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00:03:18 <sixforty> I'll be fine as soon as I learn to whom I surrender.
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13:29:02 <Mat2> hi !
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17:16:50 <docl> howdy
17:25:49 <zbrown> hi docl 
17:25:55 <docl> hi zbrown
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18:18:18 <docl> hi Raystm2 
18:18:40 <Raystm2> HEY! hi docl, how the ____ are  you?
18:19:00 <docl> pretty good
18:19:03 <Raystm2> Hi Charles too. :-)
18:19:10 <Raystm2> Excellent. 
18:19:20 <Raystm2> What are you up to these days?
18:19:40 <docl> I got a new job, tech support for a dental practice software company in Salem, OR
18:20:08 <Raystm2> No kidding? How do you like OR?
18:20:21 * Raystm2 notes that Chuck Moore would use XOR. 
18:20:32 <docl> well it is kind of rainy this time of year :P
18:20:54 <Raystm2> Such is the northwester Pacific Rain Forest. 
18:21:05 <docl> yep
18:21:21 <Raystm2> Did you move very far?
18:21:28 <docl> about 450 miles
18:21:48 <Raystm2> Cool. 
18:22:01 <Raystm2> We moved too. Now in Denver from Fort Worth. 
18:22:26 <docl> It's a bit of a drive to see my folks... I married an idaho girl too, so it's like we have to visit every weekend or three.
18:22:39 <Raystm2> With exception of Charles, I believe, every one I know has moved in the last 5 years.
18:22:53 <Raystm2> CONGRATS!
18:23:07 <docl> :)
18:23:37 <docl> So you're in Denver, eh? My brother lived in Fort Collins until recently.
18:24:37 <docl> how do you like the new Retro? I've been playing around with the decompiler.
18:25:43 <docl> Also, github rocks...
18:27:23 <Raystm2> I like it enough to want to do the Windows hosted version. I have a substructure up and running in BOA constructor, but I have a long way to go to integration. I've been instead focusing on the out put of my colorForth tutorial movies, just now started uploading to http://YouTube.com/Raystm2
18:36:41 <docl> http://gist.github.com/246009
18:36:57 <docl> I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong...
18:38:46 <Raystm2> what's it doing?
18:39:04 <docl> you know how vectors work?
18:39:11 <Raystm2> besides looking for key 27 to re assign, I mean.
18:39:29 <docl> there's 2 nop codes at the beginning of each word, e.g. key
18:39:40 <Raystm2> right.
18:39:43 <docl> you can use these to insert a jump to another word, such as an anonymous word
18:39:49 <Raystm2> sure.
18:40:40 <docl> so I made a macro that goes to the address of key and increments by two. now it is essentially a clone of key that does not get vectored when key gets vectored.
18:41:06 <Raystm2> Non-vectored key. still following.
18:42:07 <docl> so if I get key 27 (escape) it looks for another key. I then assigned that to be what key does as a vector
18:42:32 <Raystm2> I see. Your own escape sequence.
18:42:35 <docl> right
18:43:22 <docl> so if I press escape, that should be a signal for it to take the next key I push and output it as a number
18:44:33 <Raystm2> So, to follow the definition of ::...
18:44:56 <Raystm2> :: puts here on the stack and then starts the compiler.
18:45:14 <docl> right
18:45:20 <Raystm2> nv-key executes...
18:45:38 <Raystm2> duplicate here, and test with 27 for escape key.
18:46:04 <Raystm2> oh wait, compile here here and THEN test 27 with the previous stack.
18:47:07 <docl> "take here, start compiler mode, then compile a jump to key+2
18:47:15 <Raystm2> right. 
18:47:23 <Raystm2> okay. :-) sorry. hehe
18:47:42 <docl> the here eventually becomes the jump to key.
18:48:03 <docl> or rather, what key jumps to
18:48:55 <Raystm2> key now jumps to the begining of your nv-key definition. Am I wrong?
18:49:21 <docl> nope, that's right
18:49:24 <Raystm2> okay cool.
