00:00:00 --- log: started retro/07.07.01 01:59:00 --- join: Cheery (n=cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #retro 02:07:00 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-173-138.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 02:08:32 crc my tests fails now :( 02:09:31 /bin/sh 02:10:02 : line 1: 1140 segfault error 139 thrown by make. 02:24:07 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:24:28 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 05:18:41 --- nick: rAyS -> nanstm 05:23:09 --- join: rabbitwhite (n=Miranda@c-24-126-60-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined #retro 05:23:56 --- quit: virl ("Verlassend") 05:42:26 --- nick: nanstm -> rAyS 07:36:33 Raystm2, retro9.3 may not work on windows. It might work under cygwin though. 08:51:29 --- quit: Shain (Remote closed the connection) 09:11:39 --- join: Shain (i=steve@adsl-75-30-112-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined #retro 09:16:31 --- quit: rabbitwhite ("New look! 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Same great product.") 14:23:10 --- quit: Cheery (Remote closed the connection) 16:56:50 --- join: rabbitwhite (n=Miranda@c-24-126-60-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined #retro 17:51:59 --- join: foucist (n=wunderwa@bespin.org) joined #retro 17:51:59 --- mode: ChanServ set +o foucist 17:52:04 ping crc 17:55:30 http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php foucist, ever taken this web "test"? 17:56:01 yes, i'm not aspie 17:56:07 cool. 17:56:23 I'm very much so. Tip scales and all. 17:57:08 the simplest indicator of not being aspie is that you can make decent guesses to what a person is thinking/feeling by their body language.. 17:57:09 many programmers are and that's why I asked. 17:58:12 well, that's a bit of a major generalization, and AS won't believe their traits exist in many cases... but sure, I'd take that as a good starting indicator. 17:58:50 i think its kind of like the whole INTP thing 17:58:52 its an illusion 17:59:09 or ADD 17:59:57 in the case of arke, it almost seems like he _wants_ to be an assburger 18:00:03 thats his word for aspie heh 18:00:07 I think that everybody is on the autism spectrum somewhere, I mean, all brains can not possibly be wired identically. 18:00:18 hehe 18:00:19 ya. 18:01:45 i'm not your typical programmer either 18:01:53 i don't program for the sake of programming, its more of a tool to me 18:02:07 i saw the potential of what it could do 18:02:31 but i've been such a major procrastinator in terms of actually programming the tools i want 18:02:48 i'm moving away from programming to an extent 18:03:01 i'll start hiring people to code for me 18:03:11 from weird walking gate ( always on tip toes ) to finger movements and rocking back and forth and locking myself away for years at a time, to studiing one subject to the expence of all other life sustaining tasks.... I'm most definately aspie. 18:03:31 s/gate/gait 18:03:48 that's a great idea. 18:03:53 ty 18:04:12 i definitely will focus on one subject for several months 18:04:17 and focus on nothing else 18:04:28 but unfortunatley i don't apply anything i learn from that 18:04:33 and not even go to the bathroom for hours at a time? 18:04:37 for example i studied day trading for 3 months 18:04:42 nah, not that excessive 18:04:53 <-- eater 18:05:00 i'm truely _that_ excessive. 18:05:22 but then I was majorly abused and lost a parent at a very young age so... 18:05:30 hmm 18:05:34 aspie is more genetic 18:06:12 They are also in my family indeed. Father's brother Bill is aspie. Won't drive, hes a very accomplished chemist. 18:07:07 My children were diagnosed first. 18:07:31 then me many many years later, like a few monthes back and I said NO WAY! 18:07:40 hmm 18:09:03 my kids didn't fit the schools they went too, always got in trouble but were intelligent, I brought them home and taught them here. 18:09:27 so is there any way to reduce the negative aspie traits ? 18:09:47 That's why i didn't believe! 18:10:57 over the years i had always over come some things to get ahead in business. Starting a shy person in a warehouse, I knew if I wanted to make any real money i'd have to sell and I FORCED myself to. 18:11:24 as a kid I recognised my own dyslexia, and compensated. 18:11:53 I've always noticed a diferance and found a compensation. So I didn't believe. I thought That's learning. 18:12:57 It ends up that i'm High on the gifted end because of these compensations. NT Talents they call them. I've learned mine at great expence. 18:13:43 Most likely to please an abuseive stepparent. 18:14:22 * Raystm2 slides soap box back under bed and returns to salad. sorry :) 18:14:45 some reading i did recently via 'the tipping point' and 'freakonomics' seem to indicate that parental factors have no significant impact on the personality of the child 18:15:22 scientists compared adopted children's personalities to the personalities of the parents that raised them 18:15:33 and found that there were no commonalities 18:15:44 that the adopted children had personalities like strangers off the street 18:16:23 do you really think the NT thing is learned? 18:16:32 or is it genetic? 18:16:33 You can't tell me those personalities are not affected by trauma, I won't believe you cuz i know better. 18:16:55 everyone handles trauma differently 18:17:01 I don't think there IS and NT type truely. 18:17:11 you're like "hey i think i'm this way because of this specific trauma" but you could've been a different way 18:17:41 or for a different reason, I appreciate that sure, but still. 18:17:47 i used to analyze my childhood and be like "i'm like this because of this event" etc :P 18:18:20 ya, I stopped that a long time ago, but seem to be looking back again for "answers" hmmm 18:19:31 When did you say the move was? 18:19:54 aiming for august 31 or thereabouts 18:20:02 i don't have the ticket yet, getting the passport & visa sorted first 18:20:26 cool. 18:20:36 Your gonna love it, I sware! 18:20:55 yeah :) 18:21:09 Where will you go first? 18:21:50 moving to chongqing 18:21:56 for at least 3 months i reckon 18:21:58 got a friend there 18:22:19 i might stop over in beijing or shanghai or bangkok or whatever 18:22:24 all depends on the flight iterinary 18:22:37 i'll probably try to stop over somewhere for a week 18:23:20 I so envy you! 18:23:46 I've gotta get one of those "don't tie me down" paychecks. 18:24:06 I mean, Well Done, Sir!. 18:24:15 I remember when you were looking for work. 18:24:24 I think that was you, anyway. 18:29:08 heh 18:29:23 yeah 9 months ago i was poor & in debt 18:29:54 what did you do to turn it all around, if you don't mind the question? 19:02:20 --- quit: rabbitwhite ("New look! 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I got professional moviemaking software, a camcorder, Camtasia screen capture... 22:33:42 I was getting it all for the FolEndar, but In back of mind was thinking of Forth colorForth and Guitar tutorials. 22:33:56 wdyt ? 22:52:03 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 22:52:19 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 23:07:50 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 23:08:04 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 23:18:48 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 23:19:04 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 23:30:57 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 23:31:12 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 23:43:13 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 23:43:26 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM001947482b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/07.07.01