00:00:00 --- log: started retro/06.10.25 01:27:41 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #retro 03:45:53 --- quit: neceve (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04:17:37 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #retro 04:45:33 --- join: neceve_ (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 05:27:10 --- join: erider (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #retro 05:28:13 good morning all 05:28:18 http://www.aswarmofangels.com/ 05:44:00 --- join: timlarson_ (n=timlarso@65.116.199.19) joined #retro 05:44:11 gm timlarson 05:44:40 gm 06:15:09 --- join: Ray_work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #retro 06:16:27 Good morning. 07:06:51 --- quit: neceve_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 07:09:00 --- quit: erider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:11:35 --- join: erider (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #retro 07:16:25 --- join: neceve_ (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 07:30:29 erider, cool 08:05:41 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-155-212.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 08:22:13 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:22:35 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 09:51:11 --- join: Raystm2- (n=NanRay@adsl-69-149-61-49.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #retro 09:56:16 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 10:07:06 --- quit: Shain ("ircII+tkirc2") 10:12:13 --- join: Raystm2 (n=NanRay@adsl-69-149-59-61.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #retro 10:25:11 --- quit: Raystm2- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:29:00 --- nick: Raystm2 -> nanstm 11:31:52 --- join: Ray-work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #retro 11:44:43 --- quit: Ray_work (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:57:57 --- nick: Ray-work -> Ray_work 12:03:41 --- quit: erider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:05:59 --- join: erider (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #retro 13:28:42 --- quit: timlarson_ ("Leaving") 14:15:58 --- quit: erider (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:16:10 --- join: erider_ (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #retro 14:17:10 --- nick: erider_ -> erider 14:41:56 --- join: erider_ (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #retro 14:51:12 --- quit: erider (Connection timed out) 14:57:52 --- quit: Ray_work ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 15:02:01 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:09:29 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 15:12:05 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #retro 15:13:37 --- quit: erider_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:14:08 --- join: erider_ (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #retro 15:17:57 --- nick: erider_ -> erider 15:39:07 --- quit: erider (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:40:45 --- join: erider (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #retro 16:17:00 --- join: futhin (n=wunderwa@bespin.org) joined #retro 16:17:00 --- mode: ChanServ set +o futhin 16:17:33 dudes! check out /usr/bin/env for cgi scripts 16:17:40 for example: http://www.rubycentral.com/book/web.html 16:17:52 it shows how ruby can use /usr/bin/env to do the cgi stuff easy peasy 16:18:04 so that might be a super quick way to get retro working as a cgi/web app 16:19:23 --- nick: nanstm -> Raystm2 16:19:29 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Raystm2 16:20:24 whoa, cool. 16:20:29 Hi futhin. 16:20:33 Hi all. 16:35:07 What exactly is /usr/bin/env supposed to make easier? 16:38:30 well last i checked, retro doesn't have support to access the environment stuff 16:39:20 env doesn't grant it that access. 16:40:06 ah, i made an assumption that it passed that information 16:41:29 getenv does the trick under Gforth. In the absence of that, I suppose you could dump the environment to a file and then call retro, read that file, and proceed from there. 16:41:31 ok, typing env does produce all the environment stuff 16:41:54 so if you do env | retrocgiscript and you have the script parse for the relevant environment stuff, then that would do the trick 16:42:15 so it does in fact make things easier 16:42:58 That would prevent retrocgiscript from reading stdin. 