remapped tab key to escape, so it will work to swi...
07:35:17 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 8ea5a9: remapped tab key to escape, so it will work to swi...
07:38:09 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 459b56: more trailing whitespace elimination
07:38:21 <docl> ah, there's retro-commit :)
07:38:38 <crc> sorry, the server went down during the night; I just reset it
07:38:42 <docl> cool
07:39:34 <docl> I'm trying to create a mode for some directional commands, such that if you hit X it will remap the arrows to do different things.
07:41:47 <docl> my thought is set a boolean to true, then run a checker that revectors the commands until it is turned off.
07:44:47 <crc> I'm working on a better way of implementing commands (eliminating the huge condtional loop, using an idea from kc5tja's VIBE editor)
07:46:32 <docl> cool
07:54:51 <crc> http://gist.github.com/260533
07:57:10 <crc> should be enough to show the general idea
08:10:10 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] d120e4: backspace enhancements. pressing b or backspace fr...
08:10:10 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 8ea5a9: remapped tab key to escape, so it will work to swi...
08:15:10 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 8b39b3: cleanup
08:23:28 <docl> nice!
08:23:43 <crc> docl: I just pushed a more capable version to the repo
08:23:59 <crc> (with edit mode, backspace, showing cursor)
08:24:09 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] b5ae54: add core of rewritten REM editor
08:29:09 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 4be81f: add handlers for m, I, J, K, L, M
08:30:10 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] c16e55: add copyright header back
08:35:06 <docl> looking good!
08:35:10 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 6d7404: added space "s" and return "m" hotkeys. deleted "m...
08:37:45 <crc> it'll meet my needs :)
08:38:42 <docl> variable rem:l  ( line   ) <- a good format for app-specific variables?
08:39:07 <crc> I think so, if the variables are left visible
08:39:44 <docl> do the $$ words need to be visible?
08:40:01 <crc> yes
08:40:45 <docl> ah, it depends on find.
08:41:17 <crc> yup. I got the idea from VIBE: http://www.forthfreak.net/index.cgi?VIBE
08:42:18 <docl> yeah I remember VIBE.
08:45:17 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 2bc186: added "x" which drags a line or letter
08:45:17 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 1c513d: added :a jump to beginning of repeat from inside o...
08:45:17 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 19b722: obviated original s so space would not interfere w...
09:02:10 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 66c8e6: minor work on canvas drawing app
10:03:17 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 02c287: fixed bug with scrolling
10:10:18 <docl> last night's commits are just coming through? weird
10:10:42 * docl just extended rem2 with x-keys
10:13:02 <docl> I might implement a dragging feature as well, for dragging lines and characters (possibly words or strings too).
10:27:48 <crc> docl: oddly, use of 'e' causes a crash
10:30:39 <docl> hmm
10:30:44 <docl> erase?
10:31:02 <docl> oh, eval
10:31:05 <crc> eval
10:31:09 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] e2708f: remap tab to escape, factor ws, describe x-keys
10:33:09 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 02c287: fixed bug with scrolling
10:33:56 <docl> is this while the edit loop is running?
10:34:18 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] c6e9d6: eval with e
10:34:42 <crc> docl: yes
10:35:27 <docl> hmm
10:40:10 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] c6e9d6: eval with e
10:41:08 <docl> seems to work if you exit the edit loop first. maybe e could be customized to re-enter the loop after a keypress or something.
10:46:10 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 910aa1: fix bug leaving values on stack
10:50:24 <crc> docl: I'll work on it
10:52:33 * crc knows what is happening, but fixing it will take a bit more code
10:53:10 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 38f81b: moved e
10:54:14 <crc> docl: since eval remaps the 'key' to pass input from a block rather than the keyboard, the code is being sent to the "edit" word
10:57:09 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 38f81b: moved e
10:58:10 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 099a4e: move xkeys to a separate section
10:58:10 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 66c8e6: minor work on canvas drawing app
10:59:24 <crc> docl: fork http://gist.github.com/260300 and add a section on the xkeys
11:07:10 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 8b07f6: sync against docl
11:08:26 <docl> ok, think I got my repo straightened out
11:10:09 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 2defb9: Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/crcx/for...
11:24:59 <crc> thanks for adding the x-keys section
11:29:09 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 21ea98: fixed edit location
11:36:17 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] d39eee: x quits x-keys. swapping words don't auto exit.
11:37:02 * crc has to go out for a bit, will be back
11:37:09 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 21ea98: fixed edit location
12:16:10 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] aef97b: I and K now can be used to move lines.
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12:43:11 <docl> hi virl
12:44:54 <virl> hi
12:45:59 * docl has been working on the rem editor
12:49:09 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 5030a8: Split-line swapping x-keys. (uUoO for now)
12:59:10 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 1574d4: added head-keys and tail-keys. u and o from inside...
13:01:31 <docl> do you follow the git repo virl?
13:03:46 <virl> not really
13:05:49 <docl> you should :)
13:06:03 <docl> how is your own project going?
13:12:27 <virl> at the moment I'm not working on it.
13:19:43 <docl> what kind of stuff interests you at the moment?
13:20:23 * docl is interested in cryonics lately...
13:22:06 <docl> I find it strange that so few people are signed up for cryonics.
13:23:40 <docl> there's less than 200 people preserved right now. and cryonics has been around as a serious option for 40 years.
13:23:55 <docl> So most people are just letting nature take its course.
13:31:43 <crc> back
13:31:46 <docl> cool
13:32:01 <crc> ~15-18 inches of snow outside; made the walk difficult
13:33:06 <docl> yikes
13:33:09 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] aef97b: I and K now can be used to move lines.
13:34:22 <docl> is there anything about rem2 that would break the graphical port of ngaro?
13:34:31 <crc> no
13:34:56 <docl> hmm
13:35:09 <docl> does --with work with it?
13:35:21 <crc> no
13:35:29 <crc> not yet :(
13:35:36 <docl> is there any copy-paste with it?
13:35:54 <crc> but if you load it under a console vm, save, then load the image, it should work
13:36:17 <docl> ahh, good idea
13:36:52 <crc> I'll have --with supported in the graphical vm once I finish implementing the drawing stuff 
13:37:13 <crc> the biggest downside is the performance
13:37:13 <docl> ok
13:37:29 <crc> the redraws are slow :(
13:37:40 <docl> hmm, rem works, but the refresh delays keep you from typing
13:37:53 <crc> it also works in a browser
13:59:34 <docl> hmm, I bet I could make a tck/tk version of ngaro
13:59:47 <crc> I'd love more implementations of ngaro
14:13:34 * SimonRC likes the way that VIBE does bit-twiddling on execution tokens (in "nomapping"). :-)
14:13:42 <SimonRC> only in Forth, eh?
14:13:54 <SimonRC> well, it's not real bit-twiddling, but still
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