00:00:00 --- log: started retro/09.09.15 00:02:12 --- join: Raystm2 (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #retro 00:31:57 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:59:46 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@210.188.173.245) joined #retro 03:48:02 --- quit: crc (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:50:49 --- join: crc (n=charlesc@c-68-80-139-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #retro 04:08:58 --- join: crc_ (n=charlesc@c-68-80-139-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #retro 04:12:52 --- join: Raystm2_ (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #retro 04:12:52 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Raystm2_ 04:30:33 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:30:59 --- join: Raystm2 (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #retro 04:32:39 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:35:55 --- quit: crc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:08:59 --- quit: crc_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:37:01 --- quit: nighty^ (Remote closed the connection) 06:34:00 --- quit: virl ("Verlassend") 06:49:09 --- join: crc (n=charlesc@c-68-80-139-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #retro 11:32:03 --- join: Raystm2_ (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #retro 11:32:03 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Raystm2_ 11:49:21 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:49:31 --- join: Raystm2 (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #retro 11:56:00 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:42:40 --- join: Sik (n=Sik@186.124.194.129) joined #retro 12:42:43 ... 12:42:47 Wrong server >_< 12:42:49 --- part: Sik left #retro 14:22:43 --- nick: Raystm2 -> Raystm2_ 14:22:47 --- nick: Raystm2_ -> Raystm2 14:23:14 --- nick: Raystm2 -> Rastm2 14:23:19 --- nick: Rastm2 -> Raystm2 14:35:15 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 15:31:43 --- join: virl (n=virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #retro 15:33:00 virl! is that you? 15:33:10 yes it's me. 15:33:17 lol, how are you? :) 15:33:33 Been a long time. 15:35:25 I'm ok. but I feel a bit uncomfortable, because I think about if I should leave my parents home and finally start to work to finance my study. 15:35:51 and eventually my plan to get a flat finally. 15:35:57 I see. 15:36:05 Good for a man to have his own place. :) 15:36:57 yes indeed. especially when his former place is just 3x5 meters big. 15:37:08 :) 15:37:31 I left home at seventeen and I've only been back to visit 3 times in over 25 years. 15:37:44 also I hate it, that my father is a dick. 15:38:10 for me, it's my stepmom. but I understand. 15:38:14 well, I'm now 23. that's for sure late. 15:39:18 especially for me, who get's easily stressed. so my dad + university + private projects = ARGH! 15:39:41 I'm a parent now, of a 24 yo, 20 yo, and 18 yo. the only one home is the 18 yo girl. I would let them live with me forever, if I didn't think it would be good for them to get out on there own. They are not pushed out here, and leave on there own. 15:40:15 Stress! 15:40:21 Gotta get rid of it. 15:40:26 bad for health. 15:40:30 I started to meditate to get somehow control over my life back. the last semester(my second semester) was really depressing and mind fucking. 15:40:48 and ususally all in the mind. self created and self felf but very very real. 15:40:57 Thats great! 15:41:28 I mean the meditate is great, sorry to read about the depression. 15:42:13 hugh load? 15:42:23 are you taking too many hours at once? 15:42:40 the last semester it felt like that. 15:43:10 I was always not in time. 15:43:14 How is this semester starting out. 15:43:15 I see. 15:43:36 this semester will start out, we start in october. 15:44:24 Oh that's right. It takes American's longer to get a worse education the Europeans. lol :) 15:44:34 the+n 15:45:00 AND costs more, or so I'm told. 15:45:32 It's a self correcting problem. Soon universities in US will not be so crowded, now that no one can afford to go. 15:45:38 so the american education costs more, do I undersand you right? 15:46:01 so yes, I did understand it right :-) 15:46:14 I assume, because i've heard so much about free European ed. 15:46:24 I don't really know for sure. 15:47:46 We can turn the US universities into dorms for the homeless, which, funny enough, the number of homeless, I'm predicting, will rise with the lowering of the level of students, so a wash. lol 15:48:55 converting students into homeless people :-) 15:49:25 I just saw a great lecture about how the US economy crash will hurt US citizens much worse then Soviet crash because food won't move in US unless peole get paid. In Soviet Union, food moves and nobody gets paid is an every day occurance. 15:50:10 Right, lol, no one has to MOVE per se. lol 15:50:29 Just stay in your dorm, your statis changes only from student to homeless. 15:51:52 Lol Soviet Union now called "FORMER Soviet Union.". IN US this is abrieviated for "Former US" as FU. 15:53:28 indeed funny. 15:53:54 virl have you seen my current colorForth screen catpure tests? please check out and tell me if they work for you... http://colorforth.info/new_site/winktests/firsttest.htm and http://colorforth.info/new_site/winktests/test2cf.htm 15:54:15 They are still in testing phase. need to get screen rates correct. 