16:44:14 --- join: jeremy_c (n=jeremy_c@cpe-71-74-145-210.neo.res.rr.com) joined #retro 16:44:31 well lets say you have the cgi script as something like #!/usr/bin/env retro 16:44:46 Quartus: Thanks for the offer, but I cannot tonight, hitting deadline on an important task and can't play w/forth right now :-( I'll be playing more with it this weekend. 16:44:46 A CGI script needs to be able to read stdin as well as environment variables. If retro can't read environment variables, you'd need to dump the environment to a temporary file, and somehow let this particular invocation of retro know what that file is. 16:44:52 jeremy_c, ok. 16:45:01 then you'll need some code to parse the stdin to extract the relevant information passed by environment 16:45:07 and then future stdin input can be parsed after that 16:45:21 i mean you only need to read the environment varialbes when loading up 16:45:39 futhin, a pipe wouldn't restore the previous stdin once the env stream was exhausted. You'd need another channel for that. 16:45:50 i guess you could just do #!/usr/bin/retro and then just do a system call for 'env' 16:45:53 to avoid the pipe 16:46:08 Yes, that might work. If you can do a system call, though, you should be able to do a getenv equivalent. 16:47:08 yeah, unless you're lazy about parsing for that 16:47:17 aparrently it doesn't show up in the same place every time 16:47:23 what doesn't? 16:47:40 yeah crc said something about that 16:50:27 about what? 16:50:44 about the env thing 16:56:00 I can't see that env would help in any regard. I don't know why they mention it on that ruby page. 16:56:12 That example works fine with just #!ruby 16:56:14 er, !#ruby 16:58:27 Looking at man env, it appears you can skip the /usr/local/bin/ruby or whatever you might need in a given environment. Several other pages recommend against this practice. 16:59:38 I've done CGI for years without ever giving a thought to launching via env. I didn't even know you could until today. I can't see why you'd want to. 16:59:49 heh 17:00:13 just thought it'd be easier for retro to be used as a cgi script 17:02:56 anyways i'm heading home, laters 17:02:57 --- part: futhin left #retro 17:17:51 --- join: Shain (i=steve@c-67-161-56-76.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #retro 17:29:03 hehe, i'm $0.57 short of purchasing a keyboard for the palm. 17:29:18 they're occasionally quite cheap on ebay 17:29:20 I'll wait till Nan gets home and use her account. 17:29:40 ya, found one for $1.79 on Gizmos 2go 17:30:00 esp. for the vx, the wired ones. 17:30:07 The shipping is rediculous. 17:30:11 12 bucks. 17:30:25 hey ebay wont be 12 bucks to ship, I bet. 17:30:44 Depends on the shipper. 17:30:47 Cost me less to ship the palm AND the call tag. 17:33:19 The vx keyboard is a nice one. 17:38:19 Quartus I guess for now I will just work on my web server locally 17:38:47 erider, I don't know what's slowing you down, but perhaps you can sort it out eventually. 17:39:22 Or just post your stuff on a hosted website somewhere. 17:43:05 Q I have that setup but they done host lisp cgi code 17:43:46 Pair.com has CLISP that can be used for cgi. 17:47:17 thanks Q 17:56:05 99cents 8.99 shipping. that much I got. 17:56:15 Paypall is being ugly to me. 17:56:50 I never have any trouble with it. 18:01:53 I havn't used it in a couple years, so i'm re-establishing the account, and they are taking for ever to allow me in to finish off the transaction. :( 18:02:48 But that's okay, cuz I used to have to parallel park myself. 18:03:27 that last from the lexus commercial where the car parks itself. 18:04:20 Ah. 18:08:09 okay, I've given up for now on the keyboard payment. Time to get back to the palm. 19:07:47 good evening 19:07:56 Hey crc. 19:14:53 Hi crc. 19:15:04 Been busy? 19:16:53 sort of 19:17:14 my wife tripped and broke her ankle right before I got home from work :( 19:17:36 Ow. 19:18:07 that killed the evening 19:18:28 Now you have to fetch her things when she rings the bell. That could go on for weeks. :) 19:18:49 basically, yes 19:18:57 though we have no bell for that 19:19:00 aw, no kidding, sorry crc and Ms. Childers. What is her name? 19:19:07 She needs a bell. 19:19:07 Tammie 19:19:22 I agree 19:19:24 Poor Tammie. How is it now, is it set? 19:19:37 Stupid me, your back from the dr. 19:19:39 yes, though she will have to see a specialist soon 19:24:30 hi crc 19:26:17 hi erider 19:56:35 --- quit: erider ("I don't sleep because sleep is the cousin of death!") 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/06.10.25