18:49:39 <docl> wait, lemme think
18:50:14 <docl> it jumps to the beginning of the anonymous stuff
18:50:15 <Raystm2> no, I shall stop you from thinking with my mind... ( sixties sifi music looms in the background) :-)
18:50:31 <docl> formerly known as "here" :P
18:50:42 <Raystm2> ya. nv-key being the first thing it jumps too?
18:50:48 <Raystm2> to no too
18:53:04 <Raystm2> bracket-tic.. thats compiled to execute on the usage of nv-key...
18:53:20 <Raystm2> getting the address of something...
18:53:30 <Raystm2> most likely a word label.
18:53:44 <docl> actually nv-key is a macro (immediate) so it executes as soon as it is encountered by the compiler
18:53:58 <Raystm2> OH! of course.
18:54:02 <Raystm2> ty for clarity.
18:54:06 <docl> which means the output of that word is what it jumps to
18:54:08 <docl>  :)
18:54:15 <Raystm2> right. right.
18:54:23 <Raystm2> shame on me.
18:54:48 <docl> I used to use a word, but then I figured a macro would be more efficient than adding 2 to the xt of key every time I call it
18:54:56 <Raystm2> so right, 2+key address = nv-key
18:55:03 <docl> yeah
18:55:13 <Raystm2> it will never = 27 
18:55:26 <Raystm2> over
18:55:27 <Raystm2> ?
18:56:42 <docl> this word actually seems to work okay the first time I run it...
18:57:18 <Raystm2> wait, maybe because you are re defineing key as key +2 each usage?
18:57:37 <Raystm2> is key I mean
18:58:15 <docl> http://gist.github.com/246009
19:01:03 <docl> that 2 is actually chopped off of 32...
19:01:31 <docl> I wonder if the tib pointer is getting offset or something
19:02:00 <Raystm2> Charles will have the answer. :-)
19:02:08 <docl> yeah
19:02:19 <Raystm2> It will be obvious. lol :-)
19:02:24 <docl> it always is :)
19:03:11 <Raystm2> It's taking me just a bit to shift out of colorForth mode here.
19:04:03 <Raystm2> the bracket tic gets the key address, add 2, compile the address in the dictionary... immediate usage.
19:04:15 <docl> right
19:04:29 <docl> forgot to explain that part
19:04:33 <Raystm2> 32 enterKey and key accepts new usage.
19:04:52 <Raystm2> nv-key is the address of key+2 
19:05:02 <Raystm2> not fetched it is still the address?
19:05:32 <Raystm2> or is it the 32?
19:06:26 <Raystm2> if statements are a tad backwards and work differently in colorForth, but not a problem here.
19:06:49 <docl> not sure I follow you, sorry
19:06:50 <Raystm2> the intention is to skip 27.
19:07:03 <Raystm2> oh, sorry, the equivelent if in colorForth...
19:07:08 <docl> not just skip 27, but have a custom behavior for the following key
19:07:18 <docl> such as .
19:08:03 <docl> hmm
19:08:11 <Raystm2> yes, sorry, skip 27 and do other things with other keys.
19:08:25 <Raystm2> in this case get the address and print the address.
19:08:51 <Raystm2> I keep thinking nv-key generates an address and not a specific key code. Am I incorrect here as well?
19:09:08 <docl> that's correct I think
19:09:37 <docl> nv-key generates an address that is the xt for key, minus the 2 extra bytes for vectoring
19:09:47 <Raystm2> I see.
19:10:01 <docl> (then it compiles it into the current word)
19:10:04 <Raystm2> if the vector is nop then is that necessary?
19:10:36 <Raystm2> re-vectoring is the point, I see.
19:10:57 <docl> if it is not vectored the nop does nothing... but when I vector it I want my word doing the same thing it otherwise would
19:12:04 <Raystm2> got you.
19:12:12 <Raystm2> understood.
19:14:32 <Raystm2> so if nv-key's first execute discloses 27 ( the escape) the second execution of nv-key is supposed to provide the key scan code for dot to print to screen.
19:14:48 <docl> right
19:14:57 <Raystm2> if it is an address then the value needs to be fetched?
19:16:01 <Raystm2> nv-key @ dup 27 =if nv-key @ . ;then ;  ??
