00:00:00 --- log: started retro/06.12.22 02:02:14 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #retro 02:15:30 --- quit: Quartus_ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:30 --- quit: crc (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:31 --- quit: Cheery (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:33 --- quit: lukeparrish (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:33 --- quit: Quartus (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:33 --- quit: ChanServ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:33 --- quit: Raystm2 (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:33 --- quit: timlarson (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:34 --- quit: skas_wk (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:34 --- quit: nighty (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:34 --- quit: absentia (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:15:35 --- quit: Snoopy42 (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:04:40 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #retro 03:04:40 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #retro 03:04:40 --- join: Quartus (n=trailer@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 03:04:40 --- join: Raystm2 (n=NanRay@adsl-69-149-54-163.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #retro 03:04:40 --- join: timlarson (n=timlarso@user-12l325b.cable.mindspring.com) joined #retro 03:04:40 --- join: lukeparrish (n=docl@74-36-211-202.dr01.hmdl.id.frontiernet.net) joined #retro 03:04:40 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 03:04:50 --- join: skas_wk (n=skas_wk@202.55.146.182) joined #retro 03:04:50 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@66-163-28-100.ip.tor.radiant.net) joined #retro 03:04:50 --- join: absentia (n=scott@ns6.lobodirect.com) joined #retro 03:04:55 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-191-081.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 03:04:55 --- join: crc (n=crc@pdpc/supporter/active/crc) joined #retro 03:04:55 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #retro 03:04:55 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o crc 04:43:29 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #retro 05:52:48 --- join: timlarson_ (n=timlarso@65.116.199.19) joined #retro 06:04:19 --- join: Ray_work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #retro 06:08:18 Good morning. 06:55:50 --- quit: absentia ("Leaving") 06:56:38 --- join: absentia (n=scott@ns6.lobodirect.com) joined #retro 06:59:13 hi absentia. :) 07:09:49 morn' 07:36:56 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #retro 07:40:10 --- nick: Raystm2 -> nanstm 07:48:29 --- quit: tathi ("bbl") 09:15:12 --- quit: Quartus_ ("used jmIrc") 09:18:12 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.2) joined #retro 09:29:13 --- quit: Snoopy42 () 09:39:03 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #retro 12:54:23 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 13:29:02 --- quit: timlarson_ ("Leaving") 13:41:09 good evening 13:41:41 good evening. 13:42:42 hi crc, I hope you aren't so depressed than I am. 13:42:55 why so depressed? 13:44:54 it's Quartus, why do I deserve it to be called an idiot who doesn't know about what he talks. 13:45:50 I make no defense of the fact that I am in idiot. It keeps things simpler that way. 13:46:32 I went to PHP and b!tched 'bout consts in php... I said -- why can't I use a value from a variable when assignig to a const... and people told me (1) you can't assign to a const and (2) I didn't know what a const was. 13:46:59 how is the development of rxforth going on? 13:47:21 what's rxforth? 13:47:31 well, I never bitched about something like that. 13:47:36 rxforth is a development branch off of retroforth 13:48:29 better it's another direction. 13:48:46 I have looked into retro -- have it installed... haven't gone too deep. I looked at the rx documents, again not too deep... I'll look at it more this weekend. 13:48:48 it will not run the ANS layer Quartus wrote for retro 13:49:22 the thing I like best about retro, if memory serves me.. is that it's PD. I applaud that effort. 13:49:26 http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rxforth for the RxForth source 13:49:39 all code I write, other than for contracted stuff, is PD 13:49:44 I use old groups.. can't figure out the new groups interface, yet. 13:49:58 the old one doesn't list the files 13:50:08 http://rxforth.googlegroups.com/web/RxForth_1c.tar.gz?gda=Yg4zqUcAAAACFUXVXO89el2UTqfQYBqFKgo5hhJMjovmPj0kUqQXBxVJVT3hrgKrn_IySc8la3K13zkz7NwFd9r5-hArbgQdI2eKdRR6KzyX2fp8F446PQ 13:50:16 long link... 13:50:18 crc: it's difficult when companies make you sign "whatver yo udo while under contract for us, whether directly for us or not, including that whch you do on your own time -- belongs to us" 13:50:19 :-< 13:50:48 I don't sign things like that 13:51:01 ya. 13:52:11 virl, did I ever send you a copy of Toka? 13:52:58 I think yes, you did. 13:53:08 any progress on that? 13:53:18 YES 13:53:23 sorry for caps 13:53:40 my son is playing, he bumped my hand 13:53:58 I didn't call virl an idiot, in fact. 13:54:39 I'll send the latest source+docs, it has a decompiler ("see"), as well as a couple of new primitives. Also a lot of source cleanups 13:55:32 * absentia likes "see" 13:55:47 in which way do you want to move further? 