00:00:00 --- log: started retro/06.12.23 01:31:31 --- quit: Quartus (Connection timed out) 01:41:10 --- join: Quartus (n=trailer@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 02:04:25 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #retro 06:53:19 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 06:56:08 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 07:59:10 good morning 08:13:43 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #retro 08:32:23 hi crc 08:45:41 --- quit: Shain (Remote closed the connection) 08:58:04 --- join: futhin (n=wunderwa@bespin.org) joined #retro 08:58:04 --- mode: ChanServ set +o futhin 09:03:24 santa claus is here 09:04:02 ok 09:04:06 heh 09:04:10 how are you doing? 09:04:11 how's it going crc? 09:04:13 good 09:04:15 very good :D 09:04:30 flew to vancouver island to spend the holidays with my parents and grandparents 09:04:39 cool 09:05:05 how are you doing? 09:05:34 I'm doing pretty good 09:05:58 how's your wife? recovering? 09:06:09 she's mostly better now 09:06:20 still some minor pain, but she can walk, drive, etc 09:06:28 thats good 09:06:33 in time for the holidays ;) 09:06:36 yup 09:08:07 whats new ? 09:12:43 not much, minor work on toka, building small circuits to control tricolor LEDs, preparing for christmas and inventory next week 09:49:07 what are the tricolor LEDs for ? 09:49:19 just for fun? 11:01:59 they are used in signs, for lighting where you need a particular color, and other such things 11:06:16 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #retro 12:25:58 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 12:47:20 crc: what did you think about THI book 12:48:21 THI book? what's that? 12:49:08 the humane interface by jef raskin 12:50:19 ah.. that's a book which sounds interesting 12:51:20 btw. there was a project which tries to follow his ideas, but what was it called? I can't remember. 12:53:38 arky 12:54:23 no it was archy 12:56:09 right 13:30:44 hmm. I wonder if today's LEDs would make for an attractive, yet cheap ebook-reading pda 13:31:50 sony.com/reader 13:32:43 they're coming out with OLEDs too, O = organic 13:32:56 and they expect to be able to print off sheets of the stuff 13:33:07 in 3 years or so 13:33:40 just print off sheets of it and hang it all over the house and bam, instant monitors/tvs all over heh 13:33:54 sweet 13:35:25 hey they stole my idea for ink-based displays :P 13:37:06 heh they've been working on that stuff for the last 5 years or so 13:37:36 seems like something they should have come up with decades ago 13:39:19 well, I don't see the point why they should be better than books, always the implementation sucked and this seems too, 13:40:06 could certainly be done better 13:40:31 a nice fold-out screen would be cool 13:40:35 virl: well its nice to have thousands of books on the same 'book' 13:40:56 futhin, yeah but that's the only good point about it. 13:41:54 you're quite a hater 13:42:19 futhin: he's sure good at it, isn't he? :) 13:43:35 why books are better: 1) when you hit them at a wall, they continue to work 2) you don't need to fear to damage it's 'display' 3) it doesn't need batteries 4) you can copy contents easily 6) don't need specific interfaces 13:43:53 4? heh 13:43:54 ups, 6 = 5 13:44:18 you use a copy machine.. 13:44:25 you can copy contents easier if its electronic.. the ink-based display don't require any electricity to maintain the current display 13:44:54 the reader from sony.com can run for like a thousand hours off the same batteries i think? i can't remember 13:45:06 and in those devices I think DRM will be implemented or file formats which are specific to suppliers. 13:45:21 that gets cracked 13:45:39 sony.com released an ebook reader in japan a few years ago with DRM 13:45:41 but nobody liked it 13:45:49 so thats why their new reader doesn't ahve that much DRM 13:46:06 it's not the idea of the device, but it's implementation and the fact that there are stupid assholes in companies who want to get richer and richer. 13:46:12 manufacturers really don't give a rats ass about DRM, warez, etc ;) 13:48:13 so I should be a 'hater' or what? 13:48:36 virl: do you have an idea of what would be better? 13:49:09 should it be more book-like? more durable? 13:50:08 DRM-free, obviously :) 13:50:41 yeah well the ebook readers coming out are gonna be mostly DRM-free or crackable 13:50:47 if we could locate the parts, we could make a handheld cheaply and sell it. 13:50:56 thanks to the ingenuity of the OSS culture ;) 13:51:42 yeah, it should be more book like, flexible -> it doesn't breaks when you throw it at a wall, standard interfaces to computer(perhaps USB) and open hardware specs(for fun). 13:52:01 ok. maybe we could make it out of paper. 13:52:36 actually high tensile carbon-fiber is semi-conductive. 13:53:00 so you could make it out of super-paper... 13:53:33 of course, that't not cheap stuff. if we used off-the-shelf stuff we'd come up with something much less durable. 13:54:03 e-paper would be nice 13:54:03 well flexible screens are coming out eventually 13:54:30 yeah e-paper is coming out pretty quick i bet.. 13:54:53 there are already prototypes that are being used 13:55:06 like for advertising displays 13:55:11 --- part: futhin left #retro 13:55:16 in japan 13:58:02 that would be cool to have a display where you don't need to scroll. I think that's a pita, that's why I never really used my palm pda. 14:00:07 hmm, that sounds nice 14:01:18 say have a book-like computer with two displays that fold out, and you press a button or screen area to flip the page 14:14:59 --- quit: neceve (Remote closed the connection) 14:15:44 I think buttons wouldn't be good, perhaps a temperature sensible area 14:16:55 and that the electronic parts make only a small of the system, so that it lifes long and is durable. 15:10:07 o/~o/~ "When I program in forth I touch myself" du ti du to do 15:10:31 What's up my homies! Christmas anybody? 15:10:50 What'dya get me, huh? huh? 15:11:57 So it's nothing? That's what you got me last year! :) 15:16:57 LEg GOdt = play well, in Danish. I did not know that. 15:21:59 christmas is still two days away 15:29:41 ah, you have christmas on the 25th 15:42:53 TWO DAYS? I can't wait two days. 15:43:24 okay 1 day 12 hours, I'll _try_ to wait. 15:44:46 We got an amazing gift from the county this year. 15:45:25 2 + years ago, while between jobs, Nan put in for a grant to continue the work we started on the house. 15:45:58 The inspector came out two days ago, and the county is going to finish the work, amounting to about 20k dineros. 15:47:38 The house is from the 1950s, a test design by Frank Lloyd Wright for single family starter homes. 15:55:22 cool 15:57:28 I very nearly cried, when I heard the news. I never thought we'd be able to get this finished. 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