19:16:27 <docl> no, nv-key automatically compiles the key-addr in as a jump
19:16:39 <docl> so its like a word there
19:16:46 <Raystm2> ... as a jump to the key value?
19:17:06 <docl> to the xt of the key word (+2)
19:17:18 <Raystm2> Xt is an address?
19:17:26 <Raystm2> you want to print the address?
19:17:46 <docl> no, I want it to jump to the address
19:17:52 <Raystm2> right. 
19:17:55 <Raystm2> ok.
19:17:58 <Raystm2> sorry. 
19:18:01 <Raystm2> slow here.
19:18:04 <docl> which it does... I have read the ngaro codes for it :)
19:18:09 <Raystm2> :-)
19:18:45 <docl> : :: here ] ;
19:18:45 <docl> : nv-key ['] key 2 + compile ; immediate  ( unvectored key )
19:18:45 <docl> 0 0 0 0
19:18:55 <docl> oops
19:19:01 <docl> http://gist.github.com/246009
19:19:17 <docl> I hate it when there are multiple clipboards and they don't work well together
19:19:43 <Raystm2> :)
19:19:45 <docl> I think I figured out the problem, sort of
19:19:52 <Raystm2> good man!
19:20:00 <Raystm2> what did you find?
19:21:30 <docl> well maybe I don't understand it... thought I almost had it
19:22:03 <crc> docl: what are you trying to do?
19:22:05 <Raystm2> cool. cool.
19:22:16 <Raystm2> Howdy crc. :)
19:22:19 <docl> I'm butchering key 
19:22:51 <docl> escape sequences
19:23:02 <crc> example?
19:25:05 <docl> ESC-. executes dot
19:25:37 <docl> for now I am just having dot the ascii code
19:26:25 <docl> the bug I was having was making it echo 2 to the output instead of 32 when I type a space
19:26:36 <docl> the first time it would work, the second time it would not
19:30:11 <docl> https://gist.github.com/246009/d6740ef2302a393f7c5aaa376daacf01cc7f7682
19:30:26 <docl> https://gist.github.com/246009/7d8a80d306689385d75a53187fa9d3b185da7aa8
19:31:06 <crc> rather than a specific nv-key, try something more generic:
19:31:08 <crc> : default: ' drop which @ d->xt @ 2 + compile ; immediate
19:31:12 <crc> then:
19:31:14 <crc> default: key
19:31:20 <crc> in the new key definition
19:32:33 <docl> OH so THAT's how you get the dictionary entry for something
19:32:48 <crc> d->xt d->class d->name
19:32:52 <crc> are dictionary accessors
19:33:06 <crc> which is a metavariable that holds the address of the most recently found word
19:33:38 <crc> : default: ' 2 + compile ; immediate
19:33:44 <crc> would probably also work
19:34:11 <docl> cool
19:34:54 <crc> so:
19:34:55 <crc> :: default: key dup 27 =if drop default: key dup . then ; is key
19:35:15 <docl> I'd been wondering how to get the dictionary entry from a parsed word. ' word gives me the xt. ' word drop which @ would give me the dictionary header.
19:35:24 <crc> yes
19:45:18 <crc> http://gist.github.com/246027
19:47:34 <crc> Ray: I did move about 1.5 years ago, but only 3 miles away from my old location.
19:47:59 <Raystm2> Lol.
19:48:04 <Raystm2> So there ya go.
19:48:11 <Raystm2> Everyone.
19:49:09 <docl> crc: nice!
19:49:16 <Raystm2> Speaking of whick... neighbers moving all night so far.
19:49:20 <Raystm2> -k+h
19:49:27 <Raystm2> -e+0
19:50:03 <Raystm2> docl, okay, maybe not so obvious.
19:50:37 <Raystm2> I suppose it would be had I known the language in question. Shows how behind I am.
19:50:40 <crc> docl: if the commentary is helpful, I may post more gists with commented code in the future
19:52:05 <Raystm2> crc how is the Twitter-e-mail app comming?
19:52:15 <crc> Raystm2: it's working quite well
19:52:19 <Raystm2> Neat.
19:52:33 <Raystm2> I think I have unlimited texting now...
