00:00:00 --- log: started retro/09.05.24 05:12:29 --- join: virl (n=virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #retro 05:26:54 --- join: mib_etohk1 (i=62d177fa@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-43c32ef253aa720d) joined #retro 05:27:00 --- quit: mib_etohk1 (Client Quit) 06:29:35 --- join: luptenschteiner (n=User@unaffiliated/probonono) joined #retro 06:42:20 --- quit: probonono (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:29:27 --- join: GitHub197 (n=GitHub19@github.com) joined #retro 07:29:27 retro10: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-29eac46 07:29:27 fix for backspace bug (tested on osx, safari + ff) 07:29:27 http://bit.ly/rXmO9 07:29:28 retro10: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-bc19427 07:29:30 removed IE support; too much trouble to keep in sync at this point 07:29:32 http://bit.ly/2rGBF 07:29:34 --- part: GitHub197 left #retro 07:33:10 --- join: crc (n=charlesc@c-68-80-139-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #retro 07:58:52 --- join: GitHub95 (n=GitHub95@129.177.74.65.static.xc88.engineyard.com) joined #retro 07:58:52 retro10: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-92573c2 07:58:52 added some notes on the jsvm extensions 07:58:52 http://bit.ly/plwSX 07:58:53 --- part: GitHub95 left #retro 08:19:18 --- join: sixforty (n=sixforty@68-25-153-219.pools.spcsdns.net) joined #retro 08:34:48 Grabbed snapshot last night - wouldn't compile - gcc, NetBSD 5 i386 08:35:26 what was the error message? 08:35:31 (info only, not a request for help - haven't time to fix & use it anyway) 08:35:41 I'll try it again in a sec and let you know 08:35:52 ok 08:36:15 * crc will try to get a netbsd 5 install up sometime soon... 08:36:57 I've been without internet access for a while; today I've been lucky enough to pickup from a nearby wifi, but it seldom works this long :( 08:37:08 heh. dunno if it's worth the effort. most nbsders will want to compile from source anyway 08:37:24 I expect most people to compile from source 08:37:34 damn. not you, too 08:38:04 well, it's hard to ensure that a single binary works on all the various linux distros 08:38:51 I was referring to your lack of connection. Seems to be a contagion. 08:38:55 (and once you provide binaries, everyone wants you to support their package system too) 08:39:15 I have net access at work, but don't get much time there to do anything other than work 08:39:30 right. didn't see binaries on page, and thought it was a good decision 08:40:06 make: don't know howto make %.o:. Stop 08:40:11 and I can get wifi at starbucks, or barnes & noble (both nearby), but I need to get a new power cord for the laptop before that becomes practical 08:40:15 hmm, try gmake 08:40:45 same 08:41:00 stopped in (blah)/vm/console 08:41:17 I'll get that fixed this week 08:41:22 too many 'make' varients :( 08:41:34 10 stable compiles fine, both console and fb 08:41:53 10 stable used a simpler, but slower, Makefile 08:44:33 what's a good way to report retro problems? ('rtfm' ok here :P) 08:45:05 the easy way is to build it manually: 08:45:06 cd vm/console; gcc -lncurses -Wall -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer devices.c disassemble.c endian.c loader.c ngaro.c vm.c initial_image.c -o retro 08:45:16 reporting problems: send them to crc@retroforth.org 08:45:23 thx 08:45:31 I have a portable device that allows me to keep up with email 08:45:44 as for manual compile, I haven't cut-and-paste up yet 08:47:08 np 08:52:06 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #retro 08:53:22 interesting - I don't have ncurses 08:53:57 it will also build with curses or pdcurses 08:57:25 03 O3 08:57:25 ah. had to see it in the same font 08:58:51 --- join: GitHub192 (n=GitHub19@129.177.74.65.static.xc88.engineyard.com) joined #retro 08:58:51 retro10: 3Charles Childers 07master0 SHA1-cd4d502 08:58:51 added ioctl-based devices layer for those who can't use curses, ncurses, or pdcurses 08:58:51 http://bit.ly/15dAUu 08:58:52 --- part: GitHub192 left #retro 09:00:44 cd vm/console; gcc -Wall -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer devices_ioctl.c disassemble.c endian.c loader.c ngaro.c vm.c initial_image.c -o retro 09:01:06 if you grab the snapshot with that last update added 09:01:36 ok, compiles with curses. ioctl good idea, tho 09:01:49 your terminal/terminal emulator will need to support VT100/ANSI escape codes, but that should work for most BSD or Linux systems 09:02:02 options = good :) 09:02:45 ok, so if it does ansi, you think it'll do pcc under dos w/ansi.sys? 09:03:03 oops, no. pcc is 16-bit 09:03:16 needs 32-bit 09:03:44 I'll haveta find a 32-bit compiler other than dj and try it sometime 09:07:38 you'll need plenty of ram to run it under dos with the default configuration 09:07:53 what's "plenty"? 09:08:04 (it currently requires around 20mb for the image, plus the size of the executable and any libraries used) 09:11:56 that's rather large for a minimalist forth image - mostly buffers for blocks? 09:12:43 the vm currently keeps the full image in memory, most of that is unused, and a good chunk is set aside for blocks 09:13:31 thus your mention of default config. got it. 09:19:54 yup. tweak the image to reduce the memory it expects, and the vm.h to reduce the memory the vm provides 09:23:16 there's a util to do ersatz swap in dos; comes from the 640K + 380K expanded days 09:23:46 I haven't used dos in years 09:24:10 better to use that if necessary (16M smallest ram expected) and stay synced with other systems 09:24:25 neither have I, except very little playing 09:25:03 I figure that with even only 8M in ram, there won't be much swap in most cases 09:25:41 s/swap/swapping 09:27:54 Is there a pay-to-play wifi connection nearby with good signal? 09:29:12 there are two starbucks within 2 miles of here 09:29:52 the downside is that the only wifi device I currently have is an ipod touch, and dev work on that is a pain 09:30:20 (this desktop has wifi, but I'm not carrying it 1-2 miles each way) 09:36:16 --- quit: crc (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:45:08 --- join: crc (n=charlesc@c-68-80-139-0.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #retro 15:49:22 wb 16:01:28 --- quit: crc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:59:28 --- quit: sixforty ("ircII+tkirc2") 23:23:16 --- quit: nighty__ (Excess Flood) 23:23:48 --- join: nighty__ (n=nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #retro 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/09.05.24