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10:50:07 <crc> merry christmas
10:50:29 <Quartus_> to you and yours, too! :)
10:52:01 <virl> happy christmas, even when it was yesterday for me. :-)
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11:33:08 <virl> well, I red the standard, so what is so earth shattering about that? perhaps that system which implement it are stable, when compared to retro. but I don't see the point why it should represent good design, my opinion that it's not hasn't changed.
11:46:56 <crc> a stable target is normally a good thing
12:17:15 <virl> yes, stability is a good point, but that's the implementation and not the standard.
12:22:47 <virl> because a car isn't automatically safe because it has ABS
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13:29:59 <Raystm2> virl, the standard means I can hire you to write code to the standard. Later, after I fire your butt, I can hire Quartus_ or crc to go back and fix you mess-up and they will be able to read your code because you stuck to a standard. 
13:31:03 <virl> for a language which isn't mainstream and that's the funny part about it.
13:32:56 <Raystm2> That's right. You have a lot of room in the standard to still go off in your own direction. The further you do, the harder it is to go back after much time to fix a problem, or more likely, add a feature.
13:35:46 <Raystm2> Its not really supposed to be 'earth shattering' code. Just a commitee agreement, formalized and published. There will always be problems with such documents. Even the Constitution of the United States has problems and that commitee has been working on that document for over 200 years.
13:36:26 <Raystm2> You'll never make everyone happy, and prob'ly shouldn't.
13:39:24 <virl> and if you try you get a patchwork, now I remember on that fine saying that commitees don't make fine programming languages.
13:41:08 <Raystm2> Too many cooks spoil the sause.
13:41:20 <Quartus_> standard forth is a fine programming language, with many excellent implementations.
13:41:45 <Raystm2> Merry Christmas, Quartus_!
13:42:01 <Quartus_> :)
13:45:39 <virl> he can't let others their opinions, how liberal.
13:47:10 <Quartus_> Have all the opinions you like, virl.
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