19:52:34 <crc> I have 35 users, and have mailed out over 60,000 tweets to the users 
19:52:39 <Raystm2> on my phone i mean.
19:52:44 <Raystm2> lol WoW
19:52:48 <crc> unlimited = good :)
19:53:49 <crc> Raystm2: everything is pretty much automated now. I get server logs every hour with current counts, log summaries, etc so I can quickly address problems that may arise
19:54:02 * Raystm2 is addicted to youTube insight information about viewership usages. 
19:54:09 <Raystm2> sweet
19:55:05 <Raystm2> That's neat.
19:55:54 * Raystm2 is awaiting Chuck's answer in regards picture and colorforth.com text usage.
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20:07:53 <retro-commit> retro10: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-f383210
20:07:53 <retro-commit> add a general purpose "eval" word; recode editor "e" to use it
20:07:53 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/81iAdQ
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20:09:34 <crc> the new "eval" word takes an address and a count
20:11:22 <docl> nice!
20:12:05 <Raystm2> sweet.
20:15:43 <Raystm2> I talk to Roger now and again and got permission to discuss Glypher in the movies, which means discussing RetroForth, ultimately. I have to write Charles and get permission, too. :-)
20:15:54 <crc> permission granted
20:16:00 <Raystm2> Gratzi!
20:30:24 <crc> anything else I can help with tonight?
20:31:15 <docl> : r ['] pop compile ['] dup compile ['] push compile ;  immediate
20:31:15 <docl> : t 4 for r . next ;
20:31:37 <docl> ok t 44 44 44 44 
20:31:57 <docl> what's causing it to return 44?
20:33:10 <docl> wait, it's 0 0 0 0 in a clean retro
20:35:07 <crc> docl: use ` here
20:35:07 <crc> : r ` pop ` dup ` push ;  immediate
20:36:08 <docl> cool
20:36:11 <crc> reason: pop and push are macros; they inline code when called
20:36:22 <docl> oooh
20:36:37 <crc> ` is class-aware, so will lay down calls or compiles without bothering you with the low-level details
20:36:55 <docl> nice
20:41:42 <crc> (just don't tell i440r in #forth about ` - he hates words like this)
20:42:00 <Raystm2> hehe
20:42:12 <docl> lol
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20:49:46 <retro-commit> retro10: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-416eed9
20:49:46 <retro-commit> allow use of ` on numbers
20:49:46 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/8RIIQm
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20:57:55 <crc> http://gist.github.com/246074 - some notes on the use of ` 
20:59:13 <docl> cool
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21:33:31 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-8e81e60
21:33:31 <retro-commit> fix draw forthlet to work with current image
21:33:31 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/7J2dwm
21:33:32 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-bb9e25a
21:33:34 <retro-commit> update to latest image
21:33:36 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/6juulR
21:33:38 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-9f3fe5b
21:33:40 <retro-commit> bugfixes to rosetta_code samples
21:33:42 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/6jt6MM
21:33:44 <retro-commit> forthlets: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-30c4fe2
21:33:46 <retro-commit> update drawing app to latest image
21:33:48 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/8u2nK2
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21:35:19 * crc will be going to bed in a few minutes. it's 20min till 1:00 and I do have to work in the morning :(
21:36:02 <Raystm2> Gosh it is late. 
21:36:07 <Raystm2> Gn crc. :)
21:36:54 <crc> if anyone has more questions, post them and I'll try to answer them all tomorrow
21:37:03 <docl> ok
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21:41:30 <retro-commit> wheke: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-613ceea
21:41:30 <retro-commit> does> now part of standard image
21:41:30 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/7Gusul
21:41:31 <retro-commit> wheke: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-6b1c9b9
21:41:33 <retro-commit> compile-only now part of standard image
21:41:35 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/4OWSdd
21:41:37 <retro-commit> wheke: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-ba8a293
21:41:39 <retro-commit> work on moving to current wordset for macros and compile-only words
21:41:41 <retro-commit> http://bit.ly/6MG5av
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21:41:58 <crc> and that wraps up my work for tonight; goodnight everyone
21:42:17 <docl> goodnight :)
21:43:22 <Raystm2> :)
21:43:23 <Raystm2> gn
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