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06:11:50 <Ray_work> Good morning, world!
06:12:13 <Cheery> good morning anti-world!
06:12:37 <Ray_work> :)
06:23:43 <lukeparrish> good morning Ray
06:23:59 <Ray_work> hi there lukeparrish. 
06:24:18 <Ray_work> ooh the forth is strong with this Luke.
06:24:22 <lukeparrish> :)
06:26:03 <lukeparrish> : use | the force \ luke ! ;
06:26:53 <Ray_work> :)
06:26:55 <lukeparrish> er, : use | the forth \ luke ! ;
06:27:47 <Cheery> : use | the hat \ luke ! ;
06:27:58 <Ray_work> hehe.
06:28:34 <Cheery> You notice that guy had two suns burning his home planet and he didn't even wore a hat!
06:28:35 <Cheery> :P
06:29:39 <Ray_work> I love it!
06:30:05 <Ray_work> A hat would have contained the heat that his head was trying to expell.
06:31:23 <lukeparrish> hehe
06:32:24 <Cheery> hmm. McDonalds: "I'm loving bunch of hard unhealthy chunk of bread."
06:33:28 <lukeparrish> we just love to see you smile!
06:34:00 <lukeparrish> :) :) :) put a smile on!
06:34:22 <Cheery> Another McDonalds: "I can't writing properly."
06:34:34 * Ray_work had McD's today for breakfast.
06:34:57 * lukeparrish shuts up to avoid offending Ray_work 
06:35:20 <lukeparrish> because we all know McD's is for suckers and all that stuff :P
06:36:23 <lukeparrish> homemade stuff is much healthier and yummier. but so darned inconvenient.
06:36:59 <Ray_work> hehe. you'd have to go pretty far to offend me.
06:37:14 <Cheery> homemade beef without bread baked properly tastes much better than McD hamburger.
06:37:34 <lukeparrish> nyah, nyah, Ray_work eats JUNK FOOD, nyah, nyah!
06:38:01 <Cheery> And McD is still trying to win that match by putting more shit on the poor product. :)
06:38:08 <Cheery> food-microsoft.
06:38:29 <lukeparrish> woah, time to go to work. catch y'all later
06:38:38 <Cheery> ugh!
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13:21:01 <erider> hello
13:22:57 <Cheery> intellasys.net allows registration today.
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14:30:29 <crc> good evening
14:34:02 <Cheery> Hi crc!
14:34:30 * crc glances at his clock
14:34:45 <crc> most of the time when I get home in the evening you are already gone
14:36:40 <Cheery> yeh, I'm up at unusual time without a reason. :)
14:36:54 <Cheery> propably going to sleep soon.
14:38:37 <crc> ok
14:39:08 <crc> I uploaded a newer copy of rxforth 1c last night, it expands on the rxpkg tool a bit 
14:52:33 <Cheery> crc: ok.
14:53:24 <crc> it has a better organization of the metadata for the packages, and can be used to create a package as well
14:53:55 <Cheery> cool.
14:54:50 <crc> in a few more days I should have it handling updates, installing from a local file, and then I'll add BSD support to it
14:54:51 <Cheery> Say, do you have ideas for a machine which would contain memory which is active the whole time, ie. the whole memory is executed all at once.
14:54:52 <Cheery> ?
14:55:38 <crc> hmm... each memory word would be a valid opcode? how to keep code+data separate....
14:56:01 <Cheery> the code would be all the data that is available.
14:56:46 <crc> I'm not sure how to proceed with a model that is as parallel as you would need
14:56:50 <Cheery> each memory word would be a valid opcode and executed at exactly same time. :)
14:57:29 <Cheery> I'm just playing with that idea.
14:58:03 <Cheery> having an automaton system programmable by it's all cells.
14:58:10 <Cheery> *cellular automaton
14:58:34 <crc> ahh, ca is fun
14:58:44 <Cheery> ie. each cell having some simple goal.
15:00:36 <Cheery> the program itself would be a sum of such words with goals, that way, creating a self-executing array of solitons to store run-time information.
15:01:10 <Cheery> one would shoot them into the arena by input cells.
15:02:17 <Cheery> or some other such way.
15:03:39 <Cheery> I think cellular automaton could be the solution for more powerfull computers.