13:56:16 I am going to backport parts of it into rxforth soon, from there I'm not sure. 13:56:50 it's complete enough now for small tools to be written, though I haven't started callback support in the ffi yet 13:57:33 I did a varient of the RxForth CGI interface for it, as well as porting one of the RxForth examples (the simple "cat" clone) to it 14:00:17 the toka source has been sent 14:16:16 Is it significantly architecturally different from rf? 14:16:27 it's completely different 14:16:55 Still native-code? 14:16:57 no 14:17:06 it's call threaded 14:17:18 meaning subroutine-call threaded? 14:17:40 jsr-style? 14:18:18 essentially direct threaded 14:18:24 ok. 14:19:49 Is it stable? I'd be pleased to work up a standard layer for it. 14:20:03 it's no where near complete enough for that 14:20:13 Fair enough. 14:20:23 :-) 14:20:35 I'll let you know when it is stable enough for that though :) 14:20:43 Ok :) Last one was fun. 14:20:54 is there a url where I can read why this project is -- ie: what's the point? 14:22:03 absentia, toka is primarily a research project for my personal use at this point in time 14:24:01 what I really want to know is why haven't you revisited the rf parsing routines yet ;) 14:25:24 Quartus, changing the parser will require a fair amount of changes in the core, I am working on it, though slowly 14:25:29 is this different from rxcore? 14:25:37 other things (work related) are taking most of my time at present 14:25:40 crc, only half-serious. I know you're a busy guy. 14:25:50 absentia, toka is unrelated to the rx core 14:25:58 There's that minor Windows issue, too. 14:26:50 hard for me to fix since I seldom boot windows 14:27:13 A virtual machine might be useful for you. 14:27:15 ron used to fix the windows problems, since he develops reva now, the windows port is getting a bit stale 14:27:28 I do have VMware, but no copies of windows to activate in it 14:28:03 reva lookslnice. 14:28:10 lotsa libs. 14:28:13 fast. 14:28:15 crc, is it a valid license you lack? 14:28:24 vmware is now free 14:28:29 I mean for Windows. 14:28:32 yes 14:28:57 I may have an honest-to-goodness bought-for-real no-kidding license available, that's going completely unused. I'll let you know. 14:29:03 ok 14:29:28 I have a personal license.. and one from current work -- and I'm even in vmware database several times since my last work used it quite heavily. 14:29:32 but, again, it's free now. 14:29:44 I meant for the OS, absentia. 14:29:48 get vmware server to generate images... 14:29:56 for windows? 14:29:58 :-< 14:30:00 Right. 14:30:11 I have vmware server, I run many OSes in it for testing purposes 14:30:20 awesome. 14:30:34 I should boot colorforth in one. 14:31:06 ok, sicp7a downloaded... weeee 14:38:41 I never got colorforth to run in vmware 14:38:51 :-< 14:38:58 bochs? 14:40:38 with a vesa video bios, yes 14:49:05 lol, it's so specific that even a good virtualisation like vmware can't get it running 14:49:20 :-< 14:49:25 no good 15:07:01 --- quit: Ray_work (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:25:38 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #retro 15:43:58 --- join: Quartus___ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #retro 15:46:47 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:47:01 --- quit: Quartus___ (Client Quit) 15:47:19 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #retro 17:31:23 --- join: Shain (i=steve@c-67-161-56-76.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #retro 18:04:36 --- quit: nighty_ (Remote closed the connection) 19:30:56 --- quit: tathi ("'night all; Merry Christmas!") 21:00:50 --- join: Raystm2 (n=NanRay@adsl-69-149-54-163.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #retro 21:02:53 --- quit: Quartus_ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:02:54 --- quit: lukeparrish (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:02:54 --- quit: Quartus (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:02:54 --- quit: ChanServ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:02:54 --- quit: nanstm (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:02:54 --- quit: timlarson (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:03:11 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #retro 21:03:11 --- join: lukeparrish (n=docl@74-36-211-202.dr01.hmdl.id.frontiernet.net) joined #retro 21:03:11 --- join: Quartus (n=trailer@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 21:03:11 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #retro 21:03:11 --- join: nanstm (n=NanRay@adsl-69-149-54-163.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #retro 21:03:11 --- join: timlarson (n=timlarso@user-12l325b.cable.mindspring.com) joined #retro 21:03:11 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 21:03:15 --- quit: nanstm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/06.12.22