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07:58:49 --- topic: set to 'Retro: A Minimalistic Forth | Visit http://retroforth.org for news and releases | Latest Release: September 21' by crc
07:59:13 <crc> New release, now supporting loading code from the command line, is out
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08:17:31 <jas2o> is it always this quiet here?
08:38:29 <crc> it's normally quiet here
08:38:37 <crc> years ago this was a busy channel
08:38:56 <crc> (so was #forth, but that's also become quiet in recent years)
08:39:24 <jas2o> people losing interest in forth? development slowed down?
08:40:18 <crc> I think it's more a factor that most of the people who remain in the forth channels have been there for years. We've worked out our common questions and interests in the past.
08:42:54 <jas2o> so are there still things to be done? or is retroforth 'perfect'?
08:43:37 <crc> there's always more to be done
08:43:54 <crc> retro is organic, it evolves with my needs (and with influences from other users)
08:44:20 <crc> there are typically a new release every few weeks now
08:44:43 <crc> (the most recent one was today)
08:45:07 <jas2o> did you ever find it hard to make a first release?
08:45:45 <crc> when I first started, yes
08:45:57 <crc> since then it's been pretty easy deciding when to package things up for release
08:46:24 * jas2o has yet to know what that is like
08:51:03 <jas2o> one day I will release CMS2o...
08:54:12 <crc> for me documentation is the hardest part of making a release
08:54:45 <jas2o> I haven't even started documentation
08:54:49 <crc> I need to make sure that the docs correspond to the code as closely as possible to avoid confusion, especially as the language may break compatibility with prior releases
08:56:09 <crc> retro has a 50 page manual that comes with it
08:56:46 <crc> plus a couple of text files that explain how to build it and provide a general overview of what retro is
09:00:14 <jas2o> I think I might just use a wiki like environment for documentation, but I'm trying not to think about it too much because when I do, I start writing it, then something major changes and I have to get rid of it all.
09:04:03 <crc> I did that for a long time
09:06:34 <jas2o> after going through a few WYSIWYG editors, liking them, then trying to modify them to work with the "Files Panel", I've actually ended with no editor.Many of those javascript editors seem too complicated for their own good.
09:07:09 <jas2o> I have wasted so many days on them :(
09:09:10 <jas2o> most of the editors which were small (not tinyMCE or FCKeditor) lacked documentation, so finding out what some of the functions did and how to wrap elements around them looked like an impossible task.
09:38:44 <crc> I never found a wysiwyg editor that generated clean html
09:40:20 <jas2o> apparently WYMeditor is supposed to be good, but because I didn't understand why some similar functions would only work in certain sections, I gave up.
09:41:33 <jas2o> Now I'm just using a source code editor, using some javascript to assist the user in adding links and images, and some PHP to fix up p tags.
09:43:42 <jas2o> basic, but at least I can understand it
09:57:11 <jas2o> Brilliant! I've solved my img wrapping problem, I can't believe I didn't think of using a plain textarea and some small bits of javascript earlier!
10:18:30 <jas2o> I better go, it is actually 3:17 AM...
10:20:56 <jas2o> good night/morning crc...
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