15:55:43 LOL, US just went to an all digital TV broadcast. This renders all emergency battery operated ANALOG tv's as useless during and emergency. 15:55:55 and-d 15:56:30 yes they work for me, it's cool that I see your chuchbot code working :-) 15:57:01 ty very much. Chuckbot is in phase 2. meaning there is a better appliaction of the code used in chuckbot 1. 15:57:13 application even 15:58:17 virl I almost forgot, I'm also in the middle of a draft of LISP in colorForth. 15:58:44 I didn't work on my gameforth for quiet some time. I still need to get back into it. 15:59:06 I want to make it metacompile itself for ARM and then I'm happy. 15:59:07 http://colorforth.info/new_site/colisphorth.html 15:59:23 cool about arm. 15:59:49 cool. now that I touched a bit lisp, you come with that. :-) 16:00:36 It's not totally lisp compliant. BUT it's well on it's way. 16:01:20 then another lisp family... 16:01:56 I've only got "car, cdr, multiple caar, cdar, like words, nilpointer, nil, length," some others, you can see at page. BUT there is several card games that are already useable with just what I have. 16:04:37 --- quit: Raystm2 (Excess Flood) 16:04:39 --- join: Raystm2 (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #retro 16:05:48 card games? 16:06:38 at the bottom of the page I've defined several card games. BlackJack aka 21, some poker games that are 5 or 7 card hands. 16:07:41 now I see it. :-) 16:08:11 --- quit: Raystm2 (Excess Flood) 16:08:14 --- join: Raystm2 (i=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #retro 16:15:55 bah. I would like to rebuild one of those nice mechanical calculators called curta. 16:16:13 youtube has some videos about them. 16:18:24 cool, I was just looking at crc's new colorRetro code at : 16:18:34 http://github.com/crcx/colors/blob/master/colors.retro 16:32:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYsOi6L_Pw4 16:36:31 Oh hey thanks for link. 16:37:56 * Raystm2 watching CURTA calculator. NEAT! 16:39:32 have you got one of these? 16:39:44 OH you said rebuild 16:41:01 how would you treat something which is say 50 years old? 16:42:13 I could buy one. but on one hand it would cost 700 or more dollars and I would be always in care mode. 16:42:45 an open design would be neat. 16:44:55 that thing is SWEET. 16:46:07 I wonder how you could build something like this in say your basement. 16:47:32 or at a place with some basic machinery. 16:49:08 The core of that thing has to be pretty special. 16:52:52 yes, that is the difficult point. 16:58:07 It appears to be a stack of disks with tabs that reach out to the numbers about the core. 16:59:12 I suppose, depending on how low one of the outer numbers are, that outer number hits a "cog" in the core stack and keeps so many of the core stack from turning during crank time. 17:01:01 it works a bit different. 17:02:43 ah rigth. just watching it again. 17:03:38 the stack has the actual numbers on it as some kind of pins, each number is connected to a cog, which sits on an axis, which rotates depending on the height. 17:04:03 I see. ty 17:04:52 the axis rotates say 8 times, if the cog, which is connected to the axis is on the level of 8. 17:05:55 What is impressive, is, if it works like you say, then there are several rotations somewhere in the drum even when only turning the handle once. 17:06:26 subtraction works like that too, the cog gets only a bit highered, which results in a level of the modulo for the according number. 17:07:17 bah. that was sloppily expressed. 17:07:27 I'm sorry. 17:08:10 what it does is basically making the same as in binary subtraction. 17:08:18 just with 10 as it's base. 17:08:30 so doing a 10s complement. 17:09:56 so one cog rised runs along a line which is the 10s complement of the "rised" number. 17:11:14 2 "rised" -> 8, 8 "rised" -> 2, 1 "rised" -> 9 and so on. 17:11:26 that's how it does subtraction. 17:11:39 neat! 17:12:37 I hope you understand it somehow, I'm so bad in explaining things for which I didn't got terms yet. 17:12:44 get 17:13:24 I'm still curious how the carry works. 17:13:48 or the resetting mechanismen. 17:17:14 Ring grabs all tabs ( unless already 0 ) and drags them all to zero, I suppoe. Pulling the handle up adds one cog to the add so that things run backwards. SO, if it words as you say then add is just one less cog from subtract. 17:17:53 words=works 18:01:58 --- join: nighty^ (n=nighty@210.188.173.245) joined #retro 19:25:22 getting late :( 20:17:48 --- topic: set to 'Retro Forth | http://retroforth.org | Stable Release 10.2' by crc 20:17:54 goodnight 21:41:58 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=rastm2@c-24-8-232-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #retro 21:41:58 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Raystm2_ 23:39:24 --- quit: Raystm2_ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 23:39:43 --- join: Raystm2_ (i=rastm2@24.8.232.212) joined #retro 23:39:46 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Raystm2_ 23:40:21 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Client Quit) 23:56:41 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/09.09.15