15:04:51 <Cheery> you know ca is working in a relatively simple feedback system.
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15:05:45 <Cheery> How computers are done today is with transistors, but maybe one could yield the physical reality for calculations, therefore removing the 'wireworld' :) 
15:22:40 <lukeparrish> that would be neat
15:22:55 <lukeparrish> you talking about biological cells?
15:24:30 <Cheery> nah, smaller!
15:26:20 <Cheery> HAHA! :D damn flies
15:27:05 <Cheery> One was walking on my TFT, then I started attacking it with a mouse pointer.
15:27:10 <Cheery> guess what it did.
15:27:18 <Cheery> It started following that mouse pointer.
15:28:46 <Cheery> 'smart' pointer
16:05:35 <Raystm2> hi. Smart cells. 
16:05:55 <Raystm2> Cheery, ever since you started the smart cells idea, I've been thinking...
16:06:51 <Raystm2> ... all of mathematics can be reduced to atomic funtions, that when sufficiently combined, can render all of mathematics.
16:07:26 <Raystm2> There is a pecking order to all functions. There is a first function, and there is a next to first function.
16:07:41 <Quartus> Raystm2, that's been tried.  "Principia Mathematica".
16:07:51 <Quartus> They ran into a roadblock.
16:08:09 <Raystm2> So, I will have you compare me to Newton! How dare you, sir! :)
16:08:49 <lukeparrish> it's like a recipe for frustration: have omnipotence within your grasp, but never be able to quite get to it.
16:08:56 <Raystm2> Roadblock? are you aware of any amount of the detail in such a block of the road?
16:09:23 <Quartus> Gödel's incompleteness theorem.
16:09:43 <lukeparrish> that's the trouble. once you stop ignoring the minor details, the roadblocks just get more complicated.
16:10:03 <Raystm2> Dang Go(okay how to make the ouy thingy)del.
16:10:22 <Raystm2> I know I know alt something on the keypad.
16:10:49 <Raystm2> ö :)
16:11:03 <Raystm2> alt 148 I think ö
16:11:06 <Raystm2> yup.
16:12:04 <Raystm2> Some math pro's got a website reducing math to very primitive primitives.
16:13:21 <lukeparrish> I bet those are only primitive because the complexity is moved elsewhere.
16:14:02 <lukeparrish> hmm. now I'm sounding cynical.
16:15:56 <Raystm2> You may be correct. I'm talking completely out of my uniformed anal orifice here. 
16:16:08 <Raystm2> uninformed even.
16:16:39 * lukeparrish wholeheartedly attempts to block the mental image
16:16:51 <Raystm2> I have no real maths above those needed to calculate simple electronics.
16:17:37 <Raystm2> Ticks me off that i've not been able to find a site that can explain all of the symbols used in math.
16:18:05 <Raystm2> Either the descriptions assume that you have some math, or they are not at all available.
16:18:29 <lukeparrish> darn
16:19:00 <lukeparrish> http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci803019,00.html is the first google match for "math symbols"
16:20:17 <lukeparrish> thing about math is there's a lot of hierarchical jargon... you can't understand one set without understanding the previous set.
16:22:39 <Quartus> try mathematical symbols, lukeparrish
16:23:29 <lukeparrish> same first result, but the second is wikipedia's entry on the subject
16:24:13 <Quartus> Right.
16:27:57 <Raystm2> Thanks, guys. Those do nicely.
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16:50:35 <Cheery> What about kicking mathematics' ass and trying reach something along the line of physics and reality?
16:50:47 <Cheery> :)
16:57:19 <Cheery> I'm not interested in solving mathematical problems with super-fancy stuff I can possibly creep up.
16:57:50 <Cheery> oh well.
16:57:52 <Cheery> I'm going to sleep
16:57:54 <lukeparrish> ok
16:58:15 <lukeparrish> I'd like to know the math, but not sure it's interesting to me for it's own sake
16:58:43 <Cheery> There is no point in abstracting into numbers if something more powerful is available for that abstraction.
16:58:58 <lukeparrish> once I get a system figured out, it's interesting. at least, if it corresponds to something real.
16:59:02 <Cheery> good night.
16:59:05 <lukeparrish> gn
16:59:10 <Cheery> see ya tomorrow.
16:59:15 <lukeparrish> bye
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