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03:55:23 <retro-commit> retro10: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-9a83ce0
03:55:23 <retro-commit> add "else", cleanups
03:55:23 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/4QfOrx
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04:01:12 <retro-commit> wheke: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-dfdd713
04:01:12 <retro-commit> cleanups to forth94, update image
04:01:12 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/4zvKZX
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05:27:46 <SimonRC> crc: How does that if work on values of true that aren't -1?
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12:56:23 <docl> new changes to rem in my forthlets repo
13:06:38 <docl> now backspace works with the dynamic cursor
13:10:58 <docl> trying to decide whether custom arrow words (left, right, up, down) are a waste of time.
13:12:27 <docl> I think they are. for one thing, it is just as easy to type "l ++" as "right".
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13:24:44 <crc> SimonRC: what other values are used for true?
13:26:46 <SimonRC> anything non-zero?
13:26:57 <SimonRC> the output of / or mod?
13:27:21 <SimonRC> I have used the quotient from /mod as the condition of an if before
13:27:56 <SimonRC> docl: how about up dn lt rt ?
13:28:35 <docl> maybe nonzero would be something like : nz ` 0 ` <> ` if ;
13:28:41 <docl> immediate
13:28:49 <docl> hmm, I could add those.
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13:30:03 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-bba098b
13:30:03 <retro-commit> add bounds checking, navigation between blocks
13:30:03 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/7xhG3n
13:30:04 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-56356ad
13:30:06 <retro-commit> dont replace old "v"
13:30:08 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/82V5jo
13:30:10 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-993429b
13:30:12 <retro-commit> tweak behaviour of "bounds"
13:30:14 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/6b0tau
13:30:16 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Luke Parrish 07master0 SHA1-76419e2
13:30:18 <retro-commit> New versions of p and n that do not invoke v an extra time, which eliminates a console flash within bounds. Also added bounds to p and n hotkeys.
13:30:21 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/7TDuWq
13:30:23 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Luke Parrish 07master0 SHA1-256406d
13:30:25 <retro-commit> Accept input dynamically and show cursor as you type it in.
13:30:27 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/6nC4o1
13:30:29 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Luke Parrish 07master0 SHA1-9d18266
13:30:31 <retro-commit> added refresh command and clean backspace.
13:30:33 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/4Kua31
13:30:35 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-0c08add
13:30:37 <retro-commit> match docls repo
13:30:39 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/6hcs0S
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13:31:02 <crc> SimonRC: makes sense
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13:32:49 <retro-commit> retro10: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-5132ef6
13:32:49 <retro-commit> "if" now executes conditional code if TOS != 0. Old behavior: execute was execute if TOS = -1.
13:32:49 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/6GAVTq
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13:34:40 <crc> docl: I don't think we need to call 'bounds' after 'p' and 'n' handlers
13:34:50 <crc> docl: since neither one alters the cursor positions
13:35:38 <docl> they need to check the block number though don't they?
13:35:45 <docl> at least p does
13:36:04 <docl> n doesn't, unless there is a max block size that bounds will check
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13:36:17 <retro-commit> wheke: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-5c16e42
13:36:17 <retro-commit> updated image; now makes forth94 IF standard compliant
13:36:17 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/5G79Zl
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13:36:19 <docl> we could have this as a seperate word though
13:36:26 <crc> docl: probably a good idea
13:36:35 <crc> though the core editor doesn't check...
13:36:44 <crc> a separate word would be best
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13:40:56 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-0f12e7a
13:40:56 <retro-commit> add range checking to blocks
13:40:56 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/4PC8By
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13:42:36 <retro-commit> retro10: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-ed6cbe5
13:42:36 <retro-commit> fix display of number of blocks
13:42:36 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/4r1mR9
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13:44:42 <docl> it's so cool to be able to see what you're about to change with git diff.
13:45:50 <crc> give me a moment to sync against your latest push
13:46:27 <docl> ok
13:54:42 <crc> docl: done
13:54:46 <crc> docl: pull against mine please
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13:54:49 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Luke Parrish 07master0 SHA1-39ca860
13:54:49 <retro-commit> moved match and bounds upward. bounds is used in backspace code so it does not go into negative column numbers. wr added, which uses bounds before writing to the addr. moved bounds references to end of hotkey checker.
13:54:49 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/5A37rl
13:54:51 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Luke Parrish 07master0 SHA1-5b07683
13:54:53 <retro-commit> added up dn lt rt
13:54:55 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/63cx9p
13:54:57 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-9aa38a6
13:54:59 <retro-commit> update to match docls repo
13:55:01 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/5VUZfP
13:55:03 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-8e1988b
13:55:05 <retro-commit> whitespace issues
13:55:07 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/8wDml6
13:55:09 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-e812f28
13:55:11 <retro-commit> minor tweaks
13:55:13 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/6UOwQF
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13:55:20 * crc has made some tweaks, and remove "enter"; since this is a modal editor, use of esc to exit the entry mode is better IMO
13:56:30 <crc> docl: one bug I found: if you reach the end of a line, the cursor moves to the start of the previous line rather than the next line
13:56:45 <crc> e,.g.:
13:56:51 <crc> 2 his is a test kkk                                               
13:56:51 <crc> 3                                                                t
14:01:55 <docl> yeah, I see that. line 43 doesn't take column into account.
14:01:57 <SimonRC> ISTR that one cah get odd behaviour in .NET if one mixes languages that only use 2 boolean values with ones that can manage to use any byte as a boolean value
14:02:22 <SimonRC> e.g. if the C# compiler assumes that true is always 1
14:02:45 <crc> c#'s interpretation doesn't affect retro :)
14:03:07 <SimonRC> but you don't want to imitate their mistakes if you can avoid it
14:03:26 <crc> true 
14:03:41 * crc did check in a change so that any non-zero is now considered true
14:06:56 <crc> docl: I think I fixed it
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14:06:59 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-b5d2add
14:06:59 <retro-commit> fix bug in cursor movement
14:06:59 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/5bvRMl
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14:24:13 <docl> yeah I think that worked
14:24:20 <docl> there's another bug that I just fixed
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14:25:32 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Luke Parrish 07master0 SHA1-9a190a9
14:25:32 <retro-commit> fix bug with leaving values on stack
14:25:32 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/6Y3f0Y
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14:28:54 <SimonRC> why does it keep joining and leaving
14:29:10 <SimonRC> surely staying on all the time would be less spammy
14:30:29 <crc> SimonRC: I don't know; it's provided by github
14:30:38 * crc should see if he can improve this a bit...
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14:37:51 <docl> should I alias esc to do the same as q, so you could use it to enter or exit the editor?
14:37:58 <crc> yes
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14:41:12 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] b5d2ad: fix bug in cursor movement
14:41:47 <crc> SimonRC: I wrote up a quick bot that'll stay connected rather than come/go
14:47:12 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 89fb61: alias escape to q
15:05:12 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] f25993: use repeat/again rather than recursion in q
15:34:12 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] f25993: use repeat/again rather than recursion in q
15:34:43 <SimonRC> you don't have TCO?
15:35:17 <crc> TCO is in the optimizer library
15:35:19 <docl> I remember we used to
15:35:28 <docl> ahh
15:35:45 * SimonRC likes the way ColorForth has TCO as standard
15:36:33 <SimonRC> Chuck discovered he liked using TCO in preference to loops; there is no general looping construct in CF
15:36:51 <SimonRC> wierd how he has something in common with FP folks
15:37:01 <crc> the TCO doesn't work properly if there's no code following a "then"
15:37:39 <SimonRC> you mean if then is followed by ; ?
15:37:47 <crc> yes
15:38:31 <crc> I'll fix that soon
15:46:12 <retro-commit> [crcx/wheke] 5c16e4: updated image; now makes forth94 IF standard compl...
15:46:54 <crc> I added a simple fix for the TCO bug
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16:13:58 <crc> hi virl 
16:15:13 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] b75d50: top bot beg end
16:16:43 <docl> I wonder why it takes so long between showing commits?
16:17:28 <crc> the bot checks for commits once per minute; I'm not sure how quickly github sends the email to it
16:17:53 <docl> is there a way to submit buggy code to a seperate branch for review?
16:18:33 <crc> I've not worked with branches in a single repo. I fork a separate copy of the main repo for potentially buggy stuff.
16:23:12 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] b75d50: top bot beg end
16:38:41 <docl> hmm
16:42:25 <virl> hi crc
16:49:04 <crc> virl: what's new?
16:49:13 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 6a7c71: ENTER goes to next line now
16:49:46 <virl> my forth is still in hibernation mode and I'm still writing on a forth demo
16:51:58 <crc> docl: http://gist.github.com/260300 - the (early) start on a users guide for REM
16:53:26 <docl> looks good
16:54:15 <docl> I'm trying to code an arrow-command multiplier, such that if you type a number and then an arrow key it goes in that direction that many spaces.
16:54:33 <crc> arrow keys are not portable
16:54:40 <docl> I mean ijkl
16:54:44 <crc> ok :)
16:55:04 <docl> :)
16:57:40 * crc missed the capitalized commands; added them to gist
17:01:31 <docl> there we go, got it working
17:02:06 <SimonRC> not hjkl?
17:02:12 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] ac8494: movement repetition. moves in a given direction wh...
17:03:12 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] ac8494: movement repetition. moves in a given direction wh...
17:04:03 <docl> hjkl strains the fingers a heck of a lot more than ijkl
17:04:11 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 21f7a6: factored arr (direction commands) from rep
17:05:13 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 21f7a6: factored arr (direction commands) from rep
17:07:12 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 08fa61: placed arr in main hotkey loop
17:08:12 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 210310: kill trailing whitespace
17:11:12 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 95d8d1: indention; bound checks in rep
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17:11:49 <crc> docl: I pushed a patch to add bounds checking with the rep code
17:12:22 <docl> good, I noticed it needs that
17:13:27 <retro-commit> [docl/forthlets] 6a7c71: ENTER goes to next line now
17:17:15 <crc> docl: I updated the gist again. it's nicely formatted now
17:21:02 <docl> be back later
17:21:13 <crc> ok
17:22:27 <retro-commit> [crcx/forthlets] 08fa61: placed arr in main hotkey loop
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20:02:12 <docl> am thinking the tab key is easier to hit on my keyboard than escape.
20:30:32 <crc> tab works too
20:45:59 <docl> added some backspace features.
21:16:31 <docl> oops, s is taken
22:35:02 <docl> added something to drag lines up and down, also can drag letters